Rosewood R/C Raceway, Goldsboro, N.C. Part 2!

[Dee]

Well, my fridge light works, my answering machine works, I fixed the water leak this week, and, took care of everything "else" this morning! :cool:

I'M GOING RACING!!! :D

Maybe if I'm the only one there, I might finish second!!! :p

[Billy McCormack]

Congrats to the winners :D

Results are posted

HERE (http://www.thercspeedway.com/rosewoodrc/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=20)

[JimmyMac]

Congrats to the winners. Had fun watching all the mains. The Mini main was especially good watching Ron, Todd, and Glenn go at it for awhile. Then Glenn hit the flapper and let Ron and Todd pull away. Finally Ron ended Todd's winning streak! It was a good race to watch.

Ron Binkley, your car looked good too. Nice pass on GAR in the chicane. GAR got the flapper and you were gone.

Will and Bill.... when you gonna buy a Tamiya 415?!! Nice car isn't it! Belt cars are very smooth driving compared to the shaft ones. Maybe you should buy a Tamiya TA05. You'd be surprised at how well they drive even though they are only $120... Of course with hopups like mine..... $$ :D

Nice to see some old faces back out there. Hope to see yall more often. Anyways.. I'm outta here. Off to bed....

[nomac]

hmmm.... :rolleyes: , gonna have to agree with jimmy on that one! bill & will have come a long way with their current platforms but i think the tamiya cars will step them both up a notch. both the 415 and it's big brother the 414(?) have world championships under thier belts. back in the day, if you came to the track with a tamiya car...you would get laughed outta the building. but now-a-days, if someone spots a tamiya car in your pits.......they would know you were serious about WINNING!!! ;)

bill...will...... i see you guys being in the hunt for some A-main wins this year. it's only natural that you move up to the next level. besides, YO MAMA sayz.....GO GET 'EM!!!!! :D

[justin lessard]

will and bill,a 415 may up you one notch,but a schumacher will up you two notches. :D

[bmelton]

Will and Bill.... when you gonna buy a Tamiya 415?!! Nice car isn't it! Belt cars are very smooth driving compared to the shaft ones. Maybe you should buy a Tamiya TA05. You'd be surprised at how well they drive even though they are only $120... Of course with hopups like mine..... $$ :D

There's no doubt that any belt car on the market now can win. But before dropping alot of cash on a new ride, I wonder how well they would improve with just a major overhaul of the cars they have now. I could build a fresh Xtreme TC3 like that and be no doubt within 1/2 lap of now, I know it. I think before dropping cash on new cars, maybe diff rebuilds, fresh shock parts, and maybe a race prep set-up could yield very close results. Spend the $500 that a 415 would cost and put it toward race tires and batts and motors, and go just as fast.

[bmelton]

Had fun running some modified again. Kinda frustrating start to day, but I would rather have that happen yesterday than the first two controlled rounds of practice next week.

Jimmy- Something else that has me sitting the WI race out is the fact that you have to buy the race tires there. They first publicised that it was bring your own tire, and I was going to use all my one runs from nats last october for the race, but now they just put 100-$200 in tires on us :-(.

[reginald68]

Okay.. so Durham one weekend and Rosewood the next. I'll have to rearrange my work schedule to have off one Saturday and work Sunday one weekend... then have off the Sunday and work Saturday the following weekend.. Hmmm That'll work... Now I'll have somewhere to race every weekend! :)

And for those who don't follow RCTech... Justin is getting himself into some trouble on the Express thread... :rolleyes: haha..yeah he got a computer and went crazy with post hey gleen are u going to start earlier than 3 pm

[justin lessard]

Hey Jimmy,e-mail me the location that I should meet you at on friday.

[nomac]

hey justin....maybe Will can up two notches, but i think those shuie cars are for racers under 21!
sry billy, you're just too old for a shcumacher!

hey reg...so wha-cha-sayin? you makin tha trip?...huh? are ya?!?! i didn't run any dirt this week-end. want to save the duckies for my "tune-carz". went to charlotte to catch some action tho. spent more time talking to paul L. than watching the races. LOL! he's too d@_m cool!!!!

[JimmyMac]

Justin, I still have to talk to Hank. But it will more than likely be McDonalds in Smithfield near where highway 70 and i95 cross. Not hard to find at all.

If anyone is interested.. I still have a Yokomo BD still for sale. $250. It's a Schumacher eatter for sure. Has all the RaySpeed Springs. 3 plastic spools (Jairo has my steel spool.. where is he???!!), 2 oneways, extra diff, rear toe blocks, aluminum front and rear hubs. Plenty of spares (arms, castor blocks, etc) and plenty of hopups... very nice car! Only thing is the chassis has the usual asphalt wear and tear. Oh, and it also comes with 2 mounted/unpainted bodies (Tamiya Subaru B4, and Yokomo Stratus E... both excellent asphalt bodies).

Brandon, yeah... I don't think I'm gonna make this race either (WI). I think I need to save my vacation time at work for other races later in the year. I don't wanna go and blow it all in the first couple months.... That and money. Not that it's a problem.. but there are other things I could toss the money into that I've been putting off (like a new rag top for the Miata). Also pending how I do at the TCS next weekend and in July... I might go to Cali for the TCS Nationals. I'd love to run the Tamiya track out there! Maybe next year I can do the Reedy Race!! Anyways, have fun in Cali this coming weekend. I'll call ya sometime to see how you are doin...

Catch the rest of yall in 2 weeks. I'll be in Maryland this coming weekend for the TCS race up there... :)

[justin lessard]

I also have a futaba 3pk for sale ,it has the HRS and a synthesized module,225.00,and I also have a CRC carpet knife v3.1 with a mounted and painted body 120.00,both are in showroom condition.

[jtn]

Justin, I may be intersted in the carpet knife......

[Ron Zee]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[NCSpeedRacer]

So - I guess an x-ray would up me 3 notches for sure then.....lol

Untill I drove Laurie's car I just thought I wasn't as good a driver (I know I still need work). I now know just how far my setup is off. Man that 415 of his is a dream to drive. I see why he is so fast NOW. I wish I could afford a new car but I can't, so me and the tc3 are gonna be around for now. I have a few more essentials to purchase before I can get a new car. I'm having a good time racing (most of the time) and that is what really matters to me. Winning is fun too.

I had fun this weekend - good to see everybody

[Ron Zee]

Hey uhhh are we gonna try to put us all in Hanks Van or am I taking the Olds? Let me know soon. Also, what time is we meetin'?? Hope whereever it is we stay this weekend gets the Sci-Fi channel. New Dr. Who show starting up. That and I gotta see Battlestar Gallactica.

[henryj]

The four door dually might be easier. Ill talk to Jimmy tonight and figure it all out. Oh yeah, are we going up there to watch TV or to race?????
Hank

[GAR]

Hey uhhh are we gonna try to put us all in Hanks Van or am I taking the Olds? Let me know soon. Also, what time is we meetin'?? Hope whereever it is we stay this weekend gets the Sci-Fi channel. New Dr. Who show starting up. That and I gotta see Battlestar Gallactica.


BSG season Finale was last Fri.

