Getting a new Touring Car (Need Opinions Please)

[newbie816]

Ok so basically I am looking to get a new 1/10 scale touring car. I am looking towards more of the high end one's like Associated's Factory Team TC4, Also I have seen that they are coming out with the TC5 soon like in april or may I believe. Also the X-Ray T2 007 seems to be pretty good. But I am up for any suggestions on them so please post your opinions and pro's and con's etc.

[Jayboy]

The x-ray and the associated are both awesome cars apparently. You could try something like a Tamiya TB EVO, or TRF too....

[SCHMACH]

you could try the robotronics avid or wait for the losi jrxs-r or schumacher mi3

[newbie816]

ok but which one do you guy's think is the best?

[loopy]

Which one people think best is usually influenced by what they run.

I have the yokomo BD, trf415 msx and both are beautifully built kits.
I also run the tamiya TA05 and for a person on a budget it is very hard to beat.
I race against guys with Xrays and Hot Bodies cyclones and they are a great kit too.

The only one in your list I dont like is the TC4. I figure if the top drivers cant make it work then its not much use to us mere mortals.

At the end of the day it should come down to parts availability in your area or online, who runs it at your track (can you get setup help) and personal preference.

There is no quintessential BEST car. I do think the new TC5 and Mi3 may be worth the wait though.

[Demon-TC3]

TC4 All the way :P

Hehe if your a competative racer on abudjet i think the TC5 should be nice...Xrays and Tamiyas are nice cars (allot of them at my track) BUT Tamiyas have some seriouse part support problems and Xrays have some seriouse pricing issues (one single hub for an Xray cost the same as a hub set (two front and two rear) of AE parts...so i went for a AE tc4 for this season.

[ErikRC10]

If you want high end here are some options:
AE TC5*
Xray T2 007 (or even just the T2)
Hot Bodies Cyclone Moore Edition
Shumacher Mi3*
Corally Phi*
Tamiya TRF 415 MSXX
Robitronics Avid
Kyosho TF-5 Stallion
Losi JRXS Type R*
*these cars have not been released yet but are scheduled to be released soon.

Demon TC3, why do you say if you are on a budjet get the TC5? If you are on a budjet the car you would want is a T2R or Cyclone S. I think I see what you are saying because it is the cheapest out of the bunch but it's by no means a budjet car. Personally I think the TC5 will be my next car but that's mostly because I'm a diehard AE guy and I can probably get parts easier then the others.

[newbie816]

Ok so basically also I am thinking about making the switch over to Lipo Batteries because they have quite a bit of upside to using them. More Specifically The Team Orion Lipo's like the 4800 Platinum Edition or the 3200 Carbon Edition. So I guess my question is which of these car's best fit these batteries without to much modifications needed to make them fit.

At this point I have figured out that the 3200 needs some grinding to fit the X-Ray T2 007's. But the 4800 fits the EU version with the exception you need to tape it down to keep it in place. But it does not fit the US version. So I guess my question is what are the pro's and cons of each versions. Thanks for your guy's help it's much appreciated.

[ErikRC10]

I haven't heard about modifying the case of the lipo (sounds kind of scary to me lol) but I have heard of modifying the bulkhead because it is in the shape of a sub c cell. If you want to wait the Losi JRXS Type R has the battery down the middle so the balance will be the best and no mods needed.

[newbie816]

I haven't heard about modifying the case of the lipo (sounds kind of scary to me lol) but I have heard of modifying the bulkhead because it is in the shape of a sub c cell. If you want to wait the Losi JRXS Type R has the battery down the middle so the balance will be the best and no mods needed.

Yeah I have heard that to but someone just did something to the case and made it fit that way.

