Traxxas Bandit goes extreme

[MattHiggins]

http://209.2.68.15:8011/pics/bandit.jpg

From Traxxas:
The New Traxxas Bandit™ Extreme Sports Buggy!
The Traxxas Bandit is the ultimate Extreme Sports Buggy™ made for the driver who wants to experience max speed and all-out buggy fun. Loaded with a powerful Titan® 12-Turn modified motor and fully proportional XL-5 Electronic Speed Control, Bandit rips massive rooster tails, soars over giant jumps, and screams at speeds over 35mph.* Bandit lays down the power for pure performance and excitement at every turn. All new Tracer™ chrome wheels mount industry-standard 2.2" Alias racing tires for aggressive bite and surefooted handling. The all-new Revo®-Spec Torque-Control™ slipper provides sophisticated and reliable traction control. Bandit is built Traxxas Tough™ and is Ready-To-Race® to keep you off the workbench and deep in the fun zone. Plus, it’s upgradeable with a full line of Traxxas factory parts and accessories for custom performance and personalization.

• In a class by itself with 35+mph* top speeds
• Powerful Titan® 12T 550 modified motor
• XL-5 Electronic Speed Control features three programmable drive profiles for Sport, Race, or Training Mode
• Exclusive Training Mode™ limits full-throttle power to 50% allowing young or new drivers to develop their control skills (Patent-pending)
• Low CG and low rotational mass provide lightning-quick acceleration and unmatched agility
• Industry standard Alias™ 2.2" rear tires are pre-glued on mirror-chrome Tracer™ wheels.
• XL-5 ESC & receiver are securely fastened to the chassis eliminating troublesome servo tape
• Unrivaled parts availability and unparalleled Traxxas support
What’s New on the Bandit
• Titan® 12-Turn 550 modified motor for 35+mph
• XL-5 high-frequency forward/reverse/brake Electronic Speed Control with 12-turn (550) motor limit and EZ-Set™ one-button setup
• New gray parts and hot new graphics provide a fresh new look
• High-torque steering servo
• Integrated motor fan works with the channels in the motor plate to pull cooling air through the motor
• Revo®-Spec Torque-Control™ slipper clutch (patent pending)
• Industry standard 2.2" Alias™ rear and Alias front ribbed tires mounted on mirror-chrome Tracer™ wheels
• Powder-coated white springs and grey shock bodies
• Includes optional 31-tooth pinion gear
• New easy on/off wing mounting system

Bandit 1/10 Extreme Sports Buggy Ready-to-Race® with TQ radio system and XL-5 E.S.C. (fwd./rev/brk)...........$280.00
* With 7-cell battery and included optional 31-tooth pinion gear.

http://209.2.68.15:8011/pics/bandit2.jpg

[savage25le]

took a while, looks cool but were's the new e-maxx?

[RCmad93]

It will never be able to compete with the newer buggies.
Why don't they let old designs like this go?

[PeterV]

Yep, it'll never compete with a B4 or Triple-X, because it'll probably never even be on a track with a B4 or Triple-X! This is an inexpensive fun-buggy, not a racer. And based on the performance of its Rustler and Stampede stable mates, the new Bandit should be a blast. But don't be so sure it can't handle on a track; the new Rustler easily hung with the other RTR stadium trucks from Associated, Losi, Sportwerks, XTM and DuraTrax in our October 06 shootout, and was the fastest truck on the radar. Expect similar performance from the Bandit.

[RCmad93]

I've driven a friends old version bandit it was nothing special but i will say it was strangely quiet.
I remember when these were winning our local races years ago.

[Raster]

The Rustler and Stampede are extremely durable - great bashers. I expect this buggy is, too.

Does the new Rustler and Stampede have this new 550 motor (instead of the 540)?

[Jayboy]

Sounds real nice!
I hate the look of the chassis though...

[RichieRich]

It's good to see the Bandit finally get and upgrade. It's a solid buggy. I'd love a rolling chassis just to bash around with.

[TunaCan Charlie]

The Rustler and Stampede are extremely durable - great bashers. I expect this buggy is, too.

Does the new Rustler and Stampede have this new 550 motor (instead of the 540)?


- ya.

[T/Losi]

Very nice, well done Traxxas

Cheers

[ChuckDeez]

took a while, looks cool but were's the new e-maxx?

i heard its coming this march. :D

edit: Man, just saw the video of the bandit! I definitely want one!

[rckid11]

I still don't understand this...Even though its meant to be "fun" and "cheap" traxxas should try to make something new. Honestly, taking a old design and adding a few non-important changes and a faster motor is really a cheap move. How about a new design that uses new technology? Something that is even more durable and "fun". Sorry, I am just annoyed at Traxxas's new electric releases. I bet the emaxx is just going to be an old emaxx with some new "ultra powerfull" brushed motors...

But Kid, what would the "new technology" be? The Bandit/Rustler/Stampede (BRS) already have molded chassis, independent suspension, oil shocks, and a three-gear transmission just like every other 2WD EP off-roader. In addition, the BRS have a better-for-bashing planetary gear diff and a Revo-style slipper clutch that is as good or beter than anything being raced right now. I'm not sure how Traxxas could make it more durable and fun without getting silly. The updates Traxxas made are the most appropriate: faster motor, modern speed control, better tires and improved styling. It's still a 10-year-old car at heart, but as far as Joe Noob knows, it was just designed last month (and may as well have been, since 2WD features really haven't changed in 10 years). And if you tell Joe Noob the design is basically a decade old, he's not likely to care anyway. It's fast, has chrome wheels and looks rad--nuff said! :) --Pete

[redneckracer197]

Traxxas is a joke. All they do is release new vehicles with Bold new graphics and a new ESC and motor and that is it.

[elite]

Ummm - This bandit regardless of its capabilities as a competitor on the track (not that every car made is supposed to me a racer) is still totally redone and improved upon in regards to the old version. I didn't have one - nor would I want one but Traxxas is not a joke.

Traxxas has produced the best selling Maxx trucks and continues to make a good product better, as well as totally revolutionized the MT industry with the Revo - theres simply no denying that. They make it easy for newb's to get into RC, they have ridiculously amazing tech support, they stand behind their products, and they appeal to the majority with their good pricing, they offer value. My 1st RC was a Revo - and honestly without Traxxas I may have given up or had a much harder time so to say they are a joke is sorta juvenile.