George

[Ron Zee]

Uh-uh,, part one was last weekend, then it's skipping this weekend, then it's supposed to end up the week after. At least that's what I thought it said,,, I'll go look it up on the Sci-Fi channel,,,Hmmm, went and looked, guess I was wrong. Seems it was the end last wqeekend. Oh well, they start shooting season three in April.

I'm going to race, but as seeing as the shows don't come on until 10 at night,, are we going to still be at the race track then?? Gotta find something to do to ocuppy my time,,,,I mean it's not like I'm gonna be working on my rides,,,,:)

[justin lessard]

yeah,I'll be working on setup for my mi2 most of the time,thats why i'm going,but if I have a shot at winning I will be fine tuning jimmy's TA05,I sure hope that me,ron and jimmy do well so we can go to the TCS race in california.

[Ron Zee]

Hey Billy, how come when I click on the link that's in the e-mail for the forums, I get an error message and It won't go any farther? Besides,, I sorta thought I had signed up for the forums on the new site and it won't let me on. Maybe it's this thing. I've been telling it I'm gonna buy a new 'puter with a flat screen monitor.

[Tarheel]

Reggie, when i move out to the track, i'm sure we can start earlier if you all want to.
Laurie, I got four heli's in today and sold two of them. I'm saving the other two for you and Charlie. Have to order more.
Glenn

[Billy McCormack]

Ron-You must click on link that is sent to your email within 48 hours..If you did try clicking on the link within that time frame, then check your email one more time and try agian...If it is still not working then let me know..

Glenn-I'll take one of those in 2 weeks :D

[GAR]

Uh-uh,, part one was last weekend, then it's skipping this weekend, then it's supposed to end up the week after. At least that's what I thought it said,,, I'll go look it up on the Sci-Fi channel,,,Hmmm, went and looked, guess I was wrong. Seems it was the end last wqeekend. Oh well, they start shooting season three in April.

I'm going to race, but as seeing as the shows don't come on until 10 at night,, are we going to still be at the race track then?? Gotta find something to do to ocuppy my time,,,,I mean it's not like I'm gonna be working on my rides,,,,:)


You can catch the replay @ 11:00 on Monday nights

George

[Tarheel]

Billy, you got it.
Glenn

[DBWalker]

Glenn---Which heli do you have, and where can I get some info on it? :)

[Tarheel]

DBW, I have the Eflite Blade CX. We are flying them around the track during the break. Anyone can fly this one out of the box, even Ron. Jk. Ron. Ron took his out of the box and hovered the first time with it. Now he's flying around the track after two or three times flying. They are sold by Horizon Hobbies. I sell them for $189.95. They come with chopper of course, radio, lipo battery, charger and even AA batteries for radio. Flies about 15-20 minutes on a charge. Ron and i flew outside last week. I dropped mine from about 12 feet up onto the asphalt and hit hard. i went and picked it up and flew with no problems. Did not break! It's great for a first chopper and for learning. They also have the Blade CP which is an upgraded version which is fully aerobatic. It even flies upside down and tumbles and rolls. Check them out. If you get one, come out and fly with us. Laurie and Charlie will be joining us this week end. See ya.
Glenn

[DBWalker]

Thank you Glenn. :)

[JimmyMac]

Justin, email sent.

Ron we will try to take Hank's Van. So pack light unless if you want to drive yourself up. We may be staying til Sunday morning. It depends on how late we race til. So far it looks like over 150 entries. Over 53 entries for Mini!! I guess Laurie is lucky he's not goin!! Too much competition!! :p

Good luck to those goin to Cali for the carpet Nats. I'll catch the rest of yall next weekend.

[justin lessard]

hey ron,do you still need me to bring a few of my SICK TWISTED INSANE RETARDED PSYCO!!!! motors? :D let me know,your going to need some serious ponies if you want to WIN so we can go to california :cool:

[JimmyMac]

Glenn, you have PM....

[justin lessard]

ron,too bad you can't run one of these :(

[DBWalker]

Justin L.---Looks sharp. What is it? :confused:

[justin lessard]

it's a tamiya F1 with a carbon fiber chassis.but it's not TCS legal.

[DBWalker]

Thank you Justin. :)

[tarheelquality]

Justin, what kind of chassis is that? I had an Eagle on my F201 but it was very similar to the stock design.

[justin lessard]

it's from japan,i'm not sure who makes it.

[justin lessard]

ron,here is a pic of the track that we will be running on,hope you got some front arms :p

[ShadowWolf81]

Anyone have decent skills at Airbrushing RC Bodies? trying to find someoen that'll paint a body for me as i cant even paint a stick-figure strait. am going to be useing the body in 'show' classes, not for Raceing so trying to get it painted nicely. Just havent made up my mind on what type of Design i want =T


Also, ive still got that 1/12 scale Oval racer im trying to sell for $100 if anyones interested in it. all it needs is a radio and it'll run =)

[Billy McCormack]

anybody got a couple steering blocks for a tc3/tc4 they could sell me at the track tommorow???

[FocusdSound]

One of these days I'll get back out there to race. Have to work this weekend which really sucks. Still haven't gotten my new car on a track. Maybe in two weeks i'll attempt to get out again. Sundays at Durham will be much easier on me.

[ShadowWolf81]

got my new drifter in the mail today.... wonder if Glenn will let me put it together tomarrow if i bring it in. *smiles* will give me somethign to do becides corner marshal for people practiceing =)

[GAR]

anybody got a couple steering blocks for a tc3/tc4 they could sell me at the track tommorow???

Billy I think I got some

George

[ShadowWolf81]

*points up at GAR* 2:44am... well atleast im not the only night-hawk....

[npresme]

Glenn here is the link to the web site for the gears I was running, I didn't see them listed on Horizon hobbies though. I know you can get them straight from PRS.

http://www.precisionracingsystems.com/default2.htm

[Billy McCormack]

Results are posted

HERE (http://www.thercspeedway.com/rosewoodrc/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=21)

Congrats to Todd , Laurie , and Mark on your wins..

See ya'll next weekend

[justin lessard]

jimmy,don't forget to bring my battery,moter,pinion gear,transponder,wheel spacers,and yellow springs with you to the track on saterday,I'm not going to be racing on saterday,i will just be practicing outside :cool:unless it is to cold, so that my car will be dialed on the 15th so I can smoke you,laurie,george,anthony,john tag,and brandon :D ,and are we going to change to layout for the first day outside or just run the same layout(the old layout is lame!!!) also I'm going to order a TA05 for laural,so what options do i need ? :confused:

[Ron Zee]

Todd won again in Mini? Well, it's a gonna be a lot 'arder for 'im to do it again. The Jimmy Wilson Mini put me in the A-Main yesterday as it turned out to be just a little faster than the one I won with last weekend!! Qualified 10th, finished 6th. As for the F-1, I qualified 5th and ended up 7th. The track wasn't quite layed out as pictured above, but all in all, it was a pretty decant layout. Little bit technical, little bit speedy. Only thing I didn't like were the cloth/fabric taped up wall sections that made up three turn walls. Brushing them invited a spin or breakage. Inside asphalt,, hmmm, never wears out,,,,

Anyhoo, Hank TQed the F-1 class but went out early in the main, Joseph won his main(C or D) in the GT2 class and ended up finishing somewhere in the middle of the GT3 class A-main, Jimmy Mac made the GT1 class A-main and I forgot where he finished, and Justin made the GT2 class A-main but had radio problems right before the start and ended up with a DNS.

