Mugen Prime 12/MSX3

[oXoreoXo]

hey how much did u all pay for ur cars. i think mine was 300$

http://www.ultimatehobbies.com//p440.html
^^they have it for 250$ now^^

[bigG]

ok thank a lot.


thanx

[oXoreoXo]

hey bigG did u get ur car in? or are u just getting crap ahead of time?

[PaulH]

Associated cars arent cheap (I assume you are talking about the NTC3). If you pay some attention to shaft drive cars with one single shaft, they all use ball diff that require dogbones to come off to adjust the diff. The reason for this is because they have diff cases that cover the diffs. You can look at the trendy single shaft electric cars that is in the market right now. Although they are electric, the drivetrain design is much like that of the NTC3/TC3.

All the race stadium trucks use ball diff too for the adjustability. They also require a dogbone to come off for adjusting the diff. Once again, the diff is enclose in a diff case.

As for super cars, I wont use the term super car but rather competitional cars. The NTC3 is up to the task to be a competitional cars. It won many races just like the serpents and mugens. I am saying this not to side with Associated. In my collection of RC cars, I own a few mugens such as the MRX3 and also an Associated NTC3. The NTC3 is just as good as the other cars out there for its class.

I had an NTC3 and considered it to be cheap, only because it tended to be fragile. Things broke on it much more easily than on my Mugen. Everyone I know who has an NTC3 had to sink a lot more money into upgrades for it to be competitive with the Mugen and Serpent products.

This is just my opinion! :-)

--
Paul

[bigG]

oXoreoXo somteime next week my car should be home i am just make a list of stuff i need and want and at the top of the list is a 2spd tranny and do anyone know a good site to get some fresh a$$ rims for this car i have seeing all hpi rims and i think i want something with black and silver cause those r my 2 favorite color let me know.


thanx

[Temjin006]

I have my NTC3 for close to 2 years, and I havent broke any of my parts yet. And i have alot of crushes n flips.

[oXoreoXo]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34063&item=3192170173&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

bigG PICK THAT SHEIT UP NOW DUDE!!! FIVE FREAKIN BUCKS!! THIS IS FOR YOU bigG

[bigG]

oXoreoXo dude thanK a lot i will have my brother bid on it later today cause i dont have an ebay account.

thanx

[oXoreoXo]

yea no problem man...always willing to help out a fellow mugen owner.

oh yea dont buy those rims that are like red,blue, yellow, chromed style...they break really easily for no reason at all..

[bigG]

k thank i gonna go to my local hobby store and see what styles they have.
oXoreoXo what other upgrades did u do to ur car?

[oXoreoXo]

OFNA exhaust
cant remember filter
HPI fiber disc brake
HPI springs
medial pro tires
some ugly rims
2-speed tranny
HPI aluminum header

thats it...im thinking about getting a new motor sometime soon too. dunno what one though. something better then mt-12(even know its a good motor)

theres some foreign sites that carry the graphite parts and stuff because my rear shock towers are always the first to break. some maybe those next

[bigG]

o ok ur car sounds cool.



thanx

[oXoreoXo]

its ok...right now i have 4 other people with RCs in my court(2 mugen mtx-2s, yokomo gt-4, and some buggy) the only person that can beet me is one of the mtx-2s(they are noobs)

but yea i need a new freakin radio system because the hi-tec one that came with my car SUCKS...but imma send it in soon and they are gonna fix it for free.

[bigG]

o i only have a v-one-r, and some ntc3 to put up with hopefully i will be able to take them. Is the stock remote real bad r ok cause i dont fell like buying a new remote.




thanx

[oXoreoXo]

i got my msx the first week it came out because my LHS owner was tellin me how good of a new comer car it was...the radio just started messing up a few days ago so i dunno. i mean it still is an AM radio so FM is always better

[oXoreoXo]

WELLLLLLLL i thought that my radio was fixed BUTTTTTTT it wasnt and now i have learned a lesson and will be investing in a failsafe

[oXoreoXo]

:mad:

[bigG]

WOOW that sucks my car is schedule to be here thursady and i dont think i am going to drive it with the stock control looks like u lost a shock and ur gonna have to buy a new front peices. Man i am sorry about ur car i wish there was something i could do.


thanx

[oXoreoXo]

yea i lost both front dogbones, front right shock, bent rim, broken bumper, lost air intake. it sucks quite alot but thank god i have 2 LHS that carry parts for my car.

[bigG]

thats good i hope u fix it soon. were u driving with a body?


thanx

[oXoreoXo]

i rarely ever do drive with a body...too lazy to put body pins on ill have i have alot of replacement parts that i need to fix it. only things i need are a control arm and new bumper

[bigG]

o well u should consider taking time and putting on a body cause it probaly would of reduce the damage on ur car.



thanx

[oXoreoXo]

usually it would but the way it hit the corner. it didnt hit on a flat surface, it hit right on a corner.

