View Full Version : how to light your body on FIRE!!
extremetmaxxer
03-02-2006, 01:01 AM
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you wanted it now its here! go check it out!
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Cesarjjc
03-02-2006, 02:54 AM
WOW thank you very very much. Only if you knew how many bodies a mess up trying this litter technique. :) :) :) :D :D
graantje
03-02-2006, 04:14 PM
This is my first post and the only thing i can say is that this is a
Giga-Mega-good step-by-step.
Thans for the explanation. :D
suckfish
03-03-2006, 01:09 PM
awesome job.. cant wait to give it a try...
extremetmaxxer
03-05-2006, 12:30 AM
Fire, mans eternal quest to capture and control the raging energy that confines its self within. To first paint fire you have to understand exactly what it is, although I find it a little hard to define its merely a very hot gas rising rapidly so the shapes should be fluid, organic and random. Using a good reference is the key to getting the fire right, take some snapshots of your barbeque after you poured in a bottle of lighter fluid, check around on the internet for reference photos and pick the kind of fire you like, whether it be hot and raging, a cooler tumbling fire or maybe a big explosive like fire they can all be rendered using these basic principles.
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Step 1. At this stage we’ll figure out our colors and materials.
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To achieve this pattern and effect two kinds of paints are used from the same manufacturer. For this demo I’m going to use House of Kolor, but this effect can be achieved with Spazsticks line of paints, when using Faskolor (auto air) the candy’s that they sell are semi transparent and do not give you the see through qualities of a good candy. When using faskolor or auto air try doing only the pattern, the semi transparent nature of the paint will muddy the effect. (Always take caution when using urethane paints. That means a good respirator and very good ventilation) it is these opaque and transparent (candy) paints that will achieve the effect of dimension and depth.
The other material used is the free hand shield and the gray scuff it pad (600 grit). The free hand shield can either be bought from your local art supply store or it can be hand made. To make the shield cut out the wheel well of the body and use that scrap piece of lexan as material, draw some flowing random shapes around the wheel well (what ever shapes your in the mood for!). Then with an x-acto knife score around the edges of your markings and snap off the excess, both sides can be used, and the more free hand shields you have the more random your flames will be.
Another small thing that I’ve noticed when doing this technique, is the over spray from the paint, you’ll notice the paint will group together from the static electricity and these will leave odd blotches in your black portions of the paint job, to remedy this I use a tack rag or in a pinch just a paper towel to wipe it all off, just make sure your paint is nice and dry before you wipe it! lol
Step 2. To begin I mask of the windows and scuff the body with the gray scuff pad leaving a dull shine behind me, then I clean it off with a wax and grease remover and its prepped to go. There’s not to much to this first step but remember to scuff, especially with HOK
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Step 3. This is wear we come in with the pagan gold (candy yellow basically) and use this to mark out wear and how far your flames and flame tips will reach, I usually put on a 2 coats of the yellow and try to cover as much as possible in the defined areas.
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Step 4. Here is the fun part and the most important as well, the first yellow licks come in. I’ve tried to demonstrate the different kinds of techniques you can use in this picture, I try to use my head a little for filling in things that don’t look right but try not to think about placement or what part of the shield that I’m using. When doing the first fire licks its important to realize that these determine how fare your fire will travel up the sides, I try to keep it to a minimum and go slightly heavy in the front of the fire and try to lighten up as I go back so there’s only a few licks spaced out evenly trailing back. At this point I’ll throw in some free handing to get the licks just right and to give them more of a random flowing look, (see how the free handing works in the pictures below )
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I just come in and take some of the licks back or bring some together and add some streak spots as well. Remember at this stage less is more so be careful, practice really helps this step. Another good tip for this stage is to back the yellow licks with black construction paper to see how they will look. And then you can work from there
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the next pic is of the freehanding i do.