I think im overreacting lol, sorry - Im sure you didnt mean it as it seemed over the post but I had to add my 2 cents!


Traxxas is a joke. All they do is release new vehicles with Bold new graphics and a new ESC and motor and that is it.

[Tamiya4ever]

So now the 4-Tec and the E-Maxx should be due next.

[BriS]

Well said elite. Yeah the changes aren't huge, but Traxxas does a good job for getting people started.

If a e-maxx make over is next, I guess they saved the best for last. Well, for electric RC anyways.

[metalry101]

I'm not exactly the biggest Traxxas fan out there, as a lot of people on these forums already know, but I think this looks good. No, it won't ever be competitive with a XXX or a B4 on a track, but like other people have said, notably PeterV, it's not intended to. I honestly don't know why you'd buy a buggy over a stadium truck as a basher, because your tire choices are...well...nil, but I guess if you've just gotta have a buggy, the Bandit is now a decent option as a basher, as opposed to the previous generation that was...well...a bit primitive. For bashing, I can honestly say I think this is about 10 miles ahead of the B4. The B4 RTR is a complete joke. The radio gear is about on par with Traxxas', but the ESC is garbage (AI? If you can't program a speed control, you shouldn't be in the hobby, period), and the motor...ya...not exactly fast, or long lasting, but hey, at least it comes with one. Ya...the kit B4 is very, very nice, I actually prefer the way it drives to the Losi, and I own a BK2, but for a RTR, there's no competition. The Bandit is 10x better than the B4 RTR, and at least $50 cheaper as well.

[jocktheglide165]

its an entry level buggie for fun and get togethers...oh yeah wheres my emaxx.

[rckid11]

I should start my own RC company...It will be based on one old and inferior design. About every year or so I will release a "new" model that has improved body graphix's and a mildly updated electronics setup. Isn't that a great idea?...lol Seriously whats the point if there is no development. I think traxxas needs to get to work and release something new...(preferably electric...)

[redneckracer197]

Well said RCKID11

[FroBoy]

Traxxas hadn't made an update to their best selling electric vehicles in a long time before this year.

This is a welcome update to a vehicle that doesn't need to be completely redesigned, since it is so good for the audience it is intended for.

Traxxas, and its cars, are one of the main reasons why we have it so good today. A newbie's parents can buy an entire bandit setup for under 200 bucks, battery and all. Try doing that before the RTR came around.

The amount of hater trolls on this forum has always stunned me.

[BTE214]

Sorry but I somewhat agree with rckid. I mean they could have at least figured out a way to better mount the wing. Leave the wires inside the piano please.

[metalry101]

I mean they could have at least figured out a way to better mount the wing. Leave the wires inside the piano please.
No argument on that part.

[af_juicy]

I understand you guys want electrics to be updated but lets face it they have been focusing on what sell and that is Nitro. The REVO and JATO are completely out of the box and they have a lot of design work put into those two vehical. But I fell what you guys are saying the Maxx got me hooked for life and I have then moved up to better vehicals but every company has it sales points. You don't expect a newbie to buy a $1500 Mugen Roller and then just get discouraged within a week. Our love for this hobby is one thing but how will we get new people without people like Traxxas and HPI making these same vehicals at buget prices..

[dallasv8]

i actually prefer the wing being mounted like that,gives them a bit of give when racing unlike the solid mounts on the B4.the proline and j concepts wings on my B4 are piss weak,hopefully the traxxas ones a bit stronger.

[Old_School_RC_1]

looks nice, it was in need of a freshening. Should haul with the 12t 550 in it. looking forward to some new vehicles from traxxas - 1/8 buggy with revo style cantilevers anyone? :)

[Vato Loco]

I like to see them revamp the Monster buggy! That has been around for a while now! give HPI a run for their money;-)
BTW: My two cents.........Traxxas electric(Bandit, Rustler, and Stampede) are basic R/C Bashers with potential for serious bashing, Not really a racing platform like the B4 and T4. I like the traxxas line up, but I feel they could have done more to upgrade the chassis shock mounting and battery tray is a sore issue with me! They improved the Gear box with the new Jato slipper clutch was a cool feature and the getting a way from the diffent offset rims was really nice too. Also a 12T motor and better ESC thats cool too. Traxxas has revamed the Bandit, Rustler, and Stampede more than just change the paint job and color of the chassis. For what the rigs were ment for they do really well.......Bashing.
I might pick up that Bandit one day, and add the new street tires, then slam a MM5700 in it with Li-ions? Good going traxxas! now revamp the E-maxx, tec4, Monster buggy, and add a e-revo and we're set!

[vaderbxman]

The amount of hater trolls on this forum has always stunned me.

Amen! :D

[Vato Loco]

Amen! :D
I second that! To each his own as I see it :D I like bashing more than racing and getting a t4 for serious Basing would be a waist of time and effort! ..........................Traxxas rules the Back Yard Jungle :wave: !

[GT Freak]

dont forget there boat lineup either...they will add the marine version of the esc, add a 550 12t and new graphics....sheesh.

[Vato Loco]

Yes, forgot about the boat line up! A cat would be nice!

[trxcrazy345]

its a basher! weee

[maxxmustang]

It will never be able to compete with the newer buggies.
Why don't they let old designs like this go?
amen! they should of scrapped this years ago. looks like a rustler with buggy wheels and body. im a traxxas fan, but i cant say this is one of my favorites. LISTEN TO US TRAXXAS! REDO THE EMAXX! owell, looks like a fun basher

[Dan-o]

There is one simple guiding force when a company releases a product...the market. Traxxas has always catered to the basher, noob, and enthusiast rather than to the hardcore racer. The BRS are fun, entry level race worthy vehicles that don't break often, even in the hands of the inexpierienced! I'd love to have a nickle for every broken a-arm, shock tower, or steering block I've seen in the pro level vehicles. Traxxas simply caters to a differant market than Losi, AE, and X Factory. Cudos to Traxxas on this one. I want one of each...Bandit, rustler, and stampede!

Once you understand the filthy, stagnant cesspools of capitalism, doesn't it make it that much easier to understand why things are the way they are?

[RichieRich]

I should start my own RC company...It will be based on one old and inferior design. About every year or so I will release a "new" model that has improved body graphix's and a mildly updated electronics setup. Isn't that a great idea?...lol Seriously whats the point if there is no development. I think traxxas needs to get to work and release something new...(preferably electric...)