All of us had a good time and Glenn, I think that if you apply to Tamiya now, you might get a race at the Wood next year. All they have running up there is a mini class, or so I was told. LOts of drivers, like 160 or there abouts. Mini Coopers being the biggest with over 50 of them alone. Oh, that wasn't counting the Rear Wheel Drive ones, there were 6 of them.

See ya'll later!!

[nomac]

hey justin...share some of your tire secrets ok? (:thunbs-up:)

[JimmyMac]

Justin doesn't know anything about tires... he just runs premounts hehe... It's his "driving" skills that helps him win.. haha... Anyways... as for the TA05.. I dunno what options you want? For suspension, you need this... Besure to read the description for more parts that are needed to complete the kit. http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=53899 Everything else is up to you. You want shocks? You want graphite tub? You want bling bling? You want oneways? You want spool? I dunno what you want. Maybe for your case, you should just wait for the TA05R to come out with all the hopups on it. My TA05 costs almost as much as your Schumacher....... maybe more...

I also took out your battery, motor, pinion, springs, and transponder and put them in a bag for Saturday. I don't have your wheel spacers. I gave them back to you when I took off your tires and put on my Takeoffs after the race. I'll also bring your $50 body (minus wing.. it's my Ferrari wing). :D

Ron, did ya tell Glenn about the helicopters?!!! The CX or whatever... They had well over 30 of them in stock sitting out on the floor!!! One of the guys I was pitting with had one. He was flying it out on the track... Kinda like how Ron and Glenn does between races.. hehe...

Anyways, catch yall Saturday. I'm gonna try and race my TA05 out there. I'm looking forward to this asphalt season!! L8Rz...

[justin lessard]

jimmy,I know more about tires than you think hehe,I just think we should run a control tire to make it fair for everyone,and i know that not everyone can afford new tires after every rune,so there should be a limit on the amount of sets that you can use in one race day,but if ya'll want a tire and insert war that's fine with me,hope you all have fun the rest of carpet season because i'm not going to run carpet anymore,i'm going to focus on aspalt and winning that race in august in maryland.

[justin lessard]

when does the TA05R become available?

[ShadowWolf81]

Hey guys.

Im trying to find links to website with the 'paperwork' side of R/C Raceing.. like a printable sheet for setups, Gear charts for pinnon/spurs. Things of that nature that ive seen some of you guys useing.

Anyone have a list of Link's youve found them at that you can give me?

thanks for any help if anyone understands jsut what it is im asking for =)

[Tarheel]

Justin, Anytime you feel like helping to change our lame layout, you let me know.
Glenn

[npresme]

Shadow- you can find printable set-up sheets on most of the car manufactuers sites. That all will be up to you on what ever car you are running. I know X-ray, Corally, Losi and AE all have printable set-up sheets, blank and "TEAM" set-ups on them.

As for ger charts. goto www.gearchart.com they have everything you need... just click on Gearchart creator and fill in all the info you have and it will give you a printable gearchart or Roll out chart which ever you need...

[Billy McCormack]

Justin, Anytime you feel like helping to change our lame layout, you let me know.
Glenn


No doubt..Like i said , i hear plenty of people complaining about running the same layout , but not very many wanting to help change it.. :rolleyes:

[ShadowWolf81]

Shadow- you can find printable set-up sheets on most of the car manufactuers sites. That all will be up to you on what ever car you are running. I know X-ray, Corally, Losi and AE all have printable set-up sheets, blank and "TEAM" set-ups on them.

As for ger charts. goto www.gearchart.com they have everything you need... just click on Gearchart creator and fill in all the info you have and it will give you a printable gearchart or Roll out chart which ever you need...


Thanks mutch =)

[npresme]

I know I will offer to help change it anytime I come.. I would even be up for on the carpet coming down on a Fri. night and helping change it during the season and just staying over. But I have always been under the impression and heard others say that one layout for the year was all that was going to happen...

But if Glenn says it can be changed count me in for helping when I can be there to race.

The asphalt track isn't so bad with one layout. But changing it wouldn't hurt atleast once or twice during the outdoor season. Plus with the outdoor season running everyother month now then it shouldn't get too boring for any of us.

I mainly think the carpet track needs to be changed to help prolong the life of the carpet....

The carpet take so much abuse running the same layout for 4-5 months in a row every week.

[npresme]

Thanks mutch =)


No problem...

[Ron Zee]

Oh, Jimmy,, Hank,, 106x45 for Rosewood, 100x45 for the Coloseum. told ya it was bigger. so there!!

[justin lessard]

Justin, Anytime you feel like helping to change our lame layout, you let me know.
Glenn

i'm not saying the layout is that lame ,it just gets boring to run it 25 times in a row,maybe we could run it backwards sometimes,that way it would be like running a new layout(and we would'nt have to mess with the corners laurie made) ;)

let's just run backwards outside,that way nobody has to do any work and it will be like running a new layout,what do you think?

[justin lessard]

what does everyone think of a conrtol tire?

[henryj]

What is a conrtol tire????

Ron, you were saying the Wood was like 120 feet, that was what I was disputing also. But if we take a tape measure everywhere we wont have anything to argue about when you are not sleeping, LOLOLOLOL!

[GAR]

I'm not positive but I may stay over Sat. night and work on changing the out door layout on Sun. If that is alright with Glenn.

So if anyone is interested and would like to help or have ideas for new layout
I could us it.

George

[JimmyMac]

jimmy,don't forget to bring my battery,moter,pinion gear,transponder,wheel spacers,and yellow springs with you to the track on saterday,I'm not going to be racing on saterday,i will just be practicing outside :cool:unless it is to cold, so that my car will be dialed on the 15th so I can smoke you,laurie,george,anthony,john tag,and brandon :D ,and are we going to change to layout for the first day outside or just run the same layout(the old layout is lame!!!) also I'm going to order a TA05 for laural,so what options do i need ? :confused:

Hmmm, looks like you did say the layout was lame!! lol :p And like Glenn says... you can always come out and help. I always have. Oh, and I did try to change the indoor layout last week before I left for Maryland. But the dang boards are velcro'd down soo good, I almost pulled out my back!!!! (Just ask Ron!) So I said the Heck with it. I wanted to surprise you guys... but it was just too much work to do by myself!! (Ron and Glenn were building the steps) haha.. :D

Control tire... I'm against it. It limits my knowledge of tires and inserts goin from track to track. But if that's what you want.. I can play that too. I just hope you know how to tech the inserts. Because you can buy the tires separate as well as the wheels and mount up your own inserts. No one would ever know..... Plus you can get different "batches" of premounts that come with different inserts.... ;) But if anyone wants to know a good tire and insert combo.. just ask me at the track. I've always told what they were..... Marv knows what I use. And I'm sure Mark P knows as well. etc etc....