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Step 5. After your happy with the small spots of yellow highlights you will come back in with the candy orange, I come in and cover this about an inch or two farther than with the yellow to give myself a good coverage area so the licks that trail off by them selves wont be to bright (just incase)
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Step 6. Here is wear the fire in the background is supposed to come in, to make the effect seamless and blend together you need to either go back in and use your free hand shield or even just free hand in with the light opaque orange (I’m using HOK sunrise pearl in this step, gives the background a little bit of a ghostly shine from the pearl) I’ll free hand in around the edges of the yellow highlights and exaggerate all the curves and licks with the orange, when you go back over the licks it will create the transition from yellow to orange. If you don’t your yellow licks will look like a set of yellow flames over a set of orange flames and they wont blend together. Then after I’ve free handed around the previous licks I’ll take my freehand shield, and start to create more hard edges past the previous yellow/orange licks, then this creates the illusion that the licks cool off as they get farther away from the source. Your just about done so at this stage you can check with a piece of black construction paper how they will look and you can adjust to your taste, b/c this is the last step before you finalize it.
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Step 7. Spray in your black basecoat to seal it off from the world. If you want another color as a base you can use red and darker colors that can blend with the candies you used earlier but changing the background color is hard b/c the candies will tint the backer, these flames look best over black its gives them more vibrancy and makes them pop. After you’ve backed it with the black, you can hit it with a sealer for your nitro cars or just something if you’re going to run it. Remove the plastic cover and admire your results. This technique takes practice to be able to get right so try using scrap pieces of lexan or even a sheet of plexi-glass to see how the color react to one another and how the patterns work out. And as always feel more than free to experiment with your own variation of colors and effects, combine this with other effects to get that next new trick!
If you wanted to change it up a little you can use different colors for your flames as well if you do it green try a candy green base coat as your first layer, then back that with an opaque yellow then back that with a candy blue/teal and use green opaque as the final backer. For blue fire use a candy blue as your base, then use a blue tinted white then come back in with a candy purple and back that with the opaque blue. Again you’ll have to experiment with your paint to get a feel for how much of what needs to be put wear.
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so thats about it, the secrets out! lol if you need bigger pics or you have more questions my e-mail is extremepaint@hotmail.com
also bigger pics are in my gallery at http://www.cfxpaintworks.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=4&page=1
thanks for waiting guys i hope this little how to can get some decent fire jobs out!
Gizmo X
03-05-2006, 05:17 AM
Thank you! I'll be trying this little thing out on my next day off from work. :)
extremetmaxxer
03-05-2006, 07:42 AM
coupla more
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Cesarjjc
03-08-2006, 02:28 PM
Here is the question you said that you can use spazstick paint. Now do I have the right colors? Anodized gold, anodized orange and candy apple red. If I was to buy the house of kolor ones which one should I use? Thank you in advance. :confused:
extremetmaxxer
03-08-2006, 10:48 PM
sounds like you got the right ones, you just forgot the opaque yellow (lemon yellow) and the orange pearl or regular orange then you need to back the red with the same orange or even draker use regular red
AudiTT-Quattro
03-09-2006, 12:40 AM
Very cool tutorial! I think I'll try it out on my next body. Thanks!
extremetmaxxer
03-16-2006, 02:24 AM
a coupla more
http://www.cfxpaintworks.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10017/DSC01492.JPG
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FESTER2004
03-21-2006, 10:23 PM
great tutorial, thanks for doing it.
if u dont mind i have a couple of ?'s for u?
1) where can u get HOK in tubes like that n how much does it cost????
2) now when using the free hand shields,do u just spray over the extended part of each blob of the free hand shield or do u have to keep twisting it around when u spray?
3)what did u use for the base coat?pactra?HOK????
