Novak Velociti 3.5R brushless motor

[PeterV]

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THE FIFTH AND FASTEST VELOCITI MOTOR: THE 3.5R
Irvine, CA – July 20, 2006 — Just when you thought you had the fastest motor, a new one comes along that’s even faster. Such is the case with Novak’s Velociti 3.5R Racing Brushless Motor (#3403). The 3 1/2-turn brushless motor is the fifth and fastest motor to be released in Novak’s Velociti-series motors, superseding the wicked fast Velociti 4.5R Racing Brushless Motor (#3404). The Velociti 3.5R is not only Novak’s fastest brushless motor to date, it is one of the fastest motors on the market — brushed or brushless. The Velociti 3.5R is available for purchase separately (#3403), or as a system (#3000) factory-wired to the GTB Racing Programmable Brushless/Brush ESC.

NICKEL-PLATED FOR A SILVER LINING
So what makes the Velociti 3.5R even faster than the Velociti 4.5R? For one, its low, 3 1/2 turns produces higher top speeds. Another factor is its exclusively designed Nickel-plated Sintered Neodymium rotor. This new high-performance rotor is different from the original Velociti rotor, and provides many benefits including:

 Significantly increased magnetic strength
 Improved, stronger motor braking power
 Improved performance in higher temperature conditions
 Improved motor acceleration and power
 Higher efficiency
 Lower current draw
 Nickel-plated for a long lasting smooth clean finish

In short, the new Novak Nickel-plated Sintered Neodymium rotor is a power upgrade for Velociti-series motors. It is ideal for use with any and all applications, whether it’s for racing or bashing.
The Nickel-plated Sintered Neodymium rotor comes standard with the Velociti 3.5R Brushless Motor. It can also be purchased separately as an accessory item (#5908) for the following products: Velociti-series motors, SS13.5 (#3413), Crawler (#3418), and for SS5800 (#3400) and SS4300 (#3401) motors that have had the Velociti upgrade end bell installed. No modifications to the motor or ESC are needed. Simply remove the standard rotor and install the new rotor.

HIGH-VELOCITI STANDARDS
While the Velociti 3.5R Brushless Motor looks just like the Velociti 4.5R, the differences, however, are noticeable behind the wheel. Like all Velociti-series motors, the 3.5R motor is compatible with Novak’s GTB Racing Programmable Brushless/Brush ESC. It measures the same dimensions as all of the other Velociti motors, and sports the lightweight aluminum ribbed end bells and improved solder tab system as the Velociti 4.5R.
Like all Novak brushless motors, the Velociti 3.5R is designed and manufactured in the U.S.A. Each motor is factory hand-wound and is put through rigorous testing, including a final dyno test to ensure that each Velociti motor meets Novak’s rigid specifications.
The Velociti 3.5R comes equipped with all of the great standard Novak quality features you’ve come to expect, including an oversized front bearing for increased load handling and longer bearing life. The Novak Velociti motors are specifically designed for R/C vehicles, are sensor-based for excellent braking and low-speed driveability, and have low cogging, provide longer run-times than brushed motors. Additional features include thermal overload protection, and a virtually maintenance-free design. The Velociti 3.5R motor has not yet been submitted for ROAR approval.
The #3403 Velociti 3.5R Brushless Motor and the #3000 GTB/Velociti Brushless System 3.5 are scheduled to ship September 2006.

GTB/VELOCITI BRUSHLESS SYSTEM RECOMMENDED APPLICATIONS
 #3000 GTB/Velociti 3.5R System is ideal for customers wanting the fastest brushless motor and for top-level competition touring car applications.
 #3001 GTB/Velociti 4.5R System is ideal for competition touring car applications.
 #3002 GTB/Velociti 5.5R System is ideal for touring car and high-traction off-road applications.
 #3003 GTB/Velociti 6.5R System is ideal for off-road and low-traction applications and faster than Velociti 7.5R.
 #3007 GTB/Velociti 7.5R System is ideal for off-road and low-traction applications.