Ron, I never said anything about track size... So there!! :p

Where's my heli!!! Catch yall Saturday...

[JimmyMac]

Awesome George!!! Now I don't have to lay it out this year! :D I would help though... but I have to work Sunday.... Maybe if you get a general layout like you guys did with the indoor layout... I'll just fine tune it during the week and hopefully have everything screwed down and ready by the 15th.

[axrayed1]

I'm with you on tires Jimmy plus who's going to tech every week.

[justin lessard]

lets change the layout to be the same as at the japan nationals,it looked very challenging and fun

[justin lessard]

o.k so no control tire.

[mshap33]

jimmy will always help anyone with the right combination of tires, just ask him

[justin lessard]

maybe something like this.

[bcnae99]

Good Evening everyone.....

I live in pikeville and just bought a t-maxx 2.5 about a week ago (and It's broken...but parts are on order :D ) I was searching the web for an rc park around here and came across this site....I was wondering if there is a dirt track around here to race at? I'm also looking to go to a place were people can give me a few (well, ALOT) of pointers. Thanks for the info in advance.

Brian

[Tarheel]

George, Good idea. I will be there sunday to help change it also. I think i heard Justin volunteering to help too. If you don't help with changing the layout, you don't get any input on how it's layed out. So don't complain about the layout if you don't come out. Anyone else up for helping to change the layout this sunday? Jimmy, my cx's are'nt coming in untill the end of the month. Sorry, Ron said they had 30 of them in MD. No wonder i can't get any. lol. Billy, your CP is on the way though. Horizon had plenty of those. Brian, we have an off road track at Rosewood. Come out and check us out some saturday.
Glenn

[bcnae99]

Thanks for the invite! I will try and make it out this weekend.

Where is the closest RC store? I am looking parts for my T-Maxx, but I have to go all the way to Wilson to get anything. Is there one in Goldsboro? :confused:

[Billy McCormack]

bcnae99 - go HERE (http://www.thercspeedway.com/rosewoodrc/)

Glenn--Good deal on the CP :D ..I cant make it out this sunday cause we plan on meeting at the Durham track tommorow and sunday to finish it all up..I can help out saturday though..Before race time that is ;)

[justin lessard]

George,i won't be racing saterday,so you don't need to pick me up.

[GAR]

George,i won't be racing saterday,so you don't need to pick me up.

Ok, but why are you not racing.

George

[John Tag]

He's too good....LOL

See U guys soon for some black top racing, Justin make sure to get those laps in early your gona need them..and plan a escape route for when I come hunting ya down on the track..Your Mine :D

[John Tag]

FYI...I never forget anything... ;)

[justin lessard]

:cool: haha,I hope you got a p-dub bumper,your gona need it :D

[Ron Zee]

Changing the layout?? Oh no, say it isn't so. I hate changes on the track. Takes me forever to learn it and now you want to change it? Man,,, I'm going back to Laso.

Oh what the heck,, I might be there Sunday too. With my busted up heli. Sort did a Glenn and crashed it hard last night. Tweaked the body even better than Glenn did his!! Silly bugger still flying though,,,

[Tarheel]

Ron, i got more blades and an aluminum inner thingy in today. We be flyin this week. I'll be working at the track tomorrow. Stop by.
Glenn

[Dee]

Doesn't matter to me if they change it, I can't drive on ANY layout! :(

eh, sorry Ron, but I don't think you'll be going back to Laso. :confused: Might as well stay where you're at! :rolleyes:

[JimmyMac]

Well I think I'll show up Saturday and do some asphalt practice too... maybe. Gotta run the 415 a few times. So I won't be racing Touring cars. However... I will be racing Mini Coopers!!! :) I figure with all my cars setup for asphalt now... I might as well have some end of season carpet fun in Mini Coopers.. Ain't nuttin like putting Ron into the wall at 10 miles an hour.. :D

[Tarheel]

Don't worry Ron, we'll gang up on um. lol
Glenn

[John Tag]

Did somebody say 415... :rolleyes:

[justin lessard]

this is what a REAL touring car looks like,BOYAA!!!!!!!!!! :p :D :cool:

[bmelton]

this is what a REAL touring car looks like,BOYAA!!!!!!!!!! :p :D :cool:
Yeah, what it looks like in one piece before Tag pays ya back with a wall greeting, LOLOLOL, ;) :D .

[John Tag]

Dam Brandon..Now he know's why I got a second car.. :eek:

[justin lessard]

:cool:

[nomac]

hello all! a question about these two tires. I've heard sorex gives better traction and greater speed over Take-Off. But they don't last as long. on a typical race meet (local, nats, regional...), how many runs are the sorex's good for? this includes practice. sry for the questions yall....the only rubber tires i'm good with are off-road tires. :D
oh and another thing...what inserts do you like best in mod/19 turn? :o

[John Tag]

My opinion... Sorex are better overall as they carry better corner speeds. As far as lasting CS36 last longer as Sorex are prone for less runs set to set. Either tire is great and Yes new tires ARE worth .3 per lap... Inserts can really depend on temp and chassie set up,there are common starting points but seeing were doing the open tire rule tire choice and inserts can be diffrent week to week due to weather and chassie changes we may have done..

Jimmy Mac does have a common tire starting set up I'm sure he will share... :D

[Ron Zee]

Hey, that looks like a 415, without all the alphabet soup stuff after it. You know,, it looks like mine does!

Anyhow, come on Jimmy, I'll be waitin for ya, and If I don't getcha with My mini,, there's always the J mini!!!Oh, and Justin, it's BOO-YA!!

[JimmyMac]

Is that a hint hint? I'm testing different inserts this year. Actually, testing a tried and true insert vs something I haven't used in awhile. Anyways... I prefer Sorex tires. New on race day. But Takeoffs are good over the long run. I always prefer Takeoff Premounted CS22's in spring and late fall. My setups are best with them. But summer time when there is heat in the track.. I always prefer Sorex 36 tires. Ask Anthony. I think he dropped his lap times .5 per lap switching to my tires. I "think" the combo I let him use was Sorex 36 with Xenon Gray or Black insert and Yok ABS dish wheels with 4 5/64th holes drilled into the wheels.

Another good combo I ran 2 years ago that lasted along time was Sorex 36 with Echo vented dish (Glenn sold them) with HPI Green inserts. They were fast til the belts started to show. Setup required for them was more of a loose setup. Tight setups are only good with new tires.

Some of the other guys prefer Sorex tires with HPI Red inserts with dish (fill in name brand) wheels.

This year for me it's only Sorex 36 with "X" brand inserts and Xenon dish wheels. "X" brand inserts because I'll be running Xenon, HPI, Hara, Yokomo, Team Bomber, and other name brands. But I'll always have a "standard" to go by which will be Xenon Gray or Black.

Oh, but back to your question.. how many runs... Well for Mod... I'd say on Sorex... Maybe 2... runs with a 7 single.... Then the cars handling will feel off after that. Unless if you can "take special care" of them...... ;) 19t should last the race day. But may fall off by the main. I prefer last weeks race tires as this weeks practice tires. But again, all depends how well you take care of them. Do you bag your tires after race day to keep them fresh? Do you "goop" them between rounds? Do you rescuff them in between runs? etc.. etc... etc... blah blah blah... yada yada yada.. hehe...

