Wow Factor

[Blackmanba]

HI there, there are many technical factors that make your boat go faster, handle better and etc. But I love wow-factor which makes your mates to say "Wow". :eek: Nice stickers, maybe. Hot paint,may be. Actually anything (other than N2O 'cause we have them in other thread at the moment). Would you please show us wow factor of your boat. :rolleyes: Thank you. :)

[Blackmanba]

In the thread "Wildthing.." under the "Nitro/GAS..", Chris LaPanse posted photos of his rocket. That's "Wow :cool: " to me. Any plan to make a RC Rocket Boat?

[Chris LaPanse]

:D

I doubt you'll ever see a boat with that big of a (rocket) motor in it. That would be just too much power to control. A G might be doable though...

That particular motor put out about 150lbs of thrust for 4 seconds. IMO, that's way too much for an RC boat :)

A G64 puts out 15lbs for 2 seconds though - I'd love to see that in a boat.

[Doubledog]

Wow factor to me.....

True craftsmanship. Building more of the parts myself or seeing what someone else has done & not bought. Cash can buy RTR rigs but I'm learning to appreciate a different side. Part of my long Christmas list this year is a mill & lathe. Not just for boat parts, but for playing and experimenting with ideas.:)

[Blackmanba]

Hi Chris, I hope that someone like you one day buid a RC boat with G64. Why not. Hi Doubledog, cool. I wish I had skill like you have then my boat would look hot. You guys tops!! :cool: It's not a RC boat but someone made a VW jet car.
I think it would be possible to make a RC Rocket boat if you two team up.

[Blackmanba]

This guy is now planning to make a moped for his wife. How about drug race like RC Rocket boat vs. RC NOS boat. That is really wow. :)

[Doubledog]

Nah, I'm learning on how to build my own stuff. Haven't done much of anything yet, but will soon. For sure, the wife will be upset if the 2k dollars worth of equipment go unused. :O

---Another part of the Wow factor could be orriginality & not mass produced. Something like the jet scooter up there.

[Chris LaPanse]

Wow factor to me.....

True craftsmanship. Building more of the parts myself or seeing what someone else has done & not bought. Cash can buy RTR rigs but I'm learning to appreciate a different side. Part of my long Christmas list this year is a mill & lathe. Not just for boat parts, but for playing and experimenting with ideas.:)
Have to agree with that :)

Originality is definitely awesome, especially combined with true craftsmanship.

[Blackmanba]

"Originality combined with true craftsmanship" Real wow. I love that. "Copy cat with aweful craftsmanship" That's my starting point. I'll get there one day. :)

[BoatDoc]

how's this for WOW factor? an MHZ micro mono (13.5in) with a Hacker B50 9XL!!! now, if only i could actually fit everything inside... :cool: not really, that's my P-hydro motor, just thought it would make a cool pic when i was at the races.

[Chris LaPanse]

That would be awesome, if you could get it to float with the necessary batteries...

[Blackmanba]

Hi, a red MHZ boat with a purple motor with yellow leads. That is hot even if it never runs. I hope you will sort out all troubles await and be able to run this hot German baby. As there are no RC model boaters around my area, being a RC model boater is my wow to others.

[BoatDoc]

i'm hoping to get some WOW factor out of this boat. i might be breaking a few of the "rules" with it, but how else do you expect to learn and progress, right? the motor will be a lehner, esc will be from BK. the motor will have a right hand offset. we'll see how she turns out. the tub is basically a widened Blizzard X, i used some old pieces for the templates.

[Blackmanba]

Rules are there to be broken. Go for it mate.

[BoatDoc]

this shows the offset motor.

[Blackmanba]

Hi BoatDoc, I admit I know nothing about the Riggers but I guess the off-set motor theory would be beneficial for the course racing. How about off-set riggers? ex ; Left side is wider than other side. I know Indy cars chucked that idea decades ago. I just thought it would be awesome (wow) that a winner had off-set motor and asymmetrical hul set up. Please laugh at me if I'm too stupid. :p Wow is not that easy for one who has no knolege and no skill like me. :eek: :D

[Doubledog]

Boatdoc's reply #10 ....................... OVERKILL. Kinda like taking a howitzer squirrel hunting:D Gotta love it.