[bigG]

i got my msx3 today it looks real cool i can't wait to test it just need a few stuff before I run it which i will get at the local hobby store.
will post pics soon just want to paint a body for it first.



thanx

[bigG]

oXoreoXo what kind of fuel do u use for ur car?



thanx

[oXoreoXo]

since i dont really race it i either use 15% or 20% but sometimes just for the hell of it ill buy some 25%.....if i had something better then the mv.12 then i would take better care of it but i beat the hell outta my motor.

congratulations on getting car man. hope to see some nice pics of ur car soon.

[bigG]

yeah i will post pics when i am finish paint this stratus body for it.


thanx

[oXoreoXo]

yea i need to take some new pictures of my car too....ill try to take em tomorrow after work and other stuff.

[bigG]

hey is a few pics i painted the body but it didnt come out good so i wont post those pics.

[bigG]

2.......

[bigG]

3.............

[bigG]

last one is this the remote that messed up on u?



thanx

[oXoreoXo]

i look at that remote and urinate on it. POS killed my car. i should have my car fixed tomorrow...but imma be busy all weekend so i dunno if i will be able to. but seeing those pictures makes me miss having a clean car. makes me think about when i first took it outta the box

[bigG]

some people r telling me that it is an alright remote so i guess i will use it tell i can buy a airtonics. do u know what is the part number for the front drive shaft i need a new on.



thanx

[oXoreoXo]

let me go to my "office" (aka pile of crap) to find em....

[oXoreoXo]

here ya go

[bigG]

dude thank where did u find a diagram like that?



thanx

[bigG]

here a close up of my engine.

[oXoreoXo]

i made the diagram :) because i didnt know how to explain what was what so i just drew it...imma MS paint champion.

BTW. did u pick up that 2-speed off ebay?

[bigG]

nah cause i didnt have my car so if something was to happen and i never got te car i would be stuck with it but i probaly will buy one from an online store or check ebay again.



thanx

[oXoreoXo]

worddd.... so now that u got ur car.. what u gettin first?

[bigG]

hmmm..... i might get an O.S max modified engine a friend is sellig me for cheap. but the engine in the car looks quiet good so i might just keep it for alittle and just ge the 2spd.



thanx

[oXoreoXo]

the mv-12 is suprisingly farely quick. after muchhhhh tunning i finally could somewhat keep up with the mt-12 in my neighbors mtx so i am happy with it. i dont treat it right though so eventually imma get the mt-12

[bigG]

cool is guess i will keep it for a while to see how good it is.


thanx

[oXoreoXo]

hey does anyone know where i can get sway bars or anything else to help the handling of my car??? i finally fixed it and noticed that my car doesnt handle well...

stiffening the springs is always an idea but im not that great at tuning 1/10th scale cars. im more of a 1/1 scale person

[bigG]

hey the mugen msx3 is also called the prime 12 right?

[oXoreoXo]

the msx is a newer version of the prime-12 some parts are similar but most of the important ones arent. there is a post on one of the past pages here that explains what does and doesnt fit

[jamess46]

Just Ran My Msx-2 Today For The First Time. I Love That Car. Bone Stock And It Hooks Like No Other. I Did How Ever Put A Fm Radio In It Though. I Am Getting A 2 Speed For It At My Lhs. They Had To Special Order It From Mugenracing.com. Now If Only I Could Find A Turbo Motor For It.

[bigG]

Wassup welcome to fourms my mugen msx3 is also stock but i am planning on buying a tuned pipe soon, and get a 2spd. I hope u enjoy ur car as much as i like my's.



thanx

[Needler56]

for sway bars use the tamiya ta04 rears (53442). as for the mv12, that thing has some heat. after 10 tanks of mashing it, my pull start cord broke, con-rod snapped, wrist pin cracked, piston chipped, and sleeve wore LOL!! but then again, that was my first engine so i'm sure there were a lot of things i didn't do right.

[eiwoh]

Hi, i have an msx3 and i got an hpi fiber disc brake(for rs4 3) but it's too big and doesn't fit, is there another that fits or do i have to cut this one down?

[Lost Racer1]

shave it down

[Lost Racer1]

for sway bars use the tamiya ta04 rears (53442). as for the mv12, that thing has some heat. after 10 tanks of mashing it, my pull start cord broke, con-rod snapped, wrist pin cracked, piston chipped, and sleeve wore LOL!! but then again, that was my first engine so i'm sure there were a lot of things i didn't do right.

Well said. Another thing to do is keep an eye on ebay..Sometimes parts will pop up. I've been running a Fantom .12 in my prime 12 for the last 2 years..Its still on the original Piston and sleeve..I've run 55% nitro boat fuel with Nitro blast through it for about 10 tanks. ;) I guess I should mention I have a replacement piston and sleeve for it as well just in case :) But with that mixture it flew like a bat outta hell!!

Anyone know where to pick up replacement gears for the 2 speed? I also need the replacement pinions :(..I may pull my car outta retirement for some parking lot fun :)

[Needler56]

Well said. Another thing to do is keep an eye on ebay..Sometimes parts will pop up. I've been running a Fantom .12 in my prime 12 for the last 2 years..Its still on the original Piston and sleeve..I've run 55% nitro boat fuel with Nitro blast through it for about 10 tanks. ;) I guess I should mention I have a replacement piston and sleeve for it as well just in case :) But with that mixture it flew like a bat outta hell!!