[John Tag]

Perfect Jimmy.. I started what you finished..exactally $$$ Tire war..LOL I moved here last year and never really got into the tire game as back home we all ran the same tire and honer system and had spot checks. This year is a diffrent story,I bet many will spend a ton on diffrent tires and inserts looking for those 3 tenths.. my included ...already started ;) ...,some basic tires may work some weekends but not all...let the wars begin.... :D r

[bmelton]

Well, I got three weekends running mod on my tires and they never fell off from the 3rd run to the end of the season.

Echo wheels, HPI Red, and CS32, the echo rim makes the tire nice and tight and doesn't get the ring on the inner rib, but damn the echo rims are expensive :( .

I ran sorex 36's. Take off 32's and pre glued 27's and my car ran the same times about every weekend. I don't think there is a "special" secret tire, they all work.

[nomac]

thanks! i'm getting there! slowly but sho-ly. :) . there's so much to getting the right combination on the right day at the right temp.
but for tire care i just sand the flashing off and clean the tires with denatured alcohol or 158 cleaner from work. i then bag 'em after that. about 30 minutes before my heat i clean 'em with motor spray then goop 'em. (i use TQ brand...mod formula #7019). i then stick 'em in a zip-loc an sit them in the rear window of my car (GOTTA HAVE THAT HEAT BABY!). 5 minutes before my heat i mount 'em up and go race. i also rotate after every run. is this too much?

[JimmyMac]

I prefer to mount my own because it's cheaper for me than buying Premounts... Of course for some, it's cheaper for them to buy premounts. Just depends where you buy your tires.

Hmmm wonder if I can source out some Echo wheels... Hmmmm.. Actually, I still have 4 full sets of Xenon wheels I got as a bulk pack. Great deal for buying in bulk. But I'll look into those Echo wheels......

Hey Glenn... look into trying to order the Sorex Premounted 36r tires. Not sure if you can get them or not. But they do make them.

Well catch some of yall tomorrow...

[JimmyMac]

Sounds good Pete.... As long as you stick with the routine every round you should be fine. Ya kinda sound like one of the Japanese Teams at the Worlds or something hehe... This year I'm actually gonna try to stick to a routine and see what it does. Even if it's premounted tires. I found out this past weekend that if I don't stick to a routine.. my car was very inconsistant in handling. Especially with Tamiya A compound tires. Car was great on the first run after a good scuff in. On the 2nd run they were so-so. 3rd run they were loose. My mistake was not sticking with the routine I had planned for. Now I look back and I'm like... D'OH!!!!! haha :D

Anyways, hope to see ya on the black top!!

OH, and to anyone else reading this... don't be intimidated by all this. Just buy a set of Takeoff Premounts and you'll be fine. I'm just doin all this testing trying to see what the Asian Teams are finding out about tires and inserts.. yada yada yada. It's apart of the hobby that I like.. Test and Tune... Besides.. most Big races here in the states are handout tires anyways....

[nomac]

thanx jimmy...got everything logged and cataloged. if you think my touring car "ritual" is crazy...you should hear what i do to my off-road tires. it involves cocoa-butter soap from Dollar General! LOL!

[npresme]

I say we stop the Tire/insert war before it gets started! lets see who can set a car up and drive it on any given day with the same tire/insert as everyone else....

[nomac]

there's no war. just speed. these guys have done their homework and are willing to share vital information with anyone who asks. i'm sure the results they found weren't cheap. inserts....rims.....tires....gas to the track...it all adds up. they could have easily said something like..."come on down and try some stuff out...see what you like." or "i worked pretty hard to get what i got...you're on your own."

it's no secret that i have BIG problems at the wood. why? i dunno. my last carpet race was my best race there so far. sure i finished several laps down, but hey! i had fun. asphalt is a bigger beast to conquer. i have a hard time with rubber tires on a touring car. so when the opportunity comes to get free help, i take it. :D

[npresme]

All I was saying is, have a spec tire so everyone doesn't have to have 10 sets of different tire/insert/rim combos for every race day.

But either way is fine with me. I know what tire/ inserts I ran last year.

Take off pre-mounts! LOL

[nomac]

see! that's my point! you're fast as all get-out already! i've watched your car in action before. your chassis does all the work! your tires just simply say "Yes, sir" and the cars goes! i've watched the way it leans and rotates...flawless!!! your suspension geometry would make any tire work. :p
it makes the tires dig with little scrub and BANG!......off the corner it goes. wish i had it like that. :(

[jtn]

All I was saying is, have a spec tire so everyone doesn't have to have 10 sets of different tire/insert/rim combos for every race day.

But either way is fine with me. I know what tire/ inserts I ran last year.

Take off pre-mounts! LOL

What's the difference if there was a spec tire? Everyone will just mount up new sets all the time and you will have no one teching it anyway.....I have priced out the difference between pre-mounts and making your own combo and maybe 5-7 bucks different. :confused:

[justin lessard]

I'm with anthony,let's have a spec tire,BOO-YAA!!!!!!

[justin lessard]

a spec tire would help the slower drivers learn to set up their cars ,and become faster,by knowing how to set up their chassis when the conditions change.

[John Tag]

MY Opion..Spec tire yes we all put new tires on every week Yes..BUT with spec we know which to carry with us for that..Open tire rule I bet I and others have 5 diffrent sets incase track is diffrent for that extra advantage. So do I need 1 spare new set spes tires or 3 or 4 others open tires just in case. Spec tire cheaters..well they should feel proud to be cheating just to try to get something over on somebody..

Another issue..Balancing arms..ROAR rules DO NOT allow altering arm after it leaves factory..so rebalancing is Illegal and I hope we check as I know what to look for as a OEM dealer.. Ballancing is done overseas at MFG.. I can take a good arm that is ballanced and reballance with several grams lighter :rolleyes:

Just thought I would throw that in... :D

I can bring a gram scale for that too...

[John Tag]

CS27 or CS32 and done... I ran a low grip track today on CS32 and have pleanty of bite so cool weather is not a big issue...

[Billy McCormack]

Results are posted HERE (http://www.thercspeedway.com/rosewoodrc/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=22)

[bmelton]

Good race day GAAAAARRR!! Good job.

[justin lessard]

:p congrats on your win,george,it's been a long time :D :p

[John Tag]

I think Laurie let him win as winner was buying Logans:LOL:

[bmelton]

I prefer to mount my own because it's cheaper for me than buying Premounts...
Where do you buy your stuff from???

My Opinion (and just my opinion)- I think a spec tire would work out beneficial for the racers and the track owner (s). When I say spec, I mean preglued, not the same compound glued with inserts, rims, etc. I would love to see the tracks in the area benefit from the sale of tires because they will have them in stock because it's easier to stock them when there isn't a whole lot of variation to order, and also because they don't have to track down some exotic brand from overseas. Take off and RP are readily available and easy to obtain.