Then we'll complain about how crappy your cars are and how they look exactly like a AE/Losi buggy. :rolleyes:

[chase]

[QUOTE=af_juicy) You don't expect a newbie to buy a $1500 Mugen Roller and then just get discouraged within a week. QUOTE]



it doesnt matter mugens suck lol
and what are you saying that electrics are only for beginners and they suck :teacher:

[Ball Racing]

amen! they should of scrapped this years ago. looks like a rustler with buggy wheels and body.

Well don't most trucks look like buggies, and buggies like trucks except for the tires, and body :roll2:


And most of the haters are still in school....
Things look different to them....

[ElectricThunder]

Well don't most trucks look like buggies, and buggies like trucks except for the tires, and body :roll2:
And most of the haters are still in school....
Things look different to them....
LOL! EXCELLENT point.


Where do you think the RC10T came from? I'll give you a hint...drop the "t". :D

[af_juicy]

[QUOTE=af_juicy) You don't expect a newbie to buy a $1500 Mugen Roller and then just get discouraged within a week. QUOTE]



it doesnt matter mugens suck lol
and what are you saying that electrics are only for beginners and they suck :teacher:

By no means am I saying that electrics are only for beginners. Nor did I say they suck. I own a few electrics in fact my 4 year old had a Rustler for his first truck and now he has a Losi Mini LST. Me and My wife each have an
E-Maxx. I have a few Tamyia Electric cars and a couple Losi XXX BK2's. I am not a newbie to electric vehicals.

[chase]

[QUOTE=chase]

By no means am I saying that electrics are only for beginners. Nor did I say they suck. I own a few electrics in fact my 4 year old had a Rustler for his first truck and now he has a Losi Mini LST. Me and My wife each have an
E-Maxx. I have a few Tamyia Electric cars and a couple Losi XXX BK2's. I am not a newbie to electric vehicals.



thats better but mugens still suck lol :teacher:

[maxxmustang]

And most of the haters are still in school....
Things look different to them....
im not a hater, and yes im still in school. i love traxxas, i hav a tmaxx 3.3 and my bro has a rustler, and i just went and looked at it and its the EXACT same chasis and everything except the wheels and body. that seems like traxxas is trying to mak it look like thier doing somthing


either that or thier trying to distract us while they revamp the emaxx

Its a conspiracy man! (dopey hippy voice) :D

[rckid11]

This is funny. I don't see the point of being a RC company that doesn't release anything new. Thats like saying that you guys want old crappy cars with overpowered engines. It just doesn't work out.

As ball racing said, maybe us people in school actually like development and technology. I don't know about you guys, but I like to know that I have a product that was designed and tested to be the best that it can be. Not just a tool to make the company money. You can have your views, but I definitively can have my own.

[Dan-o]

...like saying that you guys want old cars with more powerful engines.

Actually there is a multi-billion dollar industry dedicated to exactly what you're talking about. So yes, it does work out...

[ElectricThunder]

...and i just went and looked at it and its the EXACT same chasis and everything except the wheels and body. that seems like traxxas is trying to mak it look like thier doing somthing

A buggy is literally a stadium truck with somewhat different suspension (arms are shorter I believe, and shocks/towers are probably a tad different, at least out back), smaller tires/wheels in the back, and skinnier tires/wheels up front.:)

I agree traxxas needs to re-think these old platforms (my beef is really only with the tranny; I have a 60+ dollar diff, and then the 10 dollar aluminum idler... D'oh! The rest of my Rustler is fine with me; built like a tank and handles whatever I throw at it). But if they're still selling decently...why spend the money and time on R&D for a new thing when the old thing is doing perfectly fine? From a business perspective, Traxxas is being smart by merely giving a "face lift" to their lineup of electrics and selling them for a little bit more (even though, in essence, it's the same basic vehicle that just looks cooler and has an RTR motor in it that has some cojones).

The Rustler, Bandit, and Stampede are all meant for bashing (and for the most part, are based off of one another and/or share a bunch of parts). It takes SERIOUS and EXTENSIVE (look at what The JANG did) modifications to get them to be race worthy in terms of a "serious" race.

Dan-o - Good one....:D

[metalry101]

thats better but mugens still suck lol :teacher:
:rolleyes:

[jocktheglide165]

The amount of hater trolls on this forum has always stunned me.
I agree especially folks with low post count who post something about trolls :teacher:

[minijosh]

I think the whole R&D team for Traxxas should be fired. They are telling the board members lets stick with what we have and just make it a little bit better. This way all we have to do is stick in a larger motor and it will go faster. This saves a ton of money, no new molds to throw away or spare parts can be kept on the shelf for the new buggy by using the old buggy stuff still out there with dust on it's package. Yeah it might be a great basher but bashing won't win money or get the world wide status of being a racing machine. The Revo and T/Emaxx have done that. Not to leave the Jato out but the crouds follow the winners. Oh great another revamp of a classicly old buggy that is below average.

It's not like Tamiya who only rerelease their stuff because they are collectors items.

Pricewise I think it's too much. Who wants a basher for that price when you can buy a Duratrax or some other buggy/truck for less money. Sure you don't get the all powerful XL-1 or the 550 motor but does it really matter when you are running nicads in your backyard?

[GT Freak]

well, the only other one they WILL upgrade(instead of tossing out) will b that damn spirit truck(which is based on the cat chassis,20yr old design) :rolleyes:

Now if they would lose their craniel rear end desease and listen to the bashers/racers, id want the return of:
nitro hawk
nitro street
trx1/3
srt/eagle
the :teacher: has spoken

[Ball Racing]

Wonder why we haven't stopped making anvils, and hammers?

[rckid11]

Actually there is a multi-billion dollar industry dedicated to exactly what you're talking about. So yes, it does work out...

You can be the pioneer of taking old inferior, outdated, and just plain crappy RC cars/buggies/trucks and putting newer electronics/motors in them...Have fun! Maybe you can start your own class...

[Dan-o]

I think the whole R&D team for Traxxas should be fired.

The same guys that designed the TMaxx, which singlehandedly saved our hobby, and is indirectly responsible for the current Truggy class? And don't forget the Revo...I guess they were just sitting around with their thumbs you-know-where for that one too huh?