Anyone know where to pick up replacement gears for the 2 speed? I also need the replacement pinions :(..I may pull my car outta retirement for some parking lot fun :)

the two places i always seem to find replacement parts in our area are hobbyworld and the concord hobbytowne usa.

[bigG]

I lost my front shaft and can't seem to find a replacement an where so i was thinking if i could just run it at 2wd have anyone tryed this? As I order the replacement shaft but ended up with dogbones does anyone know the right part to get?



thanx

[Lost Racer1]

the two places i always seem to find replacement parts in our area are hobbyworld and the concord hobbytowne usa.

I haven't been to hobby world in a long time..I guess I'll have to checkem out again..they never had parts for the p12 or msx 3 when I was going there :(


bigG- Did you need the drive shaft or the dogbones? 2WD isn't TOO bad but its no the same as 4wd and can be frustrating at times..You'll spin out A LOT!!! If you're missing the dogbones I can search through my old supply.the ends on mine are pobably bent a little, but witha samll ahmme you can straighten them back out..I'll check my box tomorrow.

[Temjin006]

The store I go to stock many msx3 parts. They have alot of dogbones, arms, shock tower, steering knuckle and c hubs. They have alot of mugen parts for msx, mtx, and mrx. If anyone here cant find a part, I can help get them and ship it out.

Hey Lost Racer1, long time no see. I just got a 1/8th mrx3 on road, and I dont have time for my prime 12 anymore because 1/8th is so much faster and the handling is insane.

[bigG]

Lost Racer1 i need the the front drive shaft. I was gonna try and race this week with just 2wd but i guess i better not if its gonna spin out a lot.



thanx

[Lost Racer1]

Hey Temjin- Yeah..I've been off the map for a bit..Put my P12 on the shelf and hoping to be able to get back in it. next time you're at the shop, would you mind looking up 2 speed gear replacements for me? I'd appreciate it. 1/8 scale..that was going to be my next adventure..then financail defeat played a part..haha. So now I'm trying to ease back into it.

bigG- Unless you have EXTREMELY good throttle control, you'll probably end up all over the place. I'd suggest maybe playing with the suspension a bit and try to adjust for rear wheel drive if you really want to try it. Take it out test drive it a bit and see if you can handle it..if not then see about finding that shaft..Have you tried NitroHouse yet?

[Needler56]

temjin - i want to get into 1/8 too, how do you like the mrx? i was thinkin mrx or serpent 950

[bigG]

i guess i play with it for a little and i give ask nitrohouse if they have.



thanx

[frozenpod]

Where do you guys get parts from.

[frozenpod]

Are the msx 3 and the prime 12 the same car are parts interchangeable

[bigG]

the msx3 is the newer version of the prime 12 and most parts r the same.


thanx

[frozenpod]

Thanks bigG where do you get your parts from. There isn't one retailer in my area that sells msx3 or has parts for them.

[frozenpod]

Does anyone know if you can get adjustable sway bars for the msx3 I would also like those arms that attach to the c hubs from the radio deck to stop movement.

[bigG]

i get stuff from here http://www.lightninghobby.com/listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=4305
if u read through this thread u can see most of ur questions have been asked and can tell where to get everything.


thanx

[frozenpod]

thanks bigG I will get back to you on the msx

[frozenpod]

What do you guys use for the header the standard one looks pritty crap!!!

The current car I have two different headers in which I change them to tune with gear ratio to different track to get the best performance. I have found the more torque less rpm header to be better everywhere except from a standstillas I run a higher gear ratio. It is fine for even the slowest corners and with the right gearing pulls an enormas amount of speed.

Which brand type do you use for the msx 3 with MV12

[bigG]

Here is an tune pipe made for the msx3 http://rdlogics.com/store/P_137.htm but i dont know how good it is. It look pretty good though.


thanx

[Needler56]

Here is an tune pipe made for the msx3 http://rdlogics.com/store/P_137.htm but i dont know how good it is. It look pretty good though.


thanx

i have the rear exhaust one, gives a lot of top end. very shiny and it fits kind of close to the center of the chassis, so i had to re-position the fuel tank.

has anyone considered a different fuel tank that sits lower and/or making the steering servo laydown?

[frozenpod]

Different fuel tank yes servo lay down not yet.

I think if you lowered it and used the futuba low center of graatiy servo it would be much better.

[frozenpod]

Pipe and header looks awesome

[frozenpod]

Lay down servo in procces
It can be done just like the kyosho FW05-R

[2mcgrath]

anyone have a front center driveshaft for the car?or do you know of any other cars they would have one that would work

[2mcgrath]

im talking about the msx3

[jamess46]

i wrecked my msx3 the other day and don't know where to get parts. i think its called the steering knuckle.anyway its the right front one. i smacked the wall pretty hard and my wheel fell off along with my fuel tank. the a arms are okay but as for everything including hardware past the a arm is gone. where can i get parts or does antone have any extra parts that they want to get rid of? i have no hobby shop near by to go to so ordering would only be from online. any help would be greatful.

