what is a good buggy

[tc3hick]

i have a tc3, and now i want a buggy.is that kyosho ultima any good because i think i might buy that or a yokomo dog fighter

[JoeTheShmoe]

A B3 isnt too bad. The ultima looks just like it, but i havent tried an ultima, but can say that a B3 is a pretty good buggy.

[backyardT3]

tc3hick, the B3 is a beautifully crafted piece of art. It is like a, rc car lovers dream. How it floats over the jumps, superizes everybody with its speed. It is truely the proper buggy for anybody in their right mine. I have the T3 and B3 and am found wrapping large amounts of foam around my car and body. That was a joke, well sorta, i love both my cars.

Garrett

[Oyster]

I've narrowed my choice down to the XXX or the B3. Not that there were any others to eliminate. http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/smile.gif Anyway, after doing many hours of research on both cars, (without actually holding or driving them) I've found they both have good and bad points.

You can get the FTB3 for 205 or so. Full graphite, and some titanium. MIP bones... You also get blue parts with it. (they'd look good bead blasted and polished)

The XXX is a little cheaper than the B3, at around 190. But, you don't get graphite parts. No titanium. No MIP's, but Losi has never had a drive shaft problem that I know of.

It all matters what you want I guess. When I look to buy, I look to see how much it will be to get the parts I want to make it bulletproof. ALSO, what parts can I lighten? Is the car worthy of taking the mods? So far, both cars are up for the challenge.

Which is better? Matters on how good YOU are as a mechanic and driver. Also matters on what you'll do with it.

Bad points? They are certainly few. I dislike the kingpin ballstud on the B3. The Losi rear pivot block is weak. It's little things.

AE still uses "Unobtanium" for a selling buzz word. That's a bad point too. http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/smile.gif It's a made up word that means NOTHING!

Losi parts are a little harder to find for some... now that they've sold their company to Horizon Hobby.

I personally think it's a cointoss. When it comes down to it, I'll probably just say "heads AE, tails Losi..." Both cars look like winners. The Losi has more factory racers, but AE's are still keeping up and TQing against the Losi's, so... they are both pretty even.

Did I babble enough?

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[BadRacer]

Hey Oyster you are totaly right!

I also see Losi and AE as more of a driving style instead of just a company. Both companys are have alot of track records and so on. You just have to find which one you think would be best for you...instead of the whole LOSI RULZ and Associated is the BEST and so on. I really dis like the ppl that go around saying this stuff (iv done my share) http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/biggrin.gif But if it wasn't for these ppl getting so caught up in the whole R/C hobby then it would not be very popular.

I was also reading this other post about how can we make the R/C hobby more popular.... forget about making it more popular..just look at it like a CLUB spread all across the world! I feel prevliged that i stumbled across this hobby and thank my friends and family everyday.

Just pick a buggy that you like and don't get caught up in the hype about ONE buggy...look into what your looking for. Its not all that hard to pick.

Losi Rulz <~~~see i told ya
BadRacer

[B3 Bomb]

I have a FT B3 and I like it a lot. At my track out of the box it was not the best but after I got it set up right and it is the best buggy I have ever owned. On jumps they are stable on and off they have plenty steering and tuning options. From a durability standpoint from what I have seen the b3 out lasts the xxx in the novice class where I race.
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[Bobo Da Hobo]

i have a B3 and wouldn't trade it. it handles on and offroad with ease and floats over jumps. http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Fergy]

tc3hick, I'm still interested in your original question. Anyone out there have experience with the Kyosho EP Ultima Type R buggy? It's about the same price as a Team B3.

[stormperson]

before we start another flame war... i will leave out the xxx.

its pretty much a different version of the b3 without the aftermarket support.

honestly, unless you have some desire to be different, unable to get replacement parts, hop ups, then i would go with it.

kyosho and AE do put effort into their 1/10 offroad programs. a gt won the reedy truck race, after kinwald's ENGINE (note its not a losi part) died with 5 minutes to go, note that he was 2 laps ahead.

however, i will agree, that kyosh does put alot more energy into their 1/8 program, and AE is concentrating on the tc3.

but basic, box stock FT b3 will beat out a box stock xxx, in durability, however once the losi has some more parts, it will be bettter.

its like you can get a cheaper 1/8 buggy, however if you want to really win then you get the kyosho interenational version.

its better, but you will defently pay for it being better, and with those hop ups, it will be more durable, however its handling and that stuff is pretty much the same.

and i would like to point something out, a novice class is not the way to judge a car. in that class, the driver makes the car, meaning that, its not speed, but consistancy that matters, and you can get that from the driver.

if you are talking about the A main and everyone is on the same lap the whole race, then the car is really making the difference.

[Fergy]

Stormperson, thanks for answering the question http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/wink.gif

[stormperson]

any time.

but just a note, i think that this is the 5th topic with the same purpose we have had this WEEK!