[slink]

I agree with Dan-o ! Some people dont care for traxxas vechicles and thats fine,however traxxas has brought so many people into the hobby with their affordable durable rtr vechicles.I have no doubt traxxas has done more to expand the hobby than anyone else.Will I win a national title with the new Bandit nope but I wont win that title with my B4 either but I 'll have fun driving both:)

[rs4 rally boi]

i think it looks nice, if its not broke dont fix it :D

[maxxmustang]

i think it looks nice, if its not broke dont fix it :D
erm...it is broke. i doubt the bandits sales have reached 30 a year in years. i love mt tmaxx but this is getting ridiculus. lets all congratualte traxxas on not coming out with a completely new design in seven years! WOOT! :huh:

[timmygreek]

erm...it is broke. i doubt the bandits sales have reached 30 a year in years. i love mt tmaxx but this is getting ridiculus. lets all congratualte traxxas on not coming out with a completely new design in seven years! WOOT!

UMM.... The REVO.

The XXX and the B-4 just made slight changes from generation to generation and everyone thought those slight changes where revoloutionary! The Bandit was not a popular vechicle that needed a change, possibly one that can give them a hint as to make a new design. I say bravo Traxxas.

[SS Pede]

The Jato came out less than 7 years ago too. :)

It would be cool if Traxxas released new vehicles more often, but look at the path they are on. Every "all-new" vehicle whips the R/C world into a frenzy, and is worth the wait due to ground-breaking designs. T-Maxx and Revo are examples of this. Vehicles that made people say "holy cow"

[PeterV]

Random symbols are what got the entire cast of Beetle Bailey banned for life from this thread. Everybody knows that "%$#&" really means [CONTENT DELETED -- USER BANNED]

[PeterV]

Heh, accidentally banned myself, had to hack back in. See what happens when you screw around? :)

[Ball Racing]

I guess they could make as many different buggies as OFNA has in 1/8th scale,
(which everyone complains about)

Or you can just not care and let the $$$$$ decide.
No one forces you to buy revamped "old" stuff...
of any brand...

Or they coud make a 777 1 then a 2 then a world champion edtion then next years model, and having you buying each.........

Or you could get off your rump shakers and build you own stuff, and be creative, and not depend on others for your toys..

[adrcracing]

I got a Bandit back in 98 and drove the wheels off it for years. When through about 8 speed gems and the stock stinger motor, and about six battery packs, oh and $20.00 worth of Bandit parts.

Then I got a B3 and tried to drive it like the Bandit. I broke everything! Your racer buggys may be a little faster on a track, but you can't bash it like a bandit!

I'll be getting one of the new ones!

[jocktheglide165]

I agree with Dan-o ! Some people dont care for traxxas vechicles and thats fine,however traxxas has brought so many people into the hobby with their affordable durable rtr vechicles.I have no doubt traxxas has done more to expand the hobby than anyone else.Will I win a national title with the new Bandit nope but I wont win that title with my B4 either but I 'll have fun driving both:)
hey I care for traxxas no wait I dont care cause they dont care for me point is I do like traxxas vehicles, but it gets lame after awhile just changing the body color and re-re-re-releasing it with one paint thats different then call it the new and improved system. I highly doubt traxxas has done more than any other manufacture you forget tamiya has been around for 30 years and that means something when all other companys have come and gone. Once tamiya goes out of business and traxxas still lingers around then and only then you can repull this thread and say i was wrong about traxxas contributing more than any other RC company. :)

[jocktheglide165]

I'll be getting one of the new ones!
me too....

[Ibjamn552]

You guys can bash Traxxas all you want. Obviously, they don't need your business, because you "Traxxas haters" have already stepped up to bigger and better machines for racing. :roll2:

BUT, you need their business. .......... :confused:

That's right. you need their business. :teacher:
Go into a LHS and tell me what takes up the most space. That's right. Traxxas. The LHS's wouldn't be very profitable if all they had were kits and higher end RC's. (how long would they be in business for your needs, also?)So it isn't only Traxxas that is making the money on "Xtreme make-overs" on fun entry level bashing RTR R/c's. Besides that, look at the parts that are interchangable within the 3 rides in question! The ease of parts ordering/inventory alone would appeal to any retailer! :p
If you are new to this hobby, and you can't find replacement parts easily for the times you break something, I doubt you would enjoy yourself as much.
And when they get a taste for something better, then that LHS that had the cool stuff will be there to satisfy their craving.

Anyway, Kudos to Traxxas for already changing the first 4 things every hobbyist upgrades to, when they get the money to do so; faster motor, better ESC for the faster motor, Wheels, and tires.
:driving:

Thats what I have to say about your criticisms :wave:

[jocktheglide165]

You guys can bash Traxxas all you want. Obviously, they don't need your business, because you "Traxxas haters" have already stepped up to bigger and better machines for racing. :roll2:

BUT, you need their business. .......... :confused:

That's right. you need their business. :teacher:
Go into a LHS and tell me what takes up the most space. That's right. Traxxas. The LHS's wouldn't be very profitable if all they had were kits and higher end RC's. (how long would they be in business for your needs, also?)So it isn't only Traxxas that is making the money on "Xtreme make-overs" on fun entry level bashing RTR R/c's. Besides that, look at the parts that are interchangable within the 3 rides in question! The ease of parts ordering/inventory alone would appeal to any retailer! :p
If you are new to this hobby, and you can't find replacement parts easily for the times you break something, I doubt you would enjoy yourself as much.
And when they get a taste for something better, then that LHS that had the cool stuff will be there to satisfy their craving.

Anyway, Kudos to Traxxas for already changing the first 4 things every hobbyist upgrades to, when they get the money to do so; faster motor, better ESC for the faster motor, Wheels, and tires.
:driving:

Thats what I have to say about your criticisms :wave:
i dont think your getting the point your just rambling on and on keep fighting the good fight :wave:

[jocktheglide165]

traxxas spirit...thats what im waiting for revamped.

[btrczone06]

Traxxas is a joke. All they do is release new vehicles with Bold new graphics and a new ESC and motor and that is it.