[2mcgrath]

about the only place i have found is lightninghobbies.com or somewhere like that..on the front driveshaft i was looking for i got one from a rs4 3 to work had to shim alittle but it works..i now have 4 wheel drive finanlly...im having trouble finding parts though for it myself thats why im making stuff from other cars work i have no choice much...

[2mcgrath]

anyone have a two speed for the msx3 they wanna part with?? lmk

[bigG]

eeeebay.



thanx

[jamess46]

hey man the part number that you need for the front driveshaft is k0258 try getting it from you lhs.

[jamess46]

i love this car if only i could get the motor tuned right. does anyone know the factory specs for the mv12? i need a good starting point for tuning my car

[frozenpod]

Does anyone know where to get carbon shock towers my car rolled over at about 5km/h and broke the rear shock tower.

[frozenpod]

I have fitted my car with a kyosho V one R tank and JPL tune pipe and hearder. The engine provides heaps or grunt I must admit I'm impressed.

jamess46 as to the tune
Every engine is different the tune is different for everyone everytime you use it even different within the same day, The fuel you use will play a big part in how your engine is tuned.

As for mine the bottem end needel in screwed almost al the way in out about 3/4 of a turn. The top end screwed in 1/2 turn from factory settings. These are approximate. To tune your engine screw the top needel out a lot then tune the bottem end first making sure that the engine will idel and start to rev up cleanly. My engine will sit and idel for 3 4 minutes before stalling. It will splutter a bit after that long ideling but want flood.

Does anyone know if there is supposed to be a head shim there is one in the instructions but there isn't one it the engine. Just checking as I have never run a car without a head shim before.

[bibi]

Hi

I own a prime 12 with some aluminium options, and i'm buying an os cvr for it and a 2speed.
Just wanted to know if the tamiya sway bars for the TA04 were also good for prime 12.
I know someone on this forum said they were good, but he didn t precise if it was for the msx or prime 12.

[frozenpod]

I don't know if they fit the prime 12 but don't buy them!!!! They are useless. I brought them for the msx and they don't do a thing. They really are the wrong shape and the thickest is about 0.8mm which is about half what you would want to run. The the sway bar adjusted as hard as possible the difference was very very small.

I'm currently looking for something else if anybody has found any please let me know.

PS if you want a two speed let me know

[bibi]

ok thanks for the advice !
But let me know if you find any good sway bars for this car.

[Lost Racer1]

Hmm..I need to get replacement spurs for my 2 speed...anyone hae clue as to who might still carry them?

[Temjin006]

Hey LostRacer

I got plenty of 2 speed spur gears....well my LHS does. I can get them for you if you cant get your hands on them from anywhere.

[jamess46]

hey guys just wanted to post real quick before signing off. i got my car tuned right and it is running cherry. to give you guys a little help tune the low needle first. when the car is at operating temp. adjust the low speed needle after adjustment pinch the fuel line. if the car shuts off quickly your too lean. if the car shuts off after five seconds them your good. after 5 seconds or more then your too rich. an engine can run without a head shim but is not recommended. if the shim is removed then the compression in the motor is raised. has anyone found any aluminum parts for the msx 3? i'm still looking. mugen just has a thing for forgetting about the older cars. they don't even have an online manual anymore. hey temjin006 if 7you've got plenty of 2 speed gears then hook me up man you can never have enough spur gears. well gotta go for now.

[Lost Racer1]

Sweet temjin..I'll give you a heads up soon :)

Thanks. :D

[bibi]

Do someone has a 2 speed for less than 50 $ for sale ?

[Needler56]

whats a good clutch set up, can the mtx push type clutch work?

[Lost Racer1]

whats a good clutch set up, can the mtx push type clutch work?
Its been awhile since I've even seen my clutch :p..I'm using HPI's racing clutch. The tunable one..hmm..I think thats right..Maybe its time for a new one..lol..Whats the MTX one like?

[jamess46]

heyb guys horizon hobby still sells parts for the msx3 and the prime 12. i wouldn't bother going directly to mugen for parts. i got a 2 speed for my msx 3 there along with some other factory parts. i still need to find a sway bar for it though. right now i have a heavy weight shock oil in the shocks to keep the car from dipping in the turns or when i stop. anyone have any ideas or suggestions on where to get a sway bar just let me know.

[Lost Racer1]

Keep your eye's on ebay..thats were I got mine 3 years ago :p

[Needler56]

how do you remove the crankshaft and carb for the MT12 engine? the crankshaft spins freely, but does not want to back out. i also noticed some rust on the face of the crankshaft, how do you remove rust? how's everyone's cars running? i tried starting mine, but my starter box gave out.

[Lost Racer1]

It spins freely? is this with or without the clutch nut on? Have you taken it aprt to make sure the pin was still attached in the conrod and not broken? How was your compression before?

