Brushless motors, how will they affect the hobby.

[Alta-b3racer]

Just looking for opinions on what effect the new brushless motors from Novak may have on the hobby.

[Throtl Hapie]

They will affect the hobby with hype and gimmicks in the line of special batteries and what not for use with the motor. Like always, they will make it expensive some more.

[JoeTheShmoe]

You forgot the special esc that you have to use with them.

[bobcedric]

Isnt the esc integrated into the motor?

[GYRO]

No, circits usually found in the moter are in the Esc. without it, it won't run.

[Kchrpm]

These arent the first brushless motors for R/C cars, I have the Aveox RC7 in my RC10DS at home.
How much are these Novak ones?

[Andy]

I think they will actually make the hobby less expensive in the long run. Nowadays to be competitive you will have to run motors in the range of 12-8 turns (at least with touring cars/sedans). These motors require alot of attention e.g. changing the (soft/high silver content) brushes every other pack or so, cutting the com whenever you change the brushes etc. . Sponsored drivers definitely have an advantage here as at big races they will probaly have access to "unlimited" material (in this case motors) and have specialists tune their motors. With brushless motors I think this will change because these motors will need very little maintanence (at least that´s what I have heard) e.g. no brushes to change, no com to cut. So you might just be able to get yourself the "hot winds" and use them for a whole season or even longer without a big loss in performance.
What I don´t know yet is if these motors are legal for some kind of competion or if there are any plans about legalizing them in the future. Any of you knows something about that ???

[XXXER]

I don't wanna hafta get a new esc and motor, I do have a little bit of a limit on cash, but i would rather get cool hop ups for my car rather than go and get a new motor/esc, And it is like, if i don't, then i will get royally smacked down, so i think that these motors better have a class of their own. I don't mind changing brushes and getting my comm cut, it is just what needs to be done, adn if you don;t like to do that, then get a different compound of brush, that simple(though i get my comm cut every other week and I use 767 brushes)

[XXXER]

I forgot to say, i believe they will be out next summer

[Alta-b3racer]

Yes, Novak expects to have them in production sometime this summer. They are also going to be available in several versions. The less expensive ones will likely have two profiles like the curent Novak ESC,s and the high end systems should be fully programable like the current Cyclones.

[Alta-b3racer]

The Novak motors should be priced about the same as a good ESC and mod motor combo. Novak also says that unlike other brushless motors, most of which are designed for aircraft use, their motors will be very drivable.

[R_C_MAN]

Where can you see pics of these motors. Where did you hear about them, the Novak website?

[Alta-b3racer]

Yes, all the hot info is on the Team Novak web site. Pictures are on the main page and there is a lot of info in the Orange Room, Novak's own message board.

[ILv2Xlr8]

FYI, I looked up prices on Modeltech (www.modeltech.co.uk) brushless motors.
Pro-Race forward and proportional brakes, Brushless Motor Controller: £160.00
Pro-Spec Torque IN-DOOR Kv. 4,500 rpm/volt 84% - 89% Eff: £139.00
UK £ Total: £299.00
Rate: 0.88
US $ Total: $339.75

[Moemphoecious]

It seems as if manufacturers are looking for new ways for us to part with our hard earned cash. It will get expensive.

The introduction of Ni mh killed the mod class at our club, 'cause the majority of racers couldn't keep up with those few guys who could afford the expensive 3000s and 8 or 9 turn motors.

The same shouldn't happen with brushless motors.

I believe that if these brushless things do find their way into the sport, it will probably be as a separate class and run parallel to our exsisting classes.

[HowieStern]

a seperate class?? what for?? how many guys do you know who can use all the power of a brushed 8 turn, let alone all the power of a brushless?? (i am speaking for a dirt off road perspective)... there is no need for them to be seperated off road at all.... and this sport doesn't have enough entries for all the classes right now, let alone after you add more.....

now to the main point.... how will brushless affect the sport...?? well brushless have been out for a long time... how do you think it has been affected?? LOL..... all the systems on the market now are quite pricey, usually quite powerful, but leave a lot to be desired in a useable powerband and size of their esc... and none of them are readily available from your LHS.....

the Novak "should" change most of those problems.... you should be able to drive right down to ur LHS and buy one off the shelf... they will probably (hopefully?) be at least 30% cheaper than the closest competitor... and hopefully they will have sweet powerbands and small cyclone size esc's...

we'll see i guess...

peace out.... :)

[otherguy]

Are all brushless motors modified, or are they making a stock version, or can they make a stock version.

[LosiMan3456]

The biggest question I have is how am I and other people in my position supposed to pay for this? I am only 12!

[greg_in_michigan]

Hmmmm. I am 15 and I am going to get one after X-mas. Hopefully I will have about $300 so I can buy some batteries as well. I suspect it will cost $200 or $250. I plan to get the best one if it is not too costly. I beleive this one is 51K RPM? Little Rustler is going to LOVE it. hehe. Now all I need is to find some more carbon fiber and I will have a very sweet and fast Rustler on my hands.

[TRF414m]

I think it will change the hobby for the better. The current brushless motors aren't practical for sedans or buggies because of the power curve and price. The new Novak brushless system is hopefully going to change all that and also be priced the same as current ESCs and motors. Not having to cut comms & change brushes will save you money alone and you eventually have to replace the armature with regular motors as well. Brushless is almost maintanace free and will be much more efficent so you can play longer for the same price. How can that be a bad thing.

The fact is, we've all been used to buying very old technology and have become used to it. I think, in a few years, other manufacturers will have to step up and go brushless.

[rcdave3]

I can't wait for the brushless motors from Novak to come out....I went to Modeltechs web site and they are pretty proud of their stuff....I have an E-Maxx though and I want the dual motor driveshaft breaking version!!!:D

I think it will be good for the hobby in the long run, sure they are expensive now...but so were DVD's when they first came out..;)

[InspGadgt]

I think it will be a great thing for the industry. Granted at first it will seem to hurt as people allready equipt with the ESC and Motor of their choice will not want to go out and buy one just to stay competitive with the "Jones's" But as I see it we are allready pushing the limits of tire adhesion and suspension grip running these 8 to 10 turn motors with 3000mah batteries. I don't see having a brushless as all that major of an advantage on the track because of this. But off the track the advantages are there...mainly less maintenance.