Plus new gray parts, new tires and rims, new optional Anaconda tires, step out of the norm and use a 550 motor with internal fan, powder coated white shock springs, new Revo spec slipper clutch, new high-torque steering servo, and a motor tranny mount that channels air thru. Are all these exciting and revolutionary? No but at least they did it. And at a minimal cost. So may I politely suggest that if you want to make a statement like that, then you at least post all the facts? Traxxas is a joke? Tell that to the factory pumping their products out so fast they are often out of stock! Is the Revo suspension a joke too? I'd like to hear your ideas on how to do a release on your entire fleet, and still make a huge profit. Now if you are just saying that to start a flaming, then I regret responding, but it bugs me to see people make such non thinking statements. For the record, I have a Losi XXX-T, an original RC10, a Nitro Stampede, a Tamiya F-150 4x4, and have been around since the days when a 1200mAh battery was considered the norm! LOL :teacher:

[reptile]

I will just state this... Traxxas Stampede rustler and the bandit are still around after how many years?
wonder why?

enough said.

Bandit looks better than ever GREAT job traxxas KEEP EM TUFF!

[jocktheglide165]

I will just state this... Traxxas Stampede rustler and the bandit are still around after how many years?
wonder why?

enough said.

Bandit looks better than ever GREAT job traxxas KEEP EM TUFF!
so why do you have a problem with the spirit the spirit is probably the last of the last of traxxas still lingering around seems you hate traxxas just because of the spirity whoa..... :huh: :wave:

[R_C_hoodlum]

Traxxas is like a gateway drug (excpet it's not a drug, don't smoke it :teacher: )

People that get only mildly interested in RC start to look into the world and they see Traxxas.

They go fast, they're durable, and affordable. So people buy them, and after they get more experience they move onto bigger and better things.

[z-man280]

I love when a simple thign turns into complete chaos.

Yep, Traxxas is crap. Funny, their still in business, and doing better than ever.

Rewind a few years back to the SRT, TCP buggy, and racing. Traxxas did VERY well with them. They were dedicated race vehicles. We all know what p.o.s. the Revo is, and it had NO effect on monster truck racing at all, did it?
Those of you who complain about no BIG updates, feel free to go down into your basement, and build a complete tool an die set up, injection molding, R & D it for 6 months, create the ultimate ESC, market it, develop an ad campaign, oh, and make sure you can sell it below $200.00




Bottom line, they did some tweeking to a tried and true car. The Rustler, Stampede, Bandit have been around a long time, and will be for long to come. Why?

go drive one. You can test drive one at your LHS...

try that with a losi or AE.

[reptile]

so why do you have a problem with the spirit the spirit is probably the last of the last of traxxas still lingering around seems you hate traxxas just because of the spirity whoa..... :huh: :wave:
:D No problem here just forgot to add it to the list!

[ElectricThunder]

Bottom line, they did some tweeking to a tried and true car. The Rustler, Stampede, Bandit have been around a long time, and will be for long to come. Why?

go drive one. You can test drive one at your LHS...

try that with a losi or AE.
I think that's the best way to put it.

[Vato Loco]

I heard Traxxas, and all the Traxxas owners was on the phone with AHCRU(Anti-Hard-Core-Racers-Union), Rev. A. Sharpton and Rev. J. Jackson this afternoon! Something about Brandism? R/C Hate Crime? and something about THE MAN tring to keep the Good R/C company Down!................LOL's Love Traxxas, King of the Backyard!
JMO.....I noticed alot of Brandism lately! If you don't drive X or Y brands and a hard core Racer but you like Z and your a basher your branded a nothing and your rig is nothing..............I seen it at the track, LHS, and at the Local bashing spots! Can't we all just get along! PeteV, you need to do a write up in RCCA about this bad rash buzzing around here. as I see The feeling here is... if you don't drive a $300 top shelf brand Racer you and your ride get ridiculed(sp) for it?JMO Chris

[Ibjamn552]

This reminds me of how Audi owners bash anyone who drives a VW :roll2:

[metalry101]

Plus new gray parts...
New gray parts that are the same as the old black parts. Woohoo!
...new tires and rims, new optional Anaconda tires...
A whole new set of tires?!?! Woah :eek:
...step out of the norm and use a 550 motor with internal fan
Because I'd much rather have a closed endbell 550 than an open endbell, rebuildable Trinity 540 like what Losi uses
powder coated white shock springs
Oh my God. WHITE!!!! Instead of red!!! What a change! That had to add at least 5 horsepower and improve handling, all with a color change on the springs! Think how much you could add if you powder coated something that mattered, like the motor! You could make the truck do 100 mph by just powder coating (or should we call it "speed coating") the motor!!!!
new Revo spec slipper clutch
Finally a feature that actually makes a difference. Not that I would know, I lock mine down, but being able to swap spurs w/o rebuilding the slipper is an improvement, I'll give you that.
new high-torque steering servo
Higher torque = good. Still plastic geared = lame. good + lame = you're going to want to upgraded anyways, so why not save us the 10 bucks and put the old 2018 in it instead of the 2055? Just a thought.
Is the Revo suspension a joke too?
No. It's a helluva lot more durable than the old T-Maxx, but it still has a small motor, it still sucks to work on, it still can't handle big block torque very well, and it costs way too much for what it is. It's certainly a huge leap forward from the T-Maxx, but it's hardly the end-all truck that Traxxas and a lot of the magazines and internet sites would have you believe.

[jocktheglide165]

traxxas has done wonders for the RC in general so dont know why everyone is complaining im glad traxxas came along granted they dont make new ideas yearly like tamiya, but so what I like traxxas for what they done for the monster truck era...

[RCMTracer]

took a while, looks cool but were's the new e-maxx?

First the Rustler and Stampede, now the Bandit? I'm with you, where is the new E-MAXX?

[adrcracing]

New gray parts that are the same as the old black parts. Woohoo!

A whole new set of tires?!?! Woah :eek:

Because I'd much rather have a closed endbell 550 than an open endbell, rebuildable Trinity 540 like what Losi uses

Oh my God. WHITE!!!! Instead of red!!! What a change! That had to add at least 5 horsepower and improve handling, all with a color change on the springs! Think how much you could add if you powder coated something that mattered, like the motor! You could make the truck do 100 mph by just powder coating (or should we call it "speed coating") the motor!!!!

Finally a feature that actually makes a difference. Not that I would know, I lock mine down, but being able to swap spurs w/o rebuilding the slipper is an improvement, I'll give you that.

Higher torque = good. Still plastic geared = lame. good + lame = you're going to want to upgraded anyways, so why not save us the 10 bucks and put the old 2018 in it instead of the 2055? Just a thought.