[Needler56]

It spins freely? is this with or without the clutch nut on? Have you taken it aprt to make sure the pin was still attached in the conrod and not broken? How was your compression before?

yea i got the crankshaft out. it was pretty rusted so i was suggested to use wd-40 and wipe off the rust with a wire brush and/or use a dremel. i was kind of skeptical about it so i went with some rust remover call "naval jelly."

the first pass took of about 99% of the rust, then i did it again. i guess i did it too much and that it took off a lot of the shine on the crankshaft. now i don't know if that's chrome plating, or just shined metal, but the all the internals of the engine feel as though they move freely and smoothly.

everything still feels tight. is the strength of my crankshaft now reduced?

i haven't ran it yet because my starter box is out and the thread on the crankshaft is ruined. i'm gonna check out tower hobbies for both.

[Lost Racer1]

Never heard of naval jelly before...not sure if its compromised the integrity of the shaft..Probably not. You say the internals feel like they move freely and smoothly?? Is this with the plug in or without? How long have you had the engine? Maybe time for a rebuild?

[Needler56]

Never heard of naval jelly before...not sure if its compromised the integrity of the shaft..Probably not. You say the internals feel like they move freely and smoothly?? Is this with the plug in or without? How long have you had the engine? Maybe time for a rebuild?

yea the internals still feel the same as when i first go the engine. i've had the engine since the first few pages of this thread. i was wondering, does anyone know the dye nut size for the threaded shaft of the crankshaft? or can that be replaced totally? btw, how's your car running lost racer?

[Lost Racer1]

I had the equivalent Novarossi engione before..Unfortunately I don't remember the exact dye size..its been about 3 years :p. My car is still sitting on my entertainment center at home..LOL! It awaiting its new spur gears. I just haven't had much time to work on it. I think I'll pull it out this week..Maybe I'll rebuild my engine too while I'm at it..I'm amazed my little FR12 is still running!! 3 years old..I've run everything from 20% to 55% w/nitro blast through it and it just keeps going..I still have a replacement piston and sleeve to go in it..LOL!! Hopefully I can hit some races this year..I really miss going out :(

[Needler56]

i haven't fully decided, but i'm planning on parting out my msx. the mugen seiki flourine shocks, mugen seiki soft blue springs, mugen seiki hard white springs, front/rear graphite shock towers, and graphite upper deck. pm me if interested.

[PrimeAKF11]

I had the equivalent Novarossi engione before..Unfortunately I don't remember the exact dye size..its been about 3 years :p. My car is still sitting on my entertainment center at home..LOL! It awaiting its new spur gears. I just haven't had much time to work on it. I think I'll pull it out this week..Maybe I'll rebuild my engine too while I'm at it..I'm amazed my little FR12 is still running!! 3 years old..I've run everything from 20% to 55% w/nitro blast through it and it just keeps going..I still have a replacement piston and sleeve to go in it..LOL!! Hopefully I can hit some races this year..I really miss going out :(

hey do you have a newer 2-speed, or the older one? I stripped the spur gears last month (I have the newer one) and got the parts from www.udisco.com. They seem to have lots of Prime12 and MSX-3 parts.

[Lost Racer1]

I have the newer one. I just actually picked up a kit on ebay recently :) Time to rebuild it :). I'm going to check that site out..I've never heard of them before..Thanks

doh. They're outta the spur gears, but did have pinions listed in stock.

[PrimeAKF11]

wow.. I guess the spur gears I got was the last set they had.. :(

finding parts for our cars is just a bitch :(

[Lost Racer1]

bah..I have one set left..if things work out..they should be ok for one more season before the actual retirement. :)

[PrimeAKF11]

Hey LostRacer... I saw that you have SuperTen GP while browsing through the forums...do you know if there is any chance that center shafts from SuperTen(or FW-04) will fit the Prime12? I know the Super 10 is bigger, but they looked similar...

reason I'm asking is because I'm trying to put the viscous coupling unit for Super 10 to MSX. If any 1 of the center shafts length just match or is similar regardless of the position, (SuperTen rear shaft to Prime front shaft, or vice versa...) I'm gonna buy one and see what happens ;)

[pauliothegreat]

hey, i have a msx3, i was wondering, do you guys know of anywhere i can buy parts and hop-ups online for my car that ship to the UK most places ive found dont.


Thanks Paul

[Lost Racer1]

I haven't even dissassembled the Super yet. So I have no clue. :( However, I'll see about trying that out this week. That sounds like a good plan.

paulio-Have you checked with Nitrohouse??

[Needler56]

i've probably asked this before, but what flywheel is everyone using that uses a bumpstart? to double check, can the clutch bell house a three shoe clutch?

[Lost Racer1]

I don't remember the flywheel I have on my car..its been so long..LOL!

[simonp987]

Hi all, just purchased a 2nd hand MSX-3 and was wondering what other clutches will fit this. I saw mention of an HPI one, and was wondering if this fits without modification.

Also I saw stuff about CVDs, did anyone ever find any that fit.

Lastly what about manifolds for a rear exhaust engine to bend round for a side exhuast?

Cheers,

Simon

[PrimeAKF11]

yeah I was bored and thought I'd post some pics of my car :p

http://home.comcast.net/~sa124/msx1.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/~sa124/msx2.jpg



http://home.comcast.net/~sa124/viscous.jpg

last pic is the SuperTen viscous coupler that I managed to fit on the MSX, for more rear-biased AWD performance.

[Lost Racer1]

Have you tried it out yet? How is it handling..I may have to try to find one for both of my cars :)

[simonp987]

Got the MSX3 running eventually after having real trouble getting a good connection on the glow plug. It ran OK, but drove like a bus. I found 1 shock leaking oil, so took it apart to discover no bladder in it. I ordered some new bladders, and then decided to strip all the shocks. all the other 3 were bone dry, and had never had any oil in :eek: .

Needless to say with oil in he car handles much better :) . Having re-set the throttle/brake linkage, and tuned the engine it goes pretty well for the stock engine, although it is a little sluggish at the bottom end and pull away, although I am used to electric, with it's instant delivery from rest.

I notice that there is a lot of play in the suspension, expecially the 'C' hubs, is this normal? My HPI Pro2 has almost no play. Is it worth shimming to get rid of the side-slop on the pins?

So, what is the opinion on the best/first upgrades?

Simon

[PrimeAKF11]

Definitely get the 2 speed for the first upgrade. Since MSX includes ball bearings, nothing is really 'essential' for the use. But in single speed form the car is just slooooooooooow :p

It's always good to shim the suspension down to the point there is almost no play. Weird that your car have them tho. Mine is pretty tight in stock form. Check around the suspension mounts and pins to see if they are bent or out of alignment...

oh btw if you're going to get a 2 speed, get the newer one. I had the old one before and... frankly it's worthless.

[PrimeAKF11]

Have you tried it out yet? How is it handling..I may have to try to find one for both of my cars :)

I only had a chance to run it once after the modification (had to go back to college :( )so I don't know yet, but considering the weight you're adding to the drivetrain, I don't think it's really worth it. It did however decrease some understeer, and I felt the rear end coming around more lively like a rear-wheel drive car.

I'll have to wait test it at a track this summer to see how it goes .. :)

[Lost Racer1]

Well.. I decided..I'm pulling my car out of retirement. I tore most of it down last night, replaced bearings and rebuilt my 2 speed. And my Fantom Engine from 3 years ago still has AWSOME compression!! Its unfreakin believable!! I've run so much through this engine its ridiculous..I've run up to 55% nitro w/ Nitro blast through this engine and it just won't stop!! 55% is boat fuel BTW. Yeah it ran hot but insanely fast.I still have the spare piston and sleeve I bought brand new for 3 years ago as well..:) Wow I can't wait for the weather to stabilize :)

[Lost Racer1]

Anyone try The Carbon Brake disc by GPM? IS it worth it?? Or should I just try to find a stock to replace with? The inner hole to my stock one has been rounded out...:( I need brakes

[impactus]

can enyone help me on a partlist of a impact 1, I lost it somwhere whit moving.
has enyone this for me please.
manny thanks.

[Needler56]

Anyone try The Carbon Brake disc by GPM? IS it worth it?? Or should I just try to find a stock to replace with? The inner hole to my stock one has been rounded out...:( I need brakes

yea i need brakes too, my stock plastic one for my msx is warped causing a lot of drag. i was searchin around tower and there are some disc brakes that look similar to ours. anyone try fiddling with other brakes that are similar in size? also, are you guys having problems with rubbing on the inner rim from hinge pins i believe (the pin that holds the upright to the a-arm) in the front when turning?

[Lost Racer1]

Yes!! I have that same problem with one side though..What size rims are you using, 26mm or 24mm..I found the 24's work VERY well on our cars. Where have yo ubeen running your car?? I may have to come down there so we can run one of these days :)

impactus: Isn't that a Serpent car?? Have you tried googling it?

[Lost Racer1]

can enyone help me on a partlist of a impact 1, I lost it somwhere whit moving.
has enyone this for me please.
manny thanks.

Check http://www.mytsn.com I don't konw too much about hte serpent line, so Iwasn't aware if you had the M2 model or not..but htas what they have listed now..plus you could probably shoot them an email to request a parts list.

Good Luck.

[Temjin006]

I think I have a few sets of the mugen fiber disc brakes. Each set comes with two.

[Temjin006]

The discs i have are for MSX and if you want to use them on the prime12, you will need to use the drive cup and mid shaft from the msx too.

[Lost Racer1]

The discs i have are for MSX and if you want to use them on the prime12, you will need to use the drive cup and mid shaft from the msx too.

Where do you get parts for the msx?

[Needler56]

i haven't ran my car ina while, but when i do, i want to get rid of all the drag. i don't run at any tracks or anything, just bashing

[Lost Racer1]

i haven't ran my car ina while, but when i do, i want to get rid of all the drag. i don't run at any tracks or anything, just bashing

Yeah me too. Do you have a particular spot you run it? We use to take them to Cupertino Jr. High and run them there..good fun :)


So do the carbon discs just last longer than the plastic ones? OR do they actually serve a purpose??