4)i try to only use faskolor or createx, so what do u mean by this:"When using faskolor or auto air try doing only the pattern, the semi transparent nature of the paint will muddy the effect."?
thanks
Legend_Car
03-21-2006, 10:38 PM
so you spray the body all yellow first then paint flames and then back in orange and do more flames? im gonna try this
extremetmaxxer
03-22-2006, 02:26 AM
legend you basically have the idea so go ahead and try it,
fester
1. www.coastairbrush.com sells the individual tubes as well as dixie art and i've gotten it from a few other places as well but those are who i recomend
2. i spray around the edge of the "blob" as well as the insides and the sides, i'm getting more creative with the shapes as well and this adds to the effect, too many curves is a bad thing, at least i think... and you can spray any part any wear just try not to get weird spots that dont fit.... although its fire so maybe you can
3. for base coat i use autoair and it works fine it wont scratch with a fingernail so i figure its alright, if its gonna be run you can always back it with faskoat
4. if your trying this technique out with only faskolor or autoair, since i've had bad luck with there past products i found the semi transparent candys kinda useless for there depth and color, but thats b/c im picky like that! lol but if you do i might actually try using the semi transparents with the pattern and forget the first and third layers of candy. and then maybe back with an opaque orange backing effect before you hit it with the black, it might work i havnt tried it though
Legend_Car
03-22-2006, 08:40 AM
one more question and i think i got it, do you mix a little white in with the yellow when you go to lay the flames down?
so when you lay your licks do you spray around the outside of the shield and keep turning it?
im gonna try this after school, would pactra paints work?
FESTER2004
03-22-2006, 03:13 PM
thanks 4 lettting me know,i appriciate it.
extremetmaxxer
03-23-2006, 10:39 PM
i love skulls..... especially the fire and ghoastly ones
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FESTER2004
03-31-2006, 12:33 AM
i am gonna try it as soon as i order the faskolor- i am gonna try using there faslucent orange n yellow-its like a candy color, i letcha know how it comes out
^j!nx^
03-31-2006, 08:26 AM
would love to see you do flaims like that on a 1/5th scale bike body! AMAZING WORK!
extremetmaxxer
03-31-2006, 02:16 PM
would love to see you do flaims like that on a 1/5th scale bike body! AMAZING WORK!
got one? send it on over and i'll paint it up..... for 1 million dollars!! :D haha really though that would be no problem if you have one and want one done e-mail me and well work something out
^j!nx^
03-31-2006, 06:09 PM
email sent
FESTER2004
04-09-2006, 09:22 PM
i got my body prepped n cleaned!i got a scrothch brite pad n scuffered it up n then i used rubbing alchoal to clean it up after scruffing it up!i wanted to airbrush today but i had company so i couldnt do it so i paln to do it tommorrow!i winded up making free hand sheilds out of a cut up 2 liter coke bottle since i had no free hand sheilds!
egneg
04-22-2006, 03:29 PM
Great job on the fire. I have just paid attention to the boat forums here and didn't realize all this car painting was going on!
FESTER2004
06-18-2006, 04:09 PM
ok today on dads day, i finally did the true fire or at leats made a attempt to do so!i used all faskolor n extrememaxxer was correct in saying u do get a "muddy effect" when using faskolor paints.i like it i made some mistakes on it but u live n learn,lol! i tryed to use index cards but they evently get soggy so i do suggets if u are gonna try it get the art tool for it.the paints i used r fasorange,fasblack,fasyellow,faspearl razberry (trust me in in there,lol)faslucent orange n yellow!enjoy:
extremetmaxxer
06-18-2006, 04:41 PM
it dont look that bad! lol i bet it looks like a blur when it moves! lol a couple things your pattern is two methodical... make more mistakes on your lay out and the better it will look ;) haha and like i said before dont do the candy layer on the body when you use createx of faskolor b/c of the muddy effect just do three layers of yellow orange red and you should be able to get the effect, all the candys do is give you depth in real life
BullyDawg
06-18-2006, 05:39 PM
I'm going to have to try this!
FESTER2004
06-18-2006, 06:30 PM
extreme,so if i do it again,loose the 2 faslucent colors?without them ,wouldnt it turn into a greenish color????
extremetmaxxer
06-18-2006, 06:53 PM
not really, what you want to do is try to just do the licks with the faslucent, in yellow orange and red... build them up in layers on top of each other and if they dont provide enough by them selfs then youll have to back it with an orange or red or yellow depending on what tint you want your fire to be
FESTER2004
06-18-2006, 07:52 PM
ok,will have to try it.thanks again!
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