INCLUDED ITEMS
#3403 Velociti 3.5R Racing Brushless Motor: Velociti 3.5R Racing Brushless Motor, instructions and 120-day warranty.
#3000 GTB/Velociti Brushless System 3.5: Includes GTB Racing Brushless/Brush ESC factory wired to a Velociti 3.5R Racing Brushless Motor, factory-installed ESC heat sink, factory-installed cooling fan, factory-installed power capacitor, instructions, spiral wrap, tie wraps, mounting tape, decal, and 120-day warranty.

RETAIL PRICE INFORMATION
 #3403 Velociti 3.5R Racing Brushless Motor $129.00
 #3000 GTB/Velociti Brushless System 3.5 $475.00
 #5908 Velociti Nickel-Plated Sintered Rotor $37.95
 #5413 Velociti Motor Sleeve Heat Sink-Black $19.95
 #5414 Velociti Motor Sleeve Heat Sink-Purple $19.95
 #5415 Velociti Motor Sleeve Heat Sink-blue $19.95

VELOCITI 3.5R BRUSHLESS MOTOR FEATURES
 NEW high-performance Nickel-plated Sintered Neodymium rotor
 NEW Increased motor acceleration
 NEW Increased braking power
 NEW Improved performance in high-temperature conditions
 Oversized front bearing for increased load handling and bearing life
 Sensor-based for excellent braking and low-speed driveability
 Lightweight, ribbed end bells
 Lowest possible copper loss (3.1 m phase to phase resistance)
 Provides approximately 20% longer run-times compared to brushed motors
 Specifically designed for R/C vehicles
 Direct-Solder Wiring Tabs
 Virtually maintenance-free
 Thermal Overload Protection
 Low cogging
 Factory hand-wound and race-tuned
 Developed and manufactured in the USA by Novak with over 28 years experience in product design and customer support

VELOCITI 3.5R BRUSHLESS MOTOR SPECS
 Turns: 3.5
 Design: Sensor-based
 Input Voltage: 4-6 cells (1.2 volts/cell)
 Magnet: Nickel-plated, Sintered, high-strength Neodymium
 Watts: 490
 KV (unloaded) 10,500 RPM/Volt
 Motor Size: 540 Size: 2.08” L X 1.41” D (52.8 x 35.8 mm)
 Motor Weight: 6.61 oz. (187 grams)
 Shaft Diameter: 0.125” (3.2 mm) [accepts all existing pinion gears]
 Bearing Size: 1/2” x 3/16” (12.7x4.8mm)
 Protection: Thermal

[NitroCrackers]

kool

[JCSS]

The 4.5 is just crazy fast, I can only imagine how fast the 3.5 will be.

[chilly4kc]

I'm waiting for the 0.5 motor! :D

[NitroCrackers]

only thing i have to throw this in is my tt-01

[EvaderRacer76]

omg, that is amazing! with my 7.4v Lipo battery, that motor will get up to about 77,700 unloaded rpm!!!

what is the Kv for the 4.5 motor? If I directly drop this into my 4.5 can, will it be just as fast as if I bought the whole motor? or is there a difference besides the rotor, like inside the can?

This motor is gonna kick!!!

[ElectricThunder]

omg, that is amazing! with my 7.4v Lipo battery, that motor will get up to about 77,700 unloaded rpm!!!

what is the Kv for the 4.5 motor? If I directly drop this into my 4.5 can, will it be just as fast as if I bought the whole motor? or is there a difference besides the rotor, like inside the can?

This motor is gonna kick!!!
The 3.5 probably has a KV of around 8000-9000 under load (just a shot in the dark). So it'll be spinning that number under load probably...:D

Dropping the new sintered rotor into the 4.5 can will just give you more torque, better acceleration, and better efficiency. It won't be as fast as a 3.5 because it's still a 4.5 turn motor, but with the new rotor, you will probably have better power so you can possibly gear a tooth or two higher for more speed without losing acceleration.

I'd also like to say crap... I just bought a rotor upgrade for my 5800..now I gotta get ANOTHER rotor... :rolleyes: ;)

(why does the second pic look to be a nickel plated HV maxx rotor...:p)

[jocktheglide165]

oh im assuming they are gonna get a 2.5 t hen 1.5 then finally a .5 turn is that possible? the .5 turn probably cost us 500 dollars and is only for the faint of heart...LOL...