[BoatDoc]

Blackmanba-actually you're right on. there is a trick to doing offset booms, and i don't know it! for now i'll be building symetrical sponsons. if my logic is right, a wider left sponson should help with the right hand turns by changing the way the weight of the boat will shift. it should hold the inside sponson down. maybe i'll put that on my list of things to do this winter. the plan is to build 3 or 4 new riggers and test them til i find what i want.

[Blackmanba]

Hi BoatDoc, I love the attitude of try and error till you find what you want. So cool :cool: We'll know nothing till we try. I am, at the moment, trying NosJo's magnet system on my radio box. I had to see myself how it worked. Keep on wow. Thanks. :)

[Blackmanba]

Hi, at "on NOS" under the Nitro/Gas thread, Borxy mentioned a turbo and a supercharger for boat. Wow wow!!! Does anyone have a plan for?

[Fluid]

i might be breaking a few of the "rules" with it, but how else do you expect to learn and progress, right?What "rules" are you breaking? Rigger design is pretty wide open as it is, although there are a few things not to do. While out-of-the-box thinking is great, few of us have sufficient time to test all permutations thoroughly. Checking with a few experienced rigger builders first could save you a lot of time and $$$. For example, I see a couple problems with the boat right now.... :cool:

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[BoatDoc]

jay- go ahead and point 'em out! i trust your opinions, you're one of the few guys out there who can actually back up what he says. (side note...i hear too many people who talk trash but can't build or drive, or make up for those by spending lot's o' cash). if you didn't know what you were doing you'd never have set that P record with a nemesis motor, right? i'm still trying to figure out how you did that. i like my nemesis motors, but i always thought the record holders would be lehner's/hackers/neu's. anywho...i think my sponsons are a bit on the narrow side. thinking about scrapping them. and i haven't decided on a good width yet. i'm set on the wider tub, and offset motor though.

[Burkey1000]

Be carfull about advising people on here anymore. It seems theres alot of newbies came up from no where all of a sudden that tend to think if ya give good solid advice ya just get called for it. Seems we dont know what were talking about despite most of what has been posted and tried with poor results. This forum just isnt what it used to be.

[BoatDoc]

burkey-who/what are you referring too? i'm no newbie myself, i just want to try out some things and get a handle on everything. fairly new to FE, but been running boats for about 11 years. at maybe $30 to scratch out a hull, i'm not too worried about building a few to experiment with (and at that cost, all it really costs me is my time). "fluid" likes the saying "you can lead a horse to water"...well...there's lot's of water holes out there, and i'm sure each horse has different taste buds. plus i like to tinker around with stuff. i guess you could say, that i like to re-invent the wheel. it's just how i do things.

[Fluid]

jay- go ahead and point 'em out!.I didn't mean to imply that the boat was bad - not by any means! But depending on your use for the boat, your sponsons are probably a bit too narrow. For SAW only they might work okay, but for any kind of turning the outboard edges should have some angle to them for a non-trip. I've never had good luck on an oval with square edged sponsons, but they are great for SAW use.

Too, it looks like the angle of attack on the sponsons is a little too shallow - but that might just be the photos. I like to use 5 to 7 degrees at the back of the sponson, measured with the sponsons and the bottom of the strut on a table. If the water is pretty flat or you are not racing in traffic, curve the sponson bottoms with 7-8 degrees at the tips and 4-5 degrees at the back. This helps to pack air under them and lets them float - but only on pretty smooth water.

i'm still trying to figure out how you did that. i like my nemesis motors, but i always thought the record holders would be lehner's/hackers/neu's....Here is the rest of the story. I'm certain that with the right Hacker or Neu I'd have been able to raise the record into the 90s. Unfortunately, my Schulze 18-149 would not run a Neu motor and I didn't have a BARA125 configured. Too, I couldn't find a Hacker in time with the right wind for the boat....so I decided to go as fast as I could with my $70 Nemi! I had 12 old GP3300s in it, so there is probably a bit more in the setup with 4200s - but the next P-rigger I build will hold a Neu and an MGM. I really want into the 90 mph club... :cool:


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[BoatDoc]

ok, jay, you said EXACTLY what i expected! yup, the sponsons are narrow. the photo makes them look like they are flat on the outsides, but they do have some angle. although they are probably more suited to SAW use than oval. in other words...it's a shallow angle. the angle of attack is 1" of rise for 8" of run...don't feel like doing the math. my blizzard X that i've been running has even more than that, but i feel that it's too much. although i like Peter's hull designs, i've learned that the AoA on his hulls is a little shallow, hence now i'm running custom sponsons. as a side note...i may make a set of sponsons with 90 degree sides just for giggle's to see how they work for SAW use. maybe i'll convince the Madison boys it's time for a WI time trial course...but that's a discussion for another day.