[Needler56]

yea when i used to live in the east bay, i'd just run in front of my house. i've just recently moved to the southbay and haven't had a chance to run the car. hows the pavement like at cupertino high? as for the disc brakes, i was planning on having someone from the manufacturing deparment at my school stamp me out a few metal pieces.

[impactus]

Yes!! I have that same problem with one side though..What size rims are you using, 26mm or 24mm..I found the 24's work VERY well on our cars. Where have yo ubeen running your car?? I may have to come down there so we can run one of these days :)

impactus: Isn't that a Serpent car?? Have you tried googling it?

yes it's a serpent en in google its not to get.
whit tsn its not any more on the site but I think im going to e-mail them.
or is there enyone whit the same car who can help me?

[Lost Racer1]

yea when i used to live in the east bay, i'd just run in front of my house. i've just recently moved to the southbay and haven't had a chance to run the car. hows the pavement like at cupertino high? as for the disc brakes, i was planning on having someone from the manufacturing deparment at my school stamp me out a few metal pieces.

Cupertino High I havne't been too since 1996 (not attending) But the Jr. high had some pretty smooth pavement..a few dips here and there but nothing to catch you up...its been about 4 years since I've run there...

[Needler56]

i think its the lightrail parking lot off capitol expwy off 87, but seems like theres never cars there and it looks real clean and has turns. and you can be as noisy as you want its right off the freeway lol

[Lost Racer1]

hmm..I may have to check it out :) Sounds like a good place. Cops never harass you?

[Temjin006]

I get them from my friend's small hobby shop.

[Needler56]

hmm..I may have to check it out :) Sounds like a good place. Cops never harass you?

i've actually never gone there, i pass by it all the time, never seems to be anyone there on the weekends. btw, has anyone changed around the gearing?

[Lost Racer1]

I bought an hpi 2 speed gear set..but you need to grind offa knub for it to fit properly..I haven't had the time lately..but I may soon.

[Needler56]

I bought an hpi 2 speed gear set..but you need to grind offa knub for it to fit properly..I haven't had the time lately..but I may soon.

hpi 2speed gear set for rs4 3?

[Lost Racer1]

hmm...I don't think so..I think it was just before the rs4 3 came out..I us to a own an HPI Super and I used the clutchbell and gears from it on my P12..It worked great! I was hoping the spur gears would be just as adaptable..apparently not. :) I'm haven't tried the rs4 3's yet..That may come up soon.

[Needler56]

is the rs4-3 disc brake too thick or too big in diameter?

[Temjin006]

hpi brake discs are thicker. however, you should be able to loosen up the brake pad/plates to use the thicker hpi disc.

[Needler56]

oh ok, i thought that maybe that they were too thick that the upper chassis plate had no room for it. who makes an aftermarket metal disc brake for the rs4? (i'm gonna ask the same question on their board right now)

[mugenpower89]

Hey every1, MSX3 rocks. best car eva. my msx is about two years old and its still quick as. i havnt modified my car too much cause im a poor teenager at the moment but it has a two speed box, engine pullstart, airfilter, carbonfiber disk, proline foam mounted rims, kyosho lowered center of gravity fuel tank, carbon fiber radio tray and full futaba radio system. its goes pretty quick only cost me about $200 in upgrades. does ne1 know if you can just change the shock bodies over to threaded 1's or do i need to build up sum new ones???

[Lost Racer1]

You should be able to use like HPI's threaded shock bodies on it.. I have GPM's on mine

[Temjin006]

Mugen has a fiber disc for the msx.

[mugenpower89]

You should be able to use like HPI's threaded shock bodies on it.. I have GPM's on mine

i just got a new hpi fuel tank i cracked my otha 1. um so yeah just like rip apart my shocks and change the bodies over??? will any threaded shocks do the job cause i can pick up a set for $40 and does any spring fit any body??. and yeh mugen have a carbon disk comes in a pack of 2 for $25 but im australian lol

[Lost Racer1]

I have the HPI Racer tank on mine..you should be able to move the items over easily.

[Needler56]

its been great, i've learned alot from this car, but i have decided to part it out. thanks for everyones help!

[brc358]

Mugen MSX3 Anyone have an extra battery receiver cover for sale? I just picked up a used car in excellent condtion, but it needs the receiver cover.
My e-mail is brc5550@sbcglobal.net
Thanks BRC

[brc358]

its been great, i've learned alot from this car, but i have decided to part it out. thanks for everyones help!


Would you be inerested in selling the battery/receiver box?
Thanks, brc5550@sbcglobal.net

[brc358]

M S X 3 Looking to buy 2 speed for M S X 3. Also looking for battery/receiver box.
My e-mail is brc5550@sbcglobal.net thanks BRC

[PrimeAKF11]

Hey LostRacer, did the clutch bells and pinions fit into p12 w/out any modifications? I got a race coming up this sunday and my gearing is too short for the track... :o

[Lost Racer1]

the bell did..I haven't had the chance to try the spurs yet.