[ErikRC10]

technically it shouldn't cost anymroe if not less because it uses less wire and everything else would be the same. I'm not sure on the specs on the GTB but the LRP Sphere Comp. can only handle down to a 3.5 turn motor so anything lower then that owuld be out of the question.

[ElectricThunder]

technically it shouldn't cost anymroe if not less because it uses less wire and everything else would be the same. I'm not sure on the specs on the GTB but the LRP Sphere Comp. can only handle down to a 3.5 turn motor so anything lower then that owuld be out of the question.
It probably isn't using less wire in the sense that the wire gauge is probably thicker, or there's multiple strands of slightly smaller gauge wire. The GTB is rated by Novak to have "no motor limit". So perhaps....we may see that 1.5...;)

(What is novak going to do once they exhaust all their turn options? I noticed they have this new sintered rotor...so are they just going to tweak all the existing motors?)

[jocktheglide165]

that dont look like the can on towerhobbies site....?????

[gixxer]

Sounds like Nitro speeds. I think i'm sold on this.

[CharlieS]

I don't see a 2.5 or a 1.5 in the future actually. Most race cars out there now, can't fit the correct gearing for the 3.5. It's a very high rpm setup.;

We ran a 3.5 and the GTB, with a regular GP3700 battery pack (Novak Gold Pack) in a Xray T2 geared 84/29 to a speed of 70+. I think it was 77. I don't have my notes.

Just got home from the Car Action worlds fastest runs, it was a blast. The 70+ run was not our fastest, I'll let Peter and the boys let that one out of the bag. It involves 3 digits........ :)

Thanks for putting on the event, it was a great time, and we saw some ballistic fast rides.

[jocktheglide165]

I don't see a 2.5 or a 1.5 in the future actually. Most race cars out there now, can't fit the correct gearing for the 3.5. It's a very high rpm setup.;

We ran a 3.5 and the GTB, with a regular GP3700 battery pack (Novak Gold Pack) in a Xray T2 geared 84/29 to a speed of 70+. I think it was 77. I don't have my notes.

Just got home from the Car Action worlds fastest runs, it was a blast. The 70+ run was not our fastest, I'll let Peter and the boys let that one out of the bag. It involves 3 digits........ :)

Thanks for putting on the event, it was a great time, and we saw some ballistic fast rides.
wow charlie thats impressive man just slap a motor in and you got 70mph man I cant wait till this 3.5 comes out then....oh off topic slightly whats release date on HV 4.5? :D :D I preordered two of them aready at towerhobbies

[superspeed]

3.5, 2.5, 1.5, .... nuts, why don't we all just run drag r/c cars... lol

[jocktheglide165]

3.5, 2.5, 1.5, .... nuts, why don't we all just run drag r/c cars... lol
yeah that would be funny man... :p

[EvaderRacer76]

hey how do you guys think this motor will compare to the mamba max system with the 7700 motor?

[Old Sloppy]

The GTB is rated by Novak to have "no motor limit". So perhaps....we may see that 1.5...;)

(What is novak going to do once they exhaust all their turn options?


Hi Guys,

The GTB rating is based on all present motors existing.

Not motors that will come out in the future.

Novaks future motors may draw more current than a GTB can handle.

So Novak will just design a "GTB 2", with higher amp specs.

Once all the turn options are exhausted, Novak will design a larger can size.

I race FE Boats also, Lehner makes many larger sizes of motors.

I watched Wilmer set the world record at Blue Lake in Valdosta, Georgia ( L mono ) with a Novak brushless setup on 4 cells. Last March.

Novak Rocks....

[ElectricThunder]

That means ROAR would have to change their rules to allow larger motors, which would also entail many rc cars to be designed (larger motor means more weight, which will throw off the balance of many RC cars and trucks).

I think all the velociti motors were designed with the GTB in mind, and I'm sure they planned this all from the beginning so that the GTB would be compatible with all their racing motors.

It would be nice to see a newer, more powerful ESC though...:D

[Rtsbasic]

When they run out of winds, they'll do what every other company has to do: innovate. Be it changes to the windings, size of motor/rotor, materials used, can design, etc. These days a motor is often limited by the battery anyway. I personally have no doubt they already have a "GTB V2" on the drawing boards in the R&D dept with features like computer programmability, better motor power tuning, wider range of voltages, built in LVC, reduced unit size/weight, etc, but there is no sense in releasing a new esc when it won't increase sales over the existing one from a business point of view.