[Demon-TC3]

Demon TC3, why do you say if you are on a budjet get the TC5? If you are on a budjet the car you would want is a T2R or Cyclone S. I think I see what you are saying because it is the cheapest out of the bunch but it's by no means a budjet car. Personally I think the TC5 will be my next car but that's mostly because I'm a diehard AE guy and I can probably get parts easier then the others.[/QUOTE]


Your right sorry to mislead, the TC5 isnt a "cheap" car as i may have lead on, BUT its not overpriced like Xrays are...i am another Die hard AE guy and after the experiance of both TC3 and TC4 i know what im buying and can say i trust AE...
Another thing i like is that parts are available anywhere and everywhere and the parts are priced Very well...Compared to Xray parts that are ludicrously over priced!

[newbie816]

Alright I have made my decision and I am going to go with the X-Ray T2 007 Rubber Edition. Because I just read the test on it and it seems terrific for what I do which is mainly race on asphalt. Also X-Ray is coming out with a conversion kit so I can get that and make it pretty versatile for both asphalt and Carpet. Granted their would be some work to go back in forth but that really doesn't bother me. So by next weekend I should have the kit and started building on it.

Now my next question is what 19T motor is the best for touring cars?

[Demon-TC3]

Just to give u a small heads up, check the prices of parts before buying one and compare it with AE parts...Im not questioning the quality of Xray cars as they are very very good quality...but for me the prices are a little high.

[newbie816]

Yeah I already checked the prices their a little bit more than the Associated. But the problem with the Associated at least for right now is actually finding a Factory Team TC4 to buy. It seems their is just no more of them anymore. The TC5 doesn't come out for another couple month's I believe. I might just wait until all the new cars are out (TC5 and JRXS-Type R) and see how they are until I decide on which one I am going to get. Thanks

[Demon-TC3]

If you want a FT TC4, give AE a ring, they may have one or two left in stock...worth a try...

Personally i bought my FT TC4 about 2 or 3 months ago now before i was aware of the TC5 release date...not regreting it or anything as i love it...also im more of a shaft drive person...

As for right now...who knows...i know my next car is an AE TC5..but not for a year or so :P

good luck with the buy!

[newbie816]

As of right now I'm leaning towards the JRXS-R because it will easily fit Lipo's no problem. But also I like their design with putting the batteries in the middle of the car. Because it really balances the chassis out and should make it corner like a dream. So right now I am really liking the idea of the Losi. But I am going to wait until I have read about all the cars (TC5,JRXS-R, MI3) to see their plusses and minuses.

[ErikRC10]

I would say for a 19T motor I would go with a Trinity Komodo, or if you want and your track allows it Novaks new SS10.5 Pro, or again if you want to wait Orion is suppose to release a brushless 19t also. From what I've heard as far as brushed the Komodo is suppose to be the best.

[Demon-TC3]

emm...you post in the wrong thread or did the topic change REALLY fast...

[newbie816]

No he didn't post in the wrong thread.. in post #12 I after I said the stuff about the X-Ray. I asked what 19t motor would you guys would recommend. So basically the topic changed really fast lol. The reason I asked was so I can start to kind of put the pieces together on what I am going to get.

[newbie816]

I would say for a 19T motor I would go with a Trinity Komodo, or if you want and your track allows it Novaks new SS10.5 Pro, or again if you want to wait Orion is suppose to release a brushless 19t also. From what I've heard as far as brushed the Komodo is suppose to be the best.

Alright I went to go look at them and theirs a regular version but then their's also a pro version. What's the difference between the two?

[chestnut007]

get the Xray T2 '007! you'll love it! (i own one) i probably too late telling you this, right?

[associatedude92]

Wait till the Type-R comes out. I have a JRXS, and can't say anything I hate about it. A good 19t motor, proably the best out there now is the Checkpoint.

[newbie816]

lot's of good information you guys are giving me about all the car's making my decision much tougher lol.. Ok I think I know what car i'm going to get but i'm going to keep it secret until I start building it lol.. But when I am starting to build it I'll take some pictures and inform you guys how it's going on this thread.

Anyways what steering servo do you guy's recommend? Also which ESC's do you guys prefer? (Needs to be able to work with Lipo's most of them do I'm sure but just making sure)

[associatedude92]

Well, personally I use a G-11 pro, and a Hitech ultra speed servo. Don't remember the numbers.