No. It's a helluva lot more durable than the old T-Maxx, but it still has a small motor, it still sucks to work on, it still can't handle big block torque very well, and it costs way too much for what it is. It's certainly a huge leap forward from the T-Maxx, but it's hardly the end-all truck that Traxxas and a lot of the magazines and internet sites would have you believe.


This guy is a fake, he likes Traxxas. He knows way to much about the Traxxas lineup not to.

How many of us spend the time learning all about the products we hate? Then post long rants about them on the net?

metalry101, your a Traxxas fan! Lol

[jocktheglide165]

This guy is a fake, he likes Traxxas. He knows way to much about the Traxxas lineup not to.

How many of us spend the time learning all about the products we hate? Then post long rants about them on the net?

metalry101, your a Traxxas fan! Lol
hey he loves the emaxx...who does not like traxxas its the folks who assume theirs traxxas haters that actually hate traxxas

[btrczone06]

New gray parts that are the same as the old black parts. Woohoo!

A whole new set of tires?!?! Woah :eek:

Because I'd much rather have a closed endbell 550 than an open endbell, rebuildable Trinity 540 like what Losi uses

Oh my God. WHITE!!!! Instead of red!!! What a change! That had to add at least 5 horsepower and improve handling, all with a color change on the springs! Think how much you could add if you powder coated something that mattered, like the motor! You could make the truck do 100 mph by just powder coating (or should we call it "speed coating") the motor!!!!

Finally a feature that actually makes a difference. Not that I would know, I lock mine down, but being able to swap spurs w/o rebuilding the slipper is an improvement, I'll give you that.

Higher torque = good. Still plastic geared = lame. good + lame = you're going to want to upgraded anyways, so why not save us the 10 bucks and put the old 2018 in it instead of the 2055? Just a thought.

No. It's a helluva lot more durable than the old T-Maxx, but it still has a small motor, it still sucks to work on, it still can't handle big block torque very well, and it costs way too much for what it is. It's certainly a huge leap forward from the T-Maxx, but it's hardly the end-all truck that Traxxas and a lot of the magazines and internet sites would have you believe.

metalry101
Calm down here, I didn't mean to raise your blood pressure. I was simply adding the rest of the details that Traxxas added, minor or major, that redneckracer failed to mention. I did not state any performance benefits. You are probably right, powder coating the motor should easily get you up to 100mph! Good thinking! And yes powder coating the springs will likely get you 5 HP too. Again good thinking there too! How much torque to you need on a buggy steering servo anyway? I do have to wonder why you seem so offended when my post was directed at someone else, who failed to describe all the new details ! :teacher: I don't know what you expected them to change, the entire chasis design? A new tranny? Do you have any idea how much the R&D and manufacturing changes would cost? What they did was just like the real auto companies. Give the new model year a cosmetic facelift, which does not cost all that much compared to a new design all together. Again I invite you to let us know all your design changes and why they would be logical, and how that would affect profits, while still keeping the price as low as it is.

As for your comments on the Revo, I was stating that Traxxas certainly does know how to create a R&D marvel from scratch, that does not resemble anything on the market. Apparently you don't like that either! I guess there is no pleasing you. What vehicles are in your fleet that are so incredible? Again if you are saying this just to start flaming, then I regret posting, but then again I'm bored right now so no big deal.

And by the way, I do not have and do not want a 2wd buggy, I'm just defending the Bandit 'cause it can't speak for itself.... :huh:

[Old_School_RC_1]

jeez, this thread took off in the last 2-3 days!

Been in the hobby 14 years, started witha Futaba FX-10 (anyone remember that one?) AND I just bought my first stampede 2 months ago - it was my 30th vehicle. Why? It's decently priced, durable, it performs well, and it's been around forever so it has tons of aftermarket support. And i liked the new look and the improvements. heck, i might buy one of these just for ripping around in the back yard.

As far as a new body and some updated stuff, i don't see anywhere in that press release that this is intended to be the next off road champ, and that's not it's market. I applaud them just for giving it some attention - it cannot be their number one seller, so why bother updating it at all? Any company on it's game will update it's products when there is no need to do so (how many savages have been out there?) and an update doesn't have to be a complete redesign - especially when it's not needed.

by the way, i am 100% on board for the E-maxx update.... :) my guess would be a simple update - the new t-maxx 3.3 suspension and wheels, some form of the revo slipper (works great, SO much better than the old peg system) and possibly some sort of motor/ESC change. And grey plastics and a new body of course to bring it up to speed with the other cars.

Of course, if they really wanted to get wild, how about stamping a new chassis and dropping the e-maxx tranny onto a revo set-up. not everyone can afford a gorilla maxx conversion.......Just throwing it out there.

[GT Freak]

Of course, if they really wanted to get wild, how about stamping a new chassis and dropping the e-maxx tranny onto a revo set-up. :eek: "A new idea :confused: no no, we cant have that here at traxxas, sorry, YOUR the weakest link, goodbye!":D

[z-man280]

WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!


metalry101-

now Ryan, did i, or did i NOT see pics of BOTH an E-MAXX and a XL-5 Stampede in your stable???



Traxxas lover^^^^^^^^ :p ;)


:wave:

[t-maxx3792]

i have the old version it is fun very durable i've jumped down 8 ft ledges and it just keeps on going. i really thinkthey should make a nitro version

[z-man280]

they kind of did back in 93',...the nitro buggy.

[R_C_hoodlum]

is there really a point to all this arguing?

[Chewbacca]

lot of heat going on here.

heck I do think at least SOME other improvements should have been made. I still have two Traxxas Radicator Experts in my stable, on which I did a servo repositioning just like in more modern vehicles since the Losi XX(T) and the RC10 B/T3. That way you get the battery positioning options or just room for a 7th cell. I even did that mod on my old RC10T.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the old Bandit chassi made out of kinda cheapo plastic as opposed to the old Rustler chassis? At least there it seems to be improved.

[z-man280]

the bandit uses the rustler chassis. Actually, the only seperatio nfro mthe 3( pede/rusty/bandit is chassis on the pede, couple of body mounts, and tires/wheels

[Associatedguy16]

It doesn't look like a buggy, I don't like it. It will fall apart after a summers worth of beatings.

[R_C85]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you've never owned a traxxas vehicle in your life....these things last FOREVER.

My first RC was a stampede, same for my brother and my friend. We beat the hell out of 'em all spring, summer, and fall for a couple years and hardly ever broke them.

[ElectricThunder]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you've never owned a traxxas vehicle in your life....these things last FOREVER.