One thing Novak could improve on is their warranty. 120 day warranty for a product ment to last years? Certain other big companies *cough* Mtroniks, Castle Creations *cough* have warranty that lasts longer, in Mtroniks case they replaced a worn out motor over 1yr old for free last month for me.

[gixxer]

I don't see a 2.5 or a 1.5 in the future actually. Most race cars out there now, can't fit the correct gearing for the 3.5. It's a very high rpm setup.;

We ran a 3.5 and the GTB, with a regular GP3700 battery pack (Novak Gold Pack) in a Xray T2 geared 84/29 to a speed of 70+. I think it was 77. I don't have my notes.

Just got home from the Car Action worlds fastest runs, it was a blast. The 70+ run was not our fastest, I'll let Peter and the boys let that one out of the bag. It involves 3 digits........ :)

Thanks for putting on the event, it was a great time, and we saw some ballistic fast rides.


Is that 6 or 7 cells? How to gear a TC4 for good speeds?

[ElectricThunder]

The GTB is rated for 6 only, so I would say they probably used a good 6 cell pack. It's also probably over geared since Charlie mentions that most TCs out there can't quite adjust the gearing to properly gear the 3.5R.

Novak needs to revamp the HV series now with a new speedo (as in, get that amp/wattage capability UP there). Yes, they have the HV4.5 coming out, but I believe Charlie said it was still the same ESC (probably because of the new rotor, the motor won't draw as many amps as if it used a rotor similar to the original HV4400).

Anyways.............!

[desfjr1300]

Novak's just determined to smash my cars into itty bitty pieces. I've been very impressed with the 5.5-it has not failed to break at least one part every time I run it.
Can't wait for the destruction the 3.5 will wreak! Come to poppa!

BTW-Looks like the mamba 7700's got some catching up to do!

[jessnlaurie]

NOVAK?Hoo Raa
I don't think so,Castles Mamba max has been released.Just ordered one, much better than novak and cheaper Too.IMO ($184 shipped from BPP)Compared to $230.
Castel has been doin brushless for longer,and there customer service is night and day compared to No Vak.I hear nothing but bad about burnt up No Vak contollers,At my track.(Several cases :()
I own two of their RX's when the won't repair a nicked antenna out side of 120 days,But they take It back just to sell it back to you for $45 bones sucks!
Jr Synth. RX Are Free to repair for TWO YEARS!!
Give CC a try I own four of their mini mambas and they rock.
Why Is every body In love with NO Vak's S**T????
Please Chime in If you know somthing I don't,that makes No Vak "Special" over all other brushless Co.'s
CC Is not the best,But for the price they Cant be beat.IMO

[desfjr1300]

I'm a mamba fan too. But here's the cold hard facts. 3.5=75600 rpm @ 7.2 volts. Mamba 7700=55440 @ 7.2 volts. If you could run the Mamba on a 3 cell lipo it would eat the Novak, but 2 cells are the max, pardon the pun.
The Mamba's adjustability is hard to beat, though.

[jocktheglide165]

I'm a mamba fan too. But here's the cold hard facts. 3.5=75600 rpm @ 7.2 volts. Mamba 7700=55440 @ 7.2 volts. If you could run the Mamba on a 3 cell lipo it would eat the Novak, but 2 cells are the max, pardon the pun.
The Mamba's adjustability is hard to beat, though.
thats true, but easability is a plus...thats why I havent gone to senorless yet..once they come out with a one push button (im a dummy trust me) like novaks Im all in....for mamba...and any other ones...

[kvector]

...Just ordered one, much better than novak and cheaper Too.IMO ($184 shipped from BPP)Compared to $230...
Link?

[JakeE]

disregard

[jessnlaurie]

Link?
Don't know how to link,but the web site is wwwbishoppowerproducts.com
Check it out!