IDEA- One thing that the track in Frederick did, and I think it worked great, is to allow ANY Take off/RP preglued tire. This allows you to use the combo of about 4 different tires, but yet they are easy to tech. There is a 27,30,32,36. Any of these four tires will work under any weather we see all year, but yet the racer can gage out of these 4 sets which would work best. Enough variation for people who want to have have different heat ranges, but limits it enough to not price people out of the ball park, (and the track owner can get both tires from same supplier). HOW DOES THIS SOUND TO PEOPLE??

What would also be nice is if the two area tracks, WOOD and TRRAC could come together and have an agreement between the two on tires, mostly the same racers.

[justin lessard]

:confused: I looked at the laptimes ,and it actually does look like laurie lt him win :rolleyes:

[justin lessard]

and if people don't like take-off,sorex makes pre-mounts in most of thier compounds,so chances are that they will already have the combination that you want to run,just a thought. :cool:

[bmelton]

and if people don't like take-off,sorex makes pre-mounts in most of thier compounds,so chances are that they will already have the combination that you want to run,just a thought. :cool:
Well, only thing there, if you start allowing all the premounts, then your back to 10 different tires choices, so kinda like whats the point? If you use just the Take off/RP line, it gives enough variation for day/night, cool/warm, but not enough to turn it into a tire war that people seem to want to resolve.

[bmelton]

At least between tire choices, you know that the rim and insert/air gap are the same, you just worry about what the rubber will do. For example if Jimmy likes 22's and I like 36's, we are running everything the same for the most part except compound. Would be just like carpet kinda, you find out out which tire your car likes (Parma, BSR, Jaco, etc) and stick with it. Just limits the choices but gives a little freedom.

[John Tag]

Jimmy Mac..My Tamyia-415-ms-msx-414-V2 is"Sweet" I like this car..not sure i'll keep it over my new car coming but nice car...

[justin lessard]

Well, only thing there, if you start allowing all the premounts, then your back to 10 different tires choices, so kinda like whats the point? If you use just the Take off/RP line, it gives enough variation for day/night, cool/warm, but not enough to turn it into a tire war that people seem to want to resolve.

no,i meant allow only sorex pre-mounts

[justin lessard]

hey jimmy ,can you discharge and tray that battery that i left in your TA-05,

[JimmyMac]

Yes, I can Justin. Just tell me how far down to discharge it and I will....

Whatever the tracks decide on premounts or not is up to them. I'll follow whatever rule each track has. But I'm not a big fan of RP tires... my opinion is they suck.... :p I like Takeoffs though. I guess it's up to yall to ask Glenn on this for the Wood.. And to ask the club at Durham. See what they say.

Well had fun today. I raced Mini's. And Lauries Mini was ballistic!!! And good win for George today as well. And Chris J's car was fast as well. Well.. for the first 2 minutes he was.. hehe. I spent all day rebuilding my TA05 (plastic tub car) between rounds. I tossed on all my carbon tub parts to stiffen and lighten it up. Getting it ready for Durham. My 415 is on the back burner for now. Trying to learn the TA05 for the TCS in July. Got some grudge matches goin on for that race!! :D

Anyways... had fun... catch yall next week.. And looking forward to some asphalt!!

Oh... Brandon... I get alot of my tire stuff from HK..... That's why they are cheaper for me to build my own than to buy premounts... Whenever I buy car parts... I just order tires with them....

[Dee]

Well, I didn't finish last this time, but I've got to do something, because I think David is catching on fast. I did manage to put together some laps in the 18 second range, but the inconsistency in killing me.

Thanks Laurie and Jimmy, for showing us how to "git-r-done".

Now that I have a new set-up to try, I need more practice. And a new pair of glasses! LOL! :cool:

[Dee]

Oh, and David, if you read this, I think Todd wants to order the pizza next time! LOL! ;) :D

[justin lessard]

0.85,jimmy or 5.10 volts

[John Tag]

J-Mac call my cell asap...:) 732-948-3006

[Ron Zee]

To me, this is sort of odd. Rosewood hasn't had a tire rule before nor has Durham that I know of. So where is all this coming from? Why is this so important all of a sudden? Isn't this the way racing has always been? Use your noodle and figure out what works and go with it. Why is there this sudden rush to make everything equal? Regardless of what happens with this tire debate, the fact is, the fast will still be fast and the slow will still say the fast are cheating.

In any event, I agree with Brandon, that if there is going to be a "spec" tire, then it should be limited to like say the 4 different tires that Take-off makes, the 27, 30 32, and 36's. Easy to tech, and easy for both tracks to get.

One problem would be though, other drivers coming in to race at either track without the "correct" tire set-up. Do you now force them to buy new tires or do you allow them to run with whatever they have that first time? If you tell them they gotta buy tires, they get bent. And if you let them run with whatever, you'll have a "regular" complain that it's not fair.

As for me, I don't really care what happens with this. I'll be buying whatever I can afford to use to make the car go around the track. It wont matter what I use 'cause I know it's not the tires, car, motor, battery, or whatever, it's the driver that makes me slow. But as long as I leave feeling happy, then that's all I need.

[justin lessard]

:cool:

[tarheelquality]

I am fairly sure we are not going to go to a spec tire in Durham. We dont have an on-site hobby shop to sell tires and we also are trying to pull in as many people from as many places as possible and you dont do that by making special rules for your track only. Having the correct tires for the conditions is important but like Ron said it really is the driver. And with a set of take offs premounts you are going to be close enough that set up is going to make a whole lot more of a difference than the tire or insert.

[nomac]

WOW!!! I ask for a little tire advise and WHOA!! :D . teehee! didn't know i had so many people who watched my back! :p . Seems like when there's a tire "discussion"...... :rolleyes: (nah...jk)

i suck at rubber tire set-ups. don't know why. guess i just like foams better....just me tho. (maybe it's the squill noise the cars tend to make). HAHA! no doubt rosewood is as much about chassis set-up as it is tires. i think i have a chassis i can get comfortable with in a short amount of time. but i need tires to put up under it. i need to make more than one trip there unlike last year. and when i come i wanna enjoy myself. don't wanna be in the way again.

[npresme]

Tire wars are fun..LOL

[npresme]

To me, this is sort of odd. Rosewood hasn't had a tire rule before nor has Durham that I know of. So where is all this coming from? Why is this so important all of a sudden? Isn't this the way racing has always been? Use your noodle and figure out what works and go with it. Why is there this sudden rush to make everything equal?

Ron This was discussed alot last year by some of the racers. When Laurie opens a box of tires and say "I bet I got almost $1000 in tires right here" and George, Justin, Jimmy and I all nod in agreement(knowing we all are in the same boat, some more so than others). Thats not good.

Why should you have to have 5 sets of tires for every race day? One set to practice on at 10am, one set for the 1st heat another for the 2nd another for the 3rd and finally a totally different set for the mains at 7pm after the temp. dropped 20 degs from the first qual.?

I was actually looking at it as a cost saving factor for the racer and the hobby shop.