My first RC was a stampede, same for my brother and my friend. We beat the hell out of 'em all spring, summer, and fall for a couple years and hardly ever broke them.
The poster has two posts... They're obviously looking to start a flame war. I doubt they'll show up in this thread again. They most likely only wish to cause trouble. Best thing to do is to ignore them.:)

[Ball Racing]

Lets see, shock - spring change,
trans change,
wheel change
tire change,
speed control change
motor change,
plastic change,


How dare them make this buggy upgraded into what people had to do ,
to make their buggy more up to speed?????




I can see where all the flames come from you know,
and to top it off you know you HAVE to buy all new releases, and updated vehicles , or there is a gangster fairy that will come get what you have now.......


PLEASE - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

[ElectricThunder]

Lets see, shock - spring change,
trans change,
wheel change
tire change,
speed control change
motor change,
plastic change,


How dare them make this buggy upgraded into what people had to do ,
to make their buggy more up to speed?????




I can see where all the flames come from you know,
and to top it off you know you HAVE to buy all new releases, and updated vehicles , or there is a gangster fairy that will come get what you have now.......


PLEASE - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I had to put a steel/aluminum diff and aluminum idler in my tranny... They didn't do that.:p

(Seriously, that is my ONLY complaint about my Rustler....the tranny takes a good 70 bucks before it can handle any "good" power. My T3 could take it no problems stock, as can my TT-01.)

[GT Freak]

... and you know you HAVE to buy all new releases, and updated vehicles , or there is a gangster fairy that will come get what you have now....... :rolleyes: whatever. last new trx vehicle bought:
E-maxx. summer 06
before that: used e-pede in 04

[Old_School_RC_1]

Or you could get off your rump shakers and build you own stuff, and be creative, and not depend on others for your toys..

AMEN!

[Old_School_RC_1]

I had to put a steel/aluminum diff and aluminum idler in my tranny... They didn't do that.:p

(Seriously, that is my ONLY complaint about my Rustler....the tranny takes a good 70 bucks before it can handle any "good" power. My T3 could take it no problems stock, as can my TT-01.)

Huh. Running 7 cells and brushless, about 20-30 packs through the 'pede, and holding up perfect....only thing going wrong is the plastic sliders are starting to twist and bind up - otherwise, taken a beating and so far so good. My only complaint was the wheel bushings...shouldn't even come out of the box with those - wobbly after the first 5 runs.

[jocktheglide165]

Why Is Everyone Assuming Everyone Is Mad.....(sarcasm) Seems Everyohe Hates The Sprirt Here...i Wonder Why....

[metalry101]

This guy is a fake, he likes Traxxas. He knows way to much about the Traxxas lineup not to.

How many of us spend the time learning all about the products we hate? Then post long rants about them on the net?

metalry101, your a Traxxas fan! Lol
I work full time in my LHS. I know the products I sell.

I never said that I liked or disliked Traxxas. I merely argued against statements that I thought were stupid. If you read my earlier posts in this thread, you'll see that I'm cool with this buggy. I think they should have just killed it off because 2WD buggies make terrible bashers (mainly because there are no worthwhile non-track tires for them). But since they didn't do that, I like what they did do. It's a way better buy than a B4 RTR IMHO.
WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!


metalry101-

now Ryan, did i, or did i NOT see pics of BOTH an E-MAXX and a XL-5 Stampede in your stable???



Traxxas lover^^^^^^^^ :p ;)


:wave:
Yes, those are fun trucks, and I do like them both a lot, but neither is even close to stock, and both are broken right now. Check out the E-Maxx thread for pics of just how badly it's broken. :D

metalry101
Calm down here, I didn't mean to raise your blood pressure. I was simply adding the rest of the details that Traxxas added, minor or major, that redneckracer failed to mention. I did not state any performance benefits. You are probably right, powder coating the motor should easily get you up to 100mph! Good thinking! And yes powder coating the springs will likely get you 5 HP too. Again good thinking there too! How much torque to you need on a buggy steering servo anyway? I do have to wonder why you seem so offended when my post was directed at someone else, who failed to describe all the new details ! I don't know what you expected them to change, the entire chasis design? A new tranny? Do you have any idea how much the R&D and manufacturing changes would cost? What they did was just like the real auto companies. Give the new model year a cosmetic facelift, which does not cost all that much compared to a new design all together. Again I invite you to let us know all your design changes and why they would be logical, and how that would affect profits, while still keeping the price as low as it is.

As for your comments on the Revo, I was stating that Traxxas certainly does know how to create a R&D marvel from scratch, that does not resemble anything on the market. Apparently you don't like that either! I guess there is no pleasing you. What vehicles are in your fleet that are so incredible? Again if you are saying this just to start flaming, then I regret posting, but then again I'm bored right now so no big deal.

And by the way, I do not have and do not want a 2wd buggy, I'm just defending the Bandit 'cause it can't speak for itself....
I'm glad you took my comments with a grain of salt and laughed at the speed coating. It was intended to be funny. :)

As I said earlier, I have no problem with them revamping the buggy like this...but to list all the slight changes as things that actually make a difference? The only things that I've seen that are functional differences are the ESC, the motor, and slipper. The motor is still a turd quality wise, but until it burns up, it is definately fast for an RTR. I guess you could say the new gray shocks are an improvement too. I know old Stampedes would blow the caps off the shocks after getting 3 feet of air. Mine has seen 7 or 8 feet of air (and will see a lot more once I get it fixed) and a lot of very, very hard impacts on the shocks, and they still work great. I was planning on needing to upgrade to Big Bores, but so far I think I've only managed to bend a shock shaft, so I'm very impressed with the new shocks.

The Revo is alright...I have a 3.3 version, but like I said, it's not the super end-all engineering accomplishment that their marketing and most of the magazines would have you believe. The suspension is merely different, not better. I have owned or do own every single mainstream monster truck on the market (Savage, Maxx, Revo, LST, MGT, TNX, Twin Force, E-Zilla), and I honestly think the LST is far and away the best deisigned truck out there. That said, I'd take my TNX over any of them just based on the way it drives, but I think the LST is the best of the bunch hands down.