and another thing...since you mentioned MGM speedos. are they the OEM? i've noticed that H&M sells a similar esc under their own label and i'm trying to figure out who actually makes 'em. right now i'm sold on BK speedos but those MGM/H&M speedos look tempting. but i also know that the BK's will handle any Lehner you throw at 'em. right now it's a matter of trying to figure out where to spend my $$$ to get the best performance per dollar spent.

[BoatDoc]

[QUOTE=Fluid Checking with a few experienced rigger builders first could save you a lot of time and $$$.
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since you mentioned it...i know the guy that designed the 6 cell rigger for lehner, i think it's just a matter of working on my building skills. i'm a metal worker who's trying to build boats out of wood and carbon. i'm a little out of my league.

[Fluid]

I really like the BK speedos - still have two - but they will not run my Neu motors! I contacted BK and they pretty much said: "too bad".

The MGMs are IMO of a better, more compact design, with two water cooling plates directly on top of the FETs from the factory. The biggest plus for me was the available data logger, easier to set up than the EagleTree system with better data recovery. A friend recently ran a "test" of his MGM in an 8-cell hydro, big Neu motor, huge prop. He ran 6 laps on the 1/10th mile course and brought it in - ESC 130F, motor 145F, cells 195F. The average amp draw for the race was 160 amps, with a peak of over 300! The ESC never skipped a beat. I haven't run mine in an abusive mode yet, but so far so good.

The H&M ESCs are made by MGM Compro.

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[BoatDoc]

"snowman" was running an MGM at the Classic. not a bad controller (in fact, they are excellent controllers). his boats are absolute missles too. he is all about WOW factor :D i spent a lot of time looking over his boats and asking questions. hopefully, over the winter i can put all the little bits i've learned together and start building some better boats. speaking of which, maybe i'll finally finish my P rigger this weekend.

[Blackmanba]

Hi everyone out there :) I'm still trying to get most out of my 12 year old Nitro Mono, 11 year old Nitro Cat and Gas Mono. I fixed my ten year old broken Tx myself this morning and it took me three years.:o I will be like you guys one day and shall have wow. It's a long way though. Ah....

[BoatDoc]

two of my boats are around 15-20 years old...i know the feeling!

[Blackmanba]

Thanks Doc. ;)

[Ron Olson]

Hi Chris, I hope that someone like you one day buid a RC boat with G64. Why not. Hi Doubledog, cool. I wish I had skill like you have then my boat would look hot. You guys tops!! :cool: It's not a RC boat but someone made a VW jet car.
I think it would be possible to make a RC Rocket boat if you two team up.
Did you happen to catch the David Letterman show last night? If you didn't too bad as they showed the car on there and ran it down an airport runway

[Hydro Junkie]

Ya gotta love all these new people. I was actually told to get glasses and reread a post by a total rookie in another forum because she knows more than the moderators and I(with my almost 25 years on the water) about what will and won't work on a Pro Boat Bud. So Doc, any word on the "electoAtlas"?

[BoatDoc]

i guess i could begin working on the atlas again. all the parts are cut, just need to start gluing. i wonder what kind of power it would need? probably 18-24 cells, and a big fat lehner motor and a nice BK controller. ooops...there went next year's racing budget :eek:

[Blackmanba]

Hi Ron, too bad. I missed the show or did not have it on aired here. I wonder whether he has finished making his wife's twin jet scooter or not yet?

[BoatDoc]

HJ- will something like this convince you to try FE???? maiden run will be on sunday, just have to install the steering servo, turn fin and extend the esc signal wire.

[Blackmanba]

Wow!

[Hydro Junkie]

Hmmmmmmmmmm, let me think.....................................NOPE:D
I'm a nitro burner from word go, so what can I say;)

Actually, I'm going to be doing a build thread(or two :D ) in another forum on building 1/8th scale nitro boats, so I "think" FE's are out of the question for now. Besides, between my nitro boats, a couple of R/C airplanes(a modified 54" Kadet Jr, 68" Pitts and a 78" Katana), building a storage barn and paying for a wedding, I can't afford another project :eek: