chaos cars. Those things r awesome

[sportmaxx91]

Anyone else seen one of those choas buggys? THey r 1/16 scale AND they r nitro powered. That has to be the smallest nitro vehicle i have ever seen. DOes anyone have one of these? If so how do they drive. THey look really cool

[paperclipracer]

i drove one.. and there slow!!!!! and sloppy on the stearing and such. Only can be run at 30% nitro to boot.

[LD3Furious]

I have one, and disagree on the slow comment. Well, maybe in general, but considering it's size I think mine gets up on top pretty quickly...maybe 20-25 mph. Ive only run a couple tanks on it so far. I am having a problem keeping it running. Paper, where do you get your info that it can only be run on 30%? Im just curious cause Im currently using 20 with an O.S A3 plug and wonder if this may be a part of my problem. {P.S- I glanced through, but never fully read the manual :o **It feels like the bottom is way rich...but there's no bottom needle on the carb. It will start up after a few tugs, and I can run it for maybe a minute or two, then it just cuts off...usually as I am coming off off of the throttle as it is winding down. It could be a clutch issue too, as there is a loud clang like noise coming from either the engine or the center shafts...Im not sure yet where given I have run it so little. A few things about it...
1) The Rx antennae is WAYYY too long. And the tube does not stay in it's holder. The tube issue can be fixed easily, but you also have to be concious of how close it is to the P/S. I have knocked the tube out a few times while trying to start it up.
2) Friggen Phillips screws HAVE NO PLACE ON AN R/C!!! Period...nuff said.
3) I truly dislike the screw on cap for the fuel tank. Why not use a "normal" spring loaded cap so we can refuel without taking the body off??? SW dropped the ball here.
4) This is just me being super picky but...the shock shafts should be silver, or "chrome". They are black steel and I may be wrong, but I feel that this makes them bind some on the o-rings, where other RCs don't because of the "slickness" of the polished, silver shafts. I may try to polish them myself sometime to see if I can feel a diference.
There's probably a few other things, but I need to see/hold it to try and remember. All in all, I think it is pretty cool...and this really says a lot, since Im totally not into the whole mini craze

[balang_479]

The car cutting out problem is that you need to set the idle higher.. if it cuts off when you leg go of the throttle its because of that. try to up the idle and even if it is too much add a bit of brake from the servo.

[rs4 rally boi]

can u post a link? im trying to find it on google.

[rs4 rally boi]

Never mind i found it (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=SWK1400) :D
just incase ne 1 else wants to look

[^j!nx^]

www.2hweelhobbies.com carry the Vulcans

[sportmaxx91]

There car seems so small. I wouldn't thik it would be good at off road at all. How does it do in grass? short and tall?

[rs4 rally boi]

There car seems so small. I wouldn't thik it would be good at off road at all. How does it do in grass? short and tall?
i was thinkin the same thing actualy. it seems like it would just constantyl bottom out. still kewl tho :D

[^j!nx^]

i was thinkin the same thing actualy. it seems like it would just constantyl bottom out. still kewl tho :D

I have the duratrax vendetta(best band for the buck r/c in my opinion) and it goes on the grass, and jumps very very well. It does bottom out on really big jumps(like the table top at the bmx track) but I have yet to bust anything because of bottoming out. So I think the 1/16ths should beable to run fairly good on grass, and handle jumps pretty good.

[Killerush]

I have one and they suck in the grass, great in dirt though. I also disagree about them being slow, for wht it is this little buggy is quick! If the buggy is cutting out try plugging the pressure line from the exhasut(it is actually recommended in the manual if you have idleing probs). The manual also states no less than 30% nitro. The only thing I don't like about it is the tires, no foams from the factory and they are WAY too soft so they wear out quickly. I am not new to nitro by any means(I have over a dozen cars, trucks and buggies) and I was pretty impressed with this little buggy. One tank break-in and you are ready to bash, how much easier can nitro get?!!!

[LD3Furious]

Yeah, I knew about the "plug the exhaust" trick and tried it but that didn't help. I have yet to be able to try 30%, even though I do have it. Weather here has been atrocious lately and the pull start @hit the bed on me so I have to see if I can get one somewhere.

[nitrohouse]

We have sold several, and have only had one call back, and he called to say that he really liked it.

I have tuned one in for someone, and I was surprised how quick the little bugger is. I did notice that it was a bit finicky at first, but as it broke in, it started running alot better.

I wasn't a fan of the Micro Nitro's at first, but now I'm seriously considering getting one myself...

[5 Pack]

I've had my Chaos for about... oh three maybe four weeks now. And just got the current issue of RCCA (with a review of the Chaos) in the mail earlier this week. I seriously have to wonder if they were reviewing a different model then what I received. I bought the Chaos for my wife (it was her choice), but as I'm the resident "RC expert" guess who gets to have all the wrenching fun. The Chaos represents my first nitro RC and let me tell you it's been less then a pleasant experience. And I've got a veritable laundry list of things that fall into the bogus category.

Electronics – Transmitter SUCKS!!! Bulky and cheap (think toy store special) looking. And neither myself, my wife or my 8 year old boy were able to find a comfortable grip. The RX is VERY glitch prone. The stock TX got swapped out fast for one of my AE ones which still proved glitchy enough that it torqued me off enough to order some Spektrum gear. Finally while we’re waiting for the Spektrum to arrive I pulled out my Traxxas TQ-3 and that seams to have resolved the glitches. And yes I did try different xstals, counting the ones that came with the Chaos I’ve got 5 sets and tried all but one of them. Even the ones that I use (without issue) with my RC18MT gave me problems. The antenna tube mount is very loose… so much so that I wrapped a small piece of scotch tape around the tube as a shim.

Suspension – WAY, way... soft. I’ve been (trying) to run on the grass and walking path in my front yard. It will bottom out onto the walkway as it drops 2 maybe 3 inches off the grass. Nice silvery gouges in the blue anodized chassis, mostly the last third.

Driveline – The differential out drives are screwed in, WITHOUT threadlock. This little gem became apparent when I lost drive power even though the engine was running strong. The right rear came loose, twice now. And it’s only a matter of time before the right front lets go. Plus the drive cup in front of the brake rubs the tank because it wobbles slightly.

Fuel system – The fuel tank and line are prone to air leaks. Even the tank side of the pressure line leaks. The fuel and pressure line are routed over the throttle/brake linkage. While this hasn’t appeared to cause binding yet, it may only be a matter of time.

At this point our Chaos is pretty much out of service until we get some threadlock and I can go through a complete tear-down, and while we wait for the Spektrum gear. Maybe Sportwerks should have called this thing the “Aggravation!”

[Ball Racing]

Any rtr requires thread lock, and a decent radio...
Thats just a given....

[Brian23]

i think it is a bit expected for a mini to bottom out easily especialy because its nitro its probably heaviever and the shocks are tiny

[tmacfan4321]

ill go for the zeronine before id ever buy this

[Dan The Mann]

i have the vulcan and ive stripped 4 diffs so far... its gone tomorrow

[5 Pack]

Any rtr requires thread lock, and a decent radio...
Thats just a given....

Not true on either account. I've got an E-Maxx and an Associated RC18B and an RC18MT, all with the stock electronics and never had a glitching problem. Granted they aren't nitro and that might be a unique nature of the beast (like I said before this is my first encounter with nitro). While the AE and Traxxas units will never qualify as high end I would definitely call them "decent." And as far as the threadlock the same comparison applies to my other rigs. Again... Nitro noob here. Although I've grown wise to nitro's needing threadlock... even before getting the Chaos. But that's not my point with the threadlock. My point here is that threadlock was obviously used on the set screws in the stop collars for the throttle/brake linkage. BUT not on the diff outdrives!



i think it is a bit expected for a mini to bottom out easily especialy because its nitro its probably heaviever and the shocks are tiny

Yes, I would say that it is definitely heavier then other (electric) mini’s, but to call the shocks tiny you need to compare them to something. And relative to the rest of the Chaos they seam plenty big. But either the springs are to soft or the shock oil to light weight or both.



ill go for the zeronine before id ever buy this

I was thinking about getting one of those while I was cursing at the Chaos but I think I'll just step up to a nitro 1/10 ST or an MT next time around.

[5 Pack]

So, a while ago I received the Spektrum DX3 gear that we ordered. The standard rx (the SR3000) is smaller then the Choas's stock unit by almost half. But the micro rx (SR3500) is TINY! The micro rx is less then half the size of the SR3000. That micro rx is going into our RC18B. Racers of all scales looking to shave every possible ounce/gram might want to look into the SR 3500. But I digress...

I disassembled the Chaos... about the only thing I didn't pull apart was the engine. And cleaned it before reassembling it while I attempted to address some of the problems I’ve noted.

I put some Losi 40wt into the shocks, which helped stiffen up the suspension a bit. Couldn’t get a real feel to see if it solved the bottoming out because of other issues, but I’m still thinking some (slightly) stronger springs are in order.

Put in the Spektrum SR3000 glitches are GONE! Added bonus, part of the rx setup (aka binding) process is setting the failsafe conditions if ever you run the thing out of range (highly unlikely with this scale) or your tx batteries dump.

The other problem that I tried to address was the diffs, specifically their outdrives. Unfortunately the entire diff is made out of plastic, even the outdrive cups. The tube of threadlock that I picked up says “not recommended for plastic” so I tried an alternative… Some of the wife’s fingernail polish. It’s holding the screw into the drive cup real well… But it didn’t have any affect on holding it onto the diff outdrive itself. I can’t imagine that it’s because I didn’t let it set up as it had all night and almost half a day to dry before I took it out to run.

One new thing that I noted during reassembly was that some combination of the engine mounts or chassis screw slots are out of whack as about the only way I could get the gear mesh even close to correct was to put it as far inboard as I could. Which I still would have liked to get a couple of more hairs of adjustment out of it.

After all that I was only able to get about a half tank burned through before I noticed that the right rear outdrive had come loose for the final-straw time. So I haven’t even attempted to sort out the air leaks in the fuel lines or the throttle linkage being bound up by the tube routing (which I was able to confirm that it is … when the body is on).

As of now I’ve pretty much declared that thing indefinitely out of commission whilst I attempt to contact Sportwerks and see if they are working on (at least) the diff problems.

Side note – Anybody got a good contact for Sportwerks? The “Contact Sportwerks” link on the bottom of their page only gets me an e-mail address, which in turn only gets me an auto reply saying more or less that the link in no good.

[Superdood]

sportwerks is a horizon hobby manufacturer you have to contact horizon hobby for info.

[5 Pack]

Superdood - Actually I already had sent an e-mail to Horizon, just before your post.

And to Horizons credit they've told me that they will send me replacement differentials. Once they arrive we shall see if this can keep the Chaos off the disabled list...

[RCMadMatt]

The problems with the Chaos sound a lot like the teething problems that people had with the Losi MLST when it first hit the shelves. Mine stripped the center diff, rear diff (X2!), wheel hexes, etc. Horizon sent me the new parts I needed very quickly, and it's running well now with brushless power and 11.1v lipo!! :)
Have faith in the little buggy. It will get straightened out!

Matt

[5 Pack]

Finally got all the parts in the other day. No hack on Horizon there, they were very prompt in replying to my e-mails and more then willing to send out parts. Mail just tends to be slow in getting to me.

Anyway, installed the parts and made ready for (hopefully) some fun.

:mad: :mad: :mad: And did I mention that I was :mad: The right rear failed yet AGAIN! As I've yet to fully inspect the parts it looks the screw stripped out of the output shaft as opposed to the previous occasions where the drive cup itself failed.

I'll contact Horizon again... But I'm really not liking the chaos right now.