[tc3hick]

what about the yokomo

[malliman]

i like the b3 it is one of the best cars i have seen but get ballbarins

[tc3hick]

does anyone have any experience on the yokomo mr4-bc?

[prime]

I have one. I just built it and I created an entire posting about my expirience on Yokomo USA's forum. It's done now and ready to go. I'll post some pictures of it if anyone is interested.

Here's the link to the post:

<a href="http://www.yokomousa.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000010.html">My MR4-BC Expirience</a>

[Fergy]

Yokomo sounds like an experience I don't want to have.

[stormperson]

ya, and just a suggestions about 4wd buggies.

they are touring cars, with bigger shocks, but if you see them drive its pathetic almost. its a struggle to get around the track.

but if you want one, then i would wait, the worlds are coming up, and hopfeully AE will get out their buggy, which should be a nice sight to see,i know i will be defently coverting my rally converted tc3 into a buggy, if they come out with one. or a upgrade kit for one.

[TC3~Racer]

", and hopefully AE will get out their buggy, which should be a nice sight to see,I know I will be definitely converting my rally converted tc3 into a buggy, "
AE has said on there tc3 msg board that they do not "convert" cars because everyone thought that the should because of the success of the TC3. So I think that if they do come out with a 4wd buggy it will be, for the most part a new design. Just my thought.

[Fergy]

Well stormperson, Oyster, I too have given a lot of thought about what buggy to get. I desided I really want the b3. But, being stationed over here in Japan, makes the Kyosho more availuable, less expensive and I would be able to get parts. In order to get a b3 I'd have to order it and any future parts from the states. I'll just have to wait till I get back for a b3.

Oyster enjoy that xxx! http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/smile.gif

[prime]

stormperson,

If you mean to say that touring cars came before 4wd, you're mistaken. 4wd offroad evolution has made RC cars what they are today in terms of technology. The best example is belt drive. Schumacher Cat and Optima Mid where the first RC cars to use belt drive successfully.

I don't know about on-road, but off-road, there's nothing as agile and fast as a 4wd buggy.

[Dai-Evolution]

I have a Tamiya 4WD buggy called TOP-FORCE Evolution, it's not on par with today's buggies like Team associated or Yokomo, but it is the best 4WD buggy Tamiya ever produced, and I think most of you here are not familiar with this buggy.

[atariT3]

I would say the B3. That thing is a wonderful car. I have an original RC-10 and my friend bought a nice pro-raced B3. Whatever I did I couldn't drive as fast as he could, even though I beat him all the time When we race trucks. I got a chance to get one and do what I wanted to it and I gotta say that thing is a very good handling car. The Kyosho is a rip-off of the B3. Losi's nice but they designed it leaning more towards the truck design. The B3 was designed to be a buggy. A plus is that you won't need different tools if you get a B3 because you already have the tools from the TC3. Good luck.

[Fergy]

Dai-Evolution, I have a Tamiya Baja Champ which started out a cheap piece in the box, but I added bearings, oil shocks, TO motor, Futaba ESC, 2400 battery and HPI low profile monster truck wheels to the rear end. It's now my favorite toy. On black top it's fast but as mentioned earlier, it pretty much ***** turning wise. But I agree with you here, off road (with it's Dirt Hawgs http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/wink.gif ) it's off the hook!

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[Fergy]

Dai-Evolution, e-mail me a pic of your Top Force, I'd like to see it. My Baja Champ is shaft driven 4WD, what's the Top Force?

[Dai-Evolution]

My TOP-FORCE is shaft driven too, I might just go for the Baja-Champ next because I love the new chasis design on it, unlike previous Tamiya cars.
look at it this way.

Tamiya have basic designs and can use some spare parts from other cars for the TFe.

-Manta Ray = Terra Conqueror = TOP-FORCE (regular) = TOP-FORCE EVolution
-Dirt Thrasher = same thing with the Manta Ray since it is basically the same design.

The TOP-FORCE is an out of production car and is certainly out of stock here, but I had the right materials and hop ups ( including a TOP-FORCE body ) to convert my Dirt Thrasher into the TOP-FORCE EVolution, so it is basically a TFe and not a DT 4WD Buggy.

I will take a picture of it soon, when I get it I will post it on this board.

[Garwin]

losixxxt45 please shut up and stop being so biased! I am also considering on either getting a factory team b3 or a xxx. I am leaning on to the b3 because it has all the hop ups straight out the box and the xxx will just cost so much more to get the same hop ups that the factory team already has! Plus, Im planning on getting robinson racing's top shaft to replace the "stock" top shaft for the b3 which must make it even more sweeter! I want to know when the worlds will come up... I would be so ****** if AE releases a B4 1 or 2 months after I get a factory team B3!!! Keep this thread up!!!

[Garwin]

BTW, whichever one I choose, it would be my first buggy!

[Garwin]

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[prime]

Er, you might consider removing about 3 or 4 of these duplicate posts.