[chestnut007]

get the Futaba S9550 for your steering servo, you won't regret it...

[rccardude04]

Which one people think best is usually influenced by what they run.

And which one people run is usually influenced by which car they thought was best at the time they spent their money on it. I do agree with you to the extent of "my car is better than yours" arguments being really annoying. But if I own an Associated, and I say the Associated is better, but I thought the Losi was really better deep inside, why didn't I just buy the Losi to begin with?

Just a thought to ponder :p

I'd personally either go with a JRX-S or wait to see what AE has up their sleeve.
Go to your LHS and see what they have for parts too. Also, since you're obviously going to be racing (since you need a high end car), go to the track and see what works there. Some cars are better on certain tracks than others.

-Eric

[newbie816]

Well the motor I am going to end up using will probably be the new Novak SS 10.5 Pro. Which is equivelent to the 19T motors but requires way less maintenance to get the best performance out of it. However as soon as Orion comes out with their version of a 19T brushless motor I will be sure to get one and try it out. Which mean's ESC wise I will probably go with the Novak GTB Brushed/Brushless system just in case I wanna sometime throw a brushed motor in their. Servo wise I am gonna go with the Airtronics 94362. Battery wise I am going Lipo with the Carbon or the Platinum from Team Orion. As for the car well that will be in my next post..

[Demon-TC3]

You know the Mamba Max is also a brushed / brushless esc...and according to most is a very good esc.

AS for a servo, im using a KO 2113 servo (0.06s transit i think...) plastic gears sadly but it is possible to upgrade...i have yet to break them...

[newbie816]

Yeah I have heard of Mamba Max. But, personally I have had no problems with Novak in the past and I have used their GTB esc before and really like it.

[Demon-TC3]

Novaks are indeed excellent esc's no doubts there, just lettin u know so before your decision so you can chek it out!

take care.
Demon

[newbie816]

Ok the car's it's between right now are the X-Ray T2 007 and the Team Losi JRX-S Type R. I like the JRX-S because where they put the battery in the middle and it seems like it would really make it corner awesome also it fits Lipo's without a problem. The cons to it are probably that it doesn't come out for like a month and it seems to be more of a carpet racer however I'm sure you can make it pretty good on asphalt to with a little tuning. The pro's to the X-Ray are well the Rubber spec edition will work perfectly for what I mostly race on which is asphalt. Then if I wanna do a little bit of carpet then I can just by the U.S. conversion kit for it which make's it sweet on carpet. Also another plus to the X-Ray would have to be their website/forums any help you need for it you can find it their. The con's would probably be at least for the Carpet edition that it won't fit the Orion Platinum Lipo's. But on the EU edition which Is the one I would be getting anyways you can fit it on just by using tape it secure it down.

[newbie816]

Ok nevermind all that stuff I said about the Lipo not fitting the X-Ray because instead of going with the Orion Lipo's I am going to go with some from Max Amps that should fit perfectly without any modifications to both versions of the X-Ray T2 007 the link is right here Max Amp Lipos (http://www.maxamps.com/products.php?cat=25)
Anyways I have a question about the one's from Max Amp like what balancing tap's should I get with it? Alright thanks again guy's with all your help it's been much appreciated.

[ErikRC10]

About an esc I would also consider the Shere Comp 07 which is suppose to have all the problems fixedand I have yet to hear about anybody complaining about them. I have the old Shere Comp and I love it and it has an LVC for the lipos built in so you wont have to worry about any of that, and it's smaller. As far as lipos I have no clue, I haven't gotten that far yet. I plan to go that path not to far in the future though.

[newbie816]

Well as for an ESC i am really leaning towards the Mamba after reading about it because you can upload with your computer and change things easily and efficiently. Also you can mess with the power in your motor to just seem's to be my kind of esc as for which rc car i am still unsure what i will go with yet.