How many times have any of you came to race on a Sat. and it be 10-20 degs. different temp than it was the last weekend or the last time you ran, and need a different tire and insert? Prob. all of us. So who has went into the hobby shop and ask for say a Sorex 36/32/30 or an unmounted takeoff 22/27/32/ and a HPI green/ red insert with a zenon/HPI/Yokomo/Echo rim or a RP30/32/36? Again Prob. all of us. How many times have you actually gotten what you wanted? maybe half?? Glenn shouldn't have to stock $5000 worth of different tires, inserts and RIMS! The racers shouldn't have to spend $100 on a set of tires to see if they work that ONE day or even that one qual.!

If the track went to a spec tire Glenn could order a few hundred dollars worth of tires and be done with it. If he sees he is selling more Take-offs vs. the others then he knows what to to order. Simple.

You say the fast will still be fast no matter what, I agree. But wouldn't it be better for someone just starting out to only have to choose between 2 sets of tires vs. 20 different Tire/insert and rim combo and still never have the car set up right?

Also if everyone is on the same "SPEC" tire the racing will be better. You have ppl whos chassis is so far off in the mains because it is cooler than the rest of the day when they could throw those "SPECIAL" tires on and be fast for one run.

It really want make a difference to me either way, I was just looking it more of a cost factor for ppl. I know Ron you said what about the guy that comes from another track? Well I don't know how many ppl. I saw from Different tracks last year I mean you can't even get the guys from the two tracks to support each other!!!!???? But most that do come/goto a new track ask what they need before showing up. So they would be well aware of the tire deal. I know I always ask before I go to a new/different track "WHAT WILL I NEED TO RACE THERE" Don't you???


This hobby is expensive enough as it is. Anything that would help ALL OF US in the back pocket can't be all bad...... Plus ALL MAJOR RACES in the US have controlled tires, wonder why?

I know last year I ran on Take-off pre-mounts all year at Durham and Rosewood because I was going to the Nationals with a "control" tire, and still didn't do too badly at either track.......So if I have to buy 5 different sets of tires to get that extra .10 of a sec. I will! LOL

[Billy McCormack]

i also agree with spec tires

i hope both tracks do agree to a certain tire that will be allowed

[Billy McCormack]

just got some new info on the spec thing...yeah i dont think its a good idea..at first i thought it might save some racers money , but now i know it wont..

if we got to buy 2 new sets of 27's every weekend because they fall off so fast , your not saving any money..

however , if you can buy 1 set of tires that wont fall off more than a tenth or 2 over a 2 or 3 week period , then that seems to be the way to go..

i'm always going to be for whatever is cheaper and easier so it doesnt turn into a war of who has the most money that day :cool:

[npresme]

if we got to buy 2 new sets of 27's every weekend because they fall off so fast , your not saving any money..


You don't have to buy 2 new sets of Take offs every week.

Plus Really, how many ppl do you think is gonna buy 2 new sets every weekend?

The ones I ran last year were my tires from the eXpress asphalt race in NJ. I got 12 sets for that race and I used them at Rosewood and Durham all year. I will be starting this season at Rosewood on them. I have ran Takeoffs until the belts were showing and still be in the top 2-3 at both tracks.

I'll make a deal with anyone on here....(other than Brandon) You buy a set NIB Take-off 27s the first week of asphalt and I will give you a set of the tires from last year. If your lap times are SOOOO much faster on the new tires vs. the old tires I will buy you whatever tires you want........LOL


So tell who ever you got the info. from they need a better CHASSIS set up and stop depending on tires....LOL

I think even Brandon posted that he ran the same Takeoff for a few months with out any noticable fall off....and he ran Mod with them.

[teamhyperdrive]

See Pete, that's the reason why i went 12th scale and i agree with the foams.You are faster with the foams, but its not Roar legal with the tc cars.Soo you are put back in what everybody has posted about buying a whole lot of stuff.As far as Brandon...He's just that dang good.He's smooth and runs pretty much the same line(except for those flappers).So to base Brandons tire results arent exactally revelent.He knows set up,gearing etc.Plus he can Drive.Brandon could run HPI x patterns and still spank people, but i too have been curious as to what tire to use.I did get another tc and was curious what tire to go with.

[npresme]

So to base Brandons tire results arent exactally revelent.He knows set up,gearing etc.

Ok so reread what you posted...

You say Brandon knows set-up and gearing and etc. So all of that is FREE, but you would rather not get your car RIGHT and buy $500 worth of tires...Sounds good to me. LOL

[Billy McCormack]

I'll make a deal with anyone on here....(other than Brandon) You buy a set NIB Take-off 27s the first week of asphalt and I will give you a set of the tires from last year. If your lap times are SOOOO much faster on the new tires vs. the old tires I will buy you whatever tires you want........LOL.

how much faster?

i could always use a set of free tires...lmao :D

[JimmyMac]

I agree and disagree with everyones points. There will be no money saved in my opinion if a spec tire was used. Reason being... like was mentioned.. some people (who can afford to and doesn't mind spending money on their hobby) will almost always be buying new spec tires every race day. Maybe even twice a day. And those who don't care or can't afford to won't. So you are back in the same boat with saving or spending money. This holds true for all forms of racing. Even real life. The faster guys are usually (not always) but usually the ones with the money who can afford new tires every race day and have a decent setup on a car. Go Carting... SCCA... etc etc.... So the money issue is Moot in my mind in this debate...

Now for performance issues.. that's a different story. XA brand tire is better that XB brand. Now I know we are not in Japan.... but they have an open tire rule for their nationals. They all use Sorex 36's or 32's. This in my mind tells me the Sorex tire is the best tire out there. They don't run Takeoff. They don't run RP. They don't run Orion.. They don't run Powers.. No Xenon.. No Proline.. No HPI... No Pit Shimizu.. No Ride.. No Tamiya... etc etc. With over a dozen tire brands made in Japan.. they only use Sorex.

Now here in the States.. we tend to be different. Tire/Insert wars was killing Touring Cars.... until the premounts and handout rules came out for National/Big Race events. This let Joe Shmoe have "somewhat" of an equal chance at winning the race if his car was dialed in and not worry about what the locals or even the factory teams found to be the hot insert/tire combo. So this point is valid.

But goin back to what Ron said... In different words, those who can't drive consistantly enough.. or know how to tune a car will not benefit from a Premounted Takeoff vs Sorex supertuned mega roller self mounted tires. So only those who can and are looking for that extra edge will.

And....... if a spec tire is set for rubber tires.. .why not foams?? Pink vs Purple vs 2 stage vs plaid vs multi~ring vs 63mm vs 56mm vs superglued vs narrowed down vs this and that.. it's all the same... Tires are tires are tires..... They are all different and perform different... :D

[scoot]

Anthony, you are right I have spent a lot of money buying the wrong tires! But I don't think I will spend a lot less on a spec tire, when tires do fall off after 2 or 3 runs then I would be forced keep buying tires that did not suit the track tempeture.I believe it would be better to leave it up to the racer's to choose the tire that they like best.Now I will say if we have a special race, then I could see the benefit of a spec-tire, so the out of town people could know what to bring for sure.I know even at the big race's the best driver's will put a new set of tires on every run. Now if they did not fall off, then that would not be the case. I know a lot of people sell the're 1 or 2 run spec-tires to get some of the're money back and their again!! If those tires were just a good as new they would keep them for the next race. Now if the two tracks that I race at decide to go with a spec tire I will still race and not puff up about it.