Crap..just noticed the date..sorry :(

[PrimeAKF11]

haha :D no need to be... my receiver battery wire got unplugged during the practice lap and I never got a chance to race anyways..

Has anyone tried fitting engines with SG Crankshafts into MSX or Prime12 with any successes?

[Lost Racer1]

I did with an MT12 at one point...but I changed the shaft to standard. I think the SG was too short..Its been about 3 years since I tried that :p

Keep a spare charged RX pack and a soldering iron in your pit case ;) they come in handy :D

[PrimeAKF11]

just a bump to keep the thread in the first page... :p

BTW, what kind of foam tires/shore rating do you guys use ?

[Temjin006]

Take Off foams. 40 shore 26mm front and 37 shor 30 mm rear.

[PrimeAKF11]

Take Off foams. 40 shore 26mm front and 37 shor 30 mm rear.

Were there any problems putting 30mm on rear? I tried using jaco 30mm on the rear but inside of the rim kept rubbing against the ball cup of the rear shocks and I had to use 28mm on the back too. That was with 0 degree offset.

[Temjin006]

nope i didnt have this problem with 30mm.

[PrimeAKF11]

It seems like http://www.quicktechhobby.com is still stocked with Prime12/MSX3 parts, in case any of you are having hard problems getting parts..

[Lost Racer1]

Good find Prime..I wonder how much life is left in these things..lol!!!

[brc358]

Mugen MSX3 If anyone is looking for parts for these cars, Tonys Hobbies in La Puente Ca. has a good selection. I needed a complete two speed,spur gear set-up, and he hooked me right up. Tony is also great guy to help you if you need anything.

[Lost Racer1]

Mugen MSX3 If anyone is looking for parts for these cars, Tonys Hobbies in La Puente Ca. has a good selection. I needed a complete two speed,spur gear set-up, and he hooked me right up. Tony is also great guy to help you if you need anything.

Is that down south? I'm in NorCal..Does he do web sales? :)

[brc358]

Is that down south? I'm in NorCal..Does he do web sales? :)
I am not sure if he has a web site or not, but his phone number is 626-915 5290

hope this helps

[PrimeAKF11]

just got a new O.S. 12TZ 3 port on my MSX-3 :) I'll break it in on this car but plan on retiring it before the season since it seems like the parts are discontinued :( anyone know where I can find parts?

[brc358]

just got a new O.S. 12TZ 3 port on my MSX-3 :) I'll break it in on this car but plan on retiring it before the season since it seems like the parts are discontinued :( anyone know where I can find parts?

Look at the post right above this one

[Lost Racer1]

yeah..its a sad sad day for the Prime 12..

[Temjin006]

I might be selling my prime 12. It has aluminum front/rear arms, aluminum frt/rr knuckles, aluminum front diff case, aluminum front/rr shock towers, alum shocks, carbon fiber radio plate, countersunk chassis, hpi gas tank, rd logic turbo pipe, mugen fiber brake disc, light weight fly wheel, and a fantom 12 engine. If anyone is interested, I can post some pictures. The car comes with a new white HPI Honda Integra body and gold rims (Type R style) mated to HPI drift tires.

[Lost Racer1]

What are you asking on it Temjin? Would you mind sending me some pics? Lostracer@gmail.com

thanks

[arthur_rc]

I might be parting out my prime 12. So ask me for any used parts.
I have some new parts as well including the 2-speed. Also I can sell some aluminium parts like the suspension arms, the chassis, the central arms that holds the spurgears. (these are used but in excellent shape)
I have a nice front bumper that I did myself which is way larger that the original.

I can take pics if you like. I can sell lots or the entire car as well.
I loved my prime 12, but now it s becoming hard to race it as the parts support is lacking.

I also have a OS .12 CV-R with an RD logic pipe that I might sell if anyone has an offer. I used less than half a gallon on it.

Arthur

[hotbeehobby]

does anyone have a user manual of this car?? please pm me if you have got one. many thanks

[carmadmatt]

Hi,
First off, Sorry to bring back such an old thread. What I'd like to know is does anyone still have a Mugen Prime 12? I have recently purchased an unused example and am in the process of having a few custom-made carbon-fibre parts commisioned. The more orders I can secure the better the price will be. For anymore info or if you are interested in purchasing these parts, please email me at: carmadmatt_92@hotmail.com

Cheers
Matt

[Lost Racer1]

I still have mine suprisingly. I can't find any place to race it now :(

[carmadmatt]

Wow someone else has a Prime 12!! I may be getting a Carbon Fibre chassis and a few other parts made up, would you be interested? With the pound getting weaker, the price will end up being quite reasonable for you I'm guessing being on the other side of the pond! What hop-ups do you have on yours? I have a set of UJ's on the rear but thats about it, apart from the motor which is a Dynamite 12s.

Matt

[Lost Racer1]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/lostracer23/shaft%20driven/DSC00268.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/lostracer23/shaft%20driven/DSC00264.jpg

Until I pull the beast off the shelf again I couldn't guess all fo the hop ups..lol. They ma still be here within the first 5 pages of this thread..lol

Let me know how much for a chassis. I may be intereested,