[btrczone06]

+1 on the LST ! I like the Fine Designs Brushless/LiPo version of the LST, but I could buy a lot of toys for the price they want for it! You mean you were kidding about the powder coating thing? Gees I just paid big money to have it done! LOL I of course did take it with a grain of salt, and thought it was funny. The 550 Titan motor seems variable quality. Some people get a 50 runs out of them, some kill it in 5 runs, but Traxxas sends them a new motor most of the time for free, can't beat that for customer service. How did you like the E-Zilla compared to an E-Maxx? It looks nice, but the Emaxx just has so many aftermarket parts and my LHS carries parts. I was surprised to see the Terra Crusher turn into the TNX then into the latest version, which seems quite race capable. I tend to think of Tamiya as all plastic, small 1/10 scale.

[metalry101]

The 550 Titan motor seems variable quality. Some people get a 50 runs out of them, some kill it in 5 runs, but Traxxas sends them a new motor most of the time for free, can't beat that for customer service.
Ya...and they seem to have gotten a lot better. I know a lot of the motors in the first shipments took a dump very quickly, but I haven't heard or seen the problem nearly as much lately, so I figure it must have gotten better.

How did you like the E-Zilla compared to an E-Maxx? It looks nice, but the Emaxx just has so many aftermarket parts and my LHS carries parts.
Stock for stock I'd say the E-Zilla is the better truck. Like you say, the E-Maxx definately has more aftermarket support, and therefore, more potential, but out of the box, I think the E-Zilla is tougher, faster, handles better, and is the better value.

[jocktheglide165]

. Like you say, the E-Maxx definately has more aftermarket support, and therefore, more potential, but out of the box, I think the E-Zilla is tougher, faster, handles better, and is the better value.
I agree I like the E savage also i dont know why folks think that emaxx blows the E savage out of the water (dont go over to the traxxas boards) its a good built truck no doubt the E savage I like them both if more aftermarket parts were available then traxxas would probably come out with a new emaxx (I dont care if its a new body that would be cool upgrade for the emaxx) for now though I think the show off for the emaxx is just the two speed shifting non hobbyist probably will whoaa....at that for a long time too bad that dont know about the tamiya high lift with 3 speed. :)

[The_Mini_Me]

Entry level.. Check.

Competitive level?!!!!!
So when are we going to see a new TCP?

Its funny..I still miss the days when Traxxas actually had a racing team and vehicles in electric.And had kits versus only RTR.

[adrcracing]

I think they should have just killed it off because 2WD buggies make terrible bashers (mainly because there are no worthwhile non-track tires for them).










I agree, we need more 2WD buggy tires, but that's no reason to kill the 2WD buggy! That's a reason to make tires...

2WD Buggies are cool for a lot of reasons, they are faster, jump higher, more agile and get longer run times than a ST or MT. Why do you want to kill all that? Cuz they don't make any tires you like? As long as the thing has tires I'll be running it.

[metalry101]

I agree, we need more 2WD buggy tires, but that's no reason to kill the 2WD buggy! That's a reason to make tires...

2WD Buggies are cool for a lot of reasons, they are faster, jump higher, more agile and get longer run times than a ST or MT. Why do you want to kill all that? Cuz they don't make any tires you like? As long as the thing has tires I'll be running it.
If they come out with more tires, I'm cool with that, but I'm not really into a 2WD buggy as a basher. I've got a BK2 that I race at my local track, so I'm cool with buggies...I'm just not into bashing them.

[jocktheglide165]

Entry level.. Check.

Competitive level?!!!!!
So when are we going to see a new TCP?

Its funny..I still miss the days when Traxxas actually had a racing team and vehicles in electric.And had kits versus only RTR.
they have a revo team...

[Ball Racing]

If they come out with more tires, I'm cool with that, but I'm not really into a 2WD buggy as a basher. I've got a BK2 that I race at my local track, so I'm cool with buggies...I'm just not into bashing them.


Thats the whole picture, movie, and book,

people have individual taste,
Everyone likes different toys,

some kids in the offroad sand box, are having better sucess with there their TONKA's right now and their lips moving with air for a better running motor.

This is not all bout a race car or a adult program and being insulted by what they release..

This is about r/c's and fun..
And if your complaining --it's not fun for you- so this car is not for you...

[Racing t]

I would love to see traxxas doing this same re-do but for the e-maxx

[tlt-crawler]

this looks lke it could make a fun sprint car platform! change up the body posts, lower the suspension a bit, and put a sprint car body on it, and i thing it would work just fine on a club level DO scene.

and i also agree with everyone on the e-maxx upgrade. how about ditching the 2 speed for a nice low CG tranny, and maybe, just maybe loose the twin motor set-up for a factory installed mamba maxx system? (or something sensorless...)

or an e-revo would be nice too....

[ElectricThunder]

this looks lke it could make a fun sprint car platform! change up the body posts, lower the suspension a bit, and put a sprint car body on it, and i thing it would work just fine on a club level DO scene.

and i also agree with everyone on the e-maxx upgrade. how about ditching the 2 speed for a nice low CG tranny, and maybe, just maybe loose the twin motor set-up for a factory installed mamba maxx system? (or something sensorless...)

or an e-revo would be nice too....
Or, if that's too expensive, a factory installed Johnson 900 size 5 pole motor....:D If the tranny can take that, it'll be able to take a mamba monster maxx (mamba max is for 1/10 cars...although the ESC coupled with an "L" or larger size motor will work fine too).

[R ole]

I see nothing wrong with a revamp of an old car. Auto makers do it all the time. And no this is not a race buggy, but on the flip side I would like to see traxxas come out with some compeditive 10th stadium trucks. We know they can build stuff that is compeditive. (see revo) I for one would buy it.
When I first bought a rc, I wanted to race. So I bought a losi jr t. I raced RC10ts and JRXTs and I won quite a few races. But then I would go home and bash the heck out of it. Back then I thought traxxas sucked. Then I got out of the hobby. Fast forward 15 years later, a guy at work had a nitro stampede for sale, cheap. So I thought yeah I will try it and sell it for a profit to buy a XXXT. Well, I never sold the pede, now it has a 2.5r, I did buy the XXXT, but the only way I will sell the pede is if I get a brushless pede. My freind (the one that sold me the nitro pede) Got the bug again and bought a e pede and put a MM5700 and its as fast or faster than my 2.5r pede!
To put this all together, traxxas makes great rc vehicles, for me it would be cool if they came out with compeditive electric stuff. I know they focus on what sells, but if they made a st that would win races people would buy it! I would be willing to bet the best selling st and buggies are the ones that win races!