[oldschooler]

NOVAK?Hoo Raa
I don't think so,Castles Mamba max has been released.Just ordered one, much better than novak and cheaper Too.IMO ($184 shipped from BPP)Compared to $230.
Castel has been doin brushless for longer,and there customer service is night and day compared to No Vak.I hear nothing but bad about burnt up No Vak contollers,At my track.(Several cases :()
I own two of their RX's when the won't repair a nicked antenna out side of 120 days,But they take It back just to sell it back to you for $45 bones sucks!
Jr Synth. RX Are Free to repair for TWO YEARS!!
Give CC a try I own four of their mini mambas and they rock.
Why Is every body In love with NO Vak's S**T????
Please Chime in If you know somthing I don't,that makes No Vak "Special" over all other brushless Co.'s
CC Is not the best,But for the price they Cant be beat.IMO
Dude how can you expect Novak to replace a nicked antenna that obviously isnt there fault. You bought it knowing it has a 120 day warranty it says it on the side of the box. I too have a JR radio and I bought this because of the warranty. you wonteven think about running the CC stuff in a Roar race right now its not sensored>> . I really dont know how long CC has been around but I know Novak had a brushless 540 motor in the works many years ago. Charlie can back me on this one but Im think at least 5 yrs maybe longer. I have been running my 4.5R in my T3 for a month now in the 95 degree + and it works flawless never thermals and is no more than warm to the touch 123 deg average to 136 at the most. Not trying to slam CC or nothing because they make good products and back them well but my mamba setup in my rc18mt cogged bad all the time even with matched 1200 cells. not even decent enough to race with all the cogging, fast as H3ll!!! when it was running wide open . Have you even tried a Novak system or is it just all hear say that your hearing?? WELL!!!! :D

[jessnlaurie]

Dude how can you expect Novak to replace a nicked antenna that obviously isnt there fault. You bought it knowing it has a 120 day warranty it says it on the side of the box. I too have a JR radio and I bought this because of the warranty. you wonteven think about running the CC stuff in a Roar race right now its not sensored>> . I really dont know how long CC has been around but I know Novak had a brushless 540 motor in the works many years ago. Charlie can back me on this one but Im think at least 5 yrs maybe longer. I have been running my 4.5R in my T3 for a month now in the 95 degree + and it works flawless never thermals and is no more than warm to the touch 123 deg average to 136 at the most. Not trying to slam CC or nothing because they make good products and back them well but my mamba setup in my rc18mt cogged bad all the time even with matched 1200 cells. not even decent enough to race with all the cogging, fast as H3ll!!! when it was running wide open . Have you even tried a Novak system or is it just all hear say that your hearing?? WELL!!!! :D


First off, novak should charge a fee to replace the antenna.Jr will do this outside there looong warranty period.Novak on the other hand will make you send in the rx,then make you buy either the new or refurbished rx in place of yours.Which by the way costs $45.
Then the just repair the antenna and sell it to the next sucker that's got a nicked antenna for another $45.Can you spell GREED
I just got back a rx from jr that I had sent in for a complety severed antenna
Cost me a whole $9 for them to replace the wire and ship it back,thats It!
I have 12 synthesized rx(2 novak),I'm sorry I ever bought novak from the start.
As far as the BL goes one of the guys I race against has sent in his system 3 times due to problems,once it even went up in smoke WOW.
That is proof enough for me.No vak No thanks!

[jocktheglide165]

As far as the BL goes one of the guys I race against has sent in his system 3 times due to problems,once it even went up in smoke WOW.
That is proof enough for me.No vak No thanks!
well theres always a complaint an any product i can still recal and still am how other brushless companies take nearly 4 months to get back to you to replace a system as opposed to novak getting back with you from sending it in to getting it back in under 2 weeks...thats with response time and all unlike other manufactures...so we can bash and bash all we want every company has its perks and negs.....lets just stick with talking with about the 3.5r here.......I still cant wait till it comes out :D

[desfjr1300]

Ditto! Just need to find a car capable of taking the abuse!

[gixxer]

Just ordered one from Tower Hobbies since they have in stock :) Any advice on gearing? I'd be happy if this thing goes 60mph in my FT TC3 with 6-cells :D I'll get the gun out and can keep everyone posted.

[jocktheglide165]

Just ordered one from Tower Hobbies since they have in stock :) Any advice on gearing? I'd be happy if this thing goes 60mph in my FT TC3 with 6-cells :D I'll get the gun out and can keep everyone posted.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA you sure...?
why yes they do....yippiee....