P.S. With all my testing with diffrent tires I believe on a cool day sorex-28 with hpi red inserts -- On a warm day sorex-32 with hpi red inserts and
a very hot day sorex-40 with hpi red inserts. And these tires if you run these on the correct track tempeture they will last many runs with-out falling off. And I am sure there are other tires that will work . These 3 are my favorite.

[npresme]

how much faster?

i could always use a set of free tires...lmao :D


If you can go 5 secs faster on new tire I will buy you a set of whatever you want. I am not talking about if you wreck and have 6 secs of time needing a marshall on the old tires and you have a clean run on new tires. That is based on .3 a lap on 17laps.

I am talking lap for lap clean runs.....

Now the question is, can you run 2 races, 5 mins long CLEAN on the 1st race day? I am willing to bet again that you can't? LOL

[npresme]

Scoot- I see your point. but I think you missed a part of the wrong tire/temp deal. you would still be able to run 22/27/32/36 depending on temp. It would just need to be a pre mounted either Take-off or RP.

Your comment about big races is not valid vs. a Club race. Sure at a national EVERYONE is going to use the 3 sets of tires you are allowed. So that doesn't even allow for new tires every run. Sure ppl sell off 1-2 run tires. But the ones that are selling them off are the ones that are TRAVELING to races with spec tire rules and are SELLING off 1-2 run tires because they have SO MANY. not because they are 1-2 tenths slow.

Last yer for the eXpress race, nationals and the Frederick race I would say I bought about 30 sets of tires. So it is beneficial for me to sell 20 sets with 1-2 runs to get some of the money I spent back......But I still kept 10 sets to run CLUB races with.

If these 1-2 run tires were as slow as you want them to be...why did Tag, Brandon and myself sell all of ours in about 30 mins on RCtech???

But like I said earlier I only said something to try to keep cost down for the hobby shop and the racers.

You all have missed the point....

Everyone has come on and said a "spec/controlled tire is so many tenths slower than what I can mount up, I don't see the benefit" Well if you can't mount up those tires every two weeks then a spec/controlled tire will be 17 secs a lap faster than the ones you WERE running..

[JimmyMac]

I just prefer Sorex over Takeoffs like I prefer 7up over Sprite. It just suits my taste... :p

[DBWalker]

With all the discussions about who thinks what is best to run and why, it is no wonder that it is only the same group that show up on Saturday. One reason I gave it up was the fact that I, and I am sure others feel this way also, could not see spending half a paycheck every other week to try to keep up and be more consistent. As far as the tire thing goes, run what you can afford and be happy. I got in it for the FUN factor to begin with, and when the fun began to get too expensive, that was the perverbial "straw" that broke the camel's back so to speak.

When I go to the parking lot or the park to just chase the dog around, there are two main questions that people ask: 1.) How fast does it go? 2.) How much does it cost? I always answer the same. You can make go as fast as you want depending on how much you are willing to put in it. Just the price of a basic TC3 kit with the added cost of electrics/electronics and maybe some spare parts/batteries always draws the same reaction, "OH S___".

Me, I just enjoy playing around with what I have. :D

You guys have a nice day and good racing. :)

[scoot]

Anthony- you say I miss the point on the temp deal. I could be running 22/27/32/36 why not you run what you want and I will run what I want. 28/32/36/40 and if you bought 30 sets of tires and raced every other weekend I bet I bought less and raced every weekend. All I know is that when I run take off's they slow down about 3 10th a lap after 3 runs. When we went to Maryland I noticed alot of people using a new set of tires every run and that was not a National event. Anyways it is just my 2 cents worth dont want to make any one mad.

JIMMY_MAC I like diet Coke... how sick is that!! (HAHHAHAHA)Hope to see everyone Saturday.

P.S. Justan-- I did not let George win.. I tryed my best to win. He was hooked up.

[sedanracer8]

one option is to only allow one set of tires per day. your tires are marked at the start of the first heat, and that is the tires u run for the entire event. maybe mark 5 tires in case you break one. this is the only way to cut cost, cause like u guys said some people will put new tires on every race. run whatever compound/brand/insert you want but if you miss your setup then you just do what you can to make it better with what you have. the one brand/spec tire will not work at either track, but this way the people who want to test still can ( in practice) and the people who want to run premounts can. just knowing that you have that one set for the heats and the main on that particular day.

[JimmyMac]

First off, you don't need new equipment or money to be consistant.. you need practice. That is the one thing alot of people overlook when trying to win and/or trying to being fast. Well that and skills. But practice is the main key.

Also, FUN doesn't have to cost money. But winning does. FUN is what you make of it. To me, people with less patience and attitudes have less FUN than those who are patient and relaxed. When was the last time you seen me throw my car into the ground or garbage or drive it into the wall on purpose??? Never. Why? Because win or loose I always have FUN. The Mini Cooper class is a good example of a FUN class where you don't have to spend money. I finished 2nd in that class with a kit car with bearings and shocks from my other Tamiya car. My motor is a kit motor. And my Battery is well over 2 years old. Alot of people had a faster car. I just drove better than most...

Another note... there have been many times when a small group of us would try to run say... 19t... and let everyone else run Stock so that they could have a chance to win and not worry about battery of the month.. or tire of the week or whatnot. But instead... they follow us and still bitch and complain... go figure.. haha... Sorry.. had to mention that... It has been discussed many times but not really in open forum....

Anyways, debate is good. No one is yelling at another. We are just "express"ing our opinions like how americans should. Anyone is welcome to post what they think. Just like the old saying that deals with.. "if you didn't vote... you don't have the right to complain" haha... So I never vote and complain haha... :D

[sedanracer8]

jmac people follow cause they want to run with the big dogs, i know me personally it would feel like a let down to win in stock against 5 people when the more advanced drivers moved up to let you have a chance, id rather run against competition and lose than win with nobody to race against.

[tarheelquality]

I agree and disagree with Jimmy. First I dont get as much practice as Jimmy and others and I am consistant, consistantly bad :D But the other side of it is I have fun and you dont have to have a ton of money to do that. When I spend money on a charger or some other piece of equipment it is because I enjoy playing with new toys not because I really expect it to make me that much faster.

As far as when the fast guys decide to run mod or 19 turn and folks follow them over, well I am one of the ones that does it but I do it because I like speed and it seems the fun thing to do. I have been doing this for over 20 years and if it wasn't about the fun I sure wouldn't be here. I can be miserable a whole lot cheaper.

Now as far as the tires go Brian's idea has some merrit. I hadn't thought of doing it that way but if you marked whatever tires someone showed up with each race day and they had to run them all day there wouldn't be as much griping about people changing tires 2 to 3 times a day and it would also get people to start running harder tires so they would not fall off as bad and make you work at setup that much more. I remember an articl by Joel Johnson I read last year on setup where one of the things he said he does is run the hardest compound he can to get more life and consistentsy out of a set of tires as possible so you doont see a huge drop off from the start to finish of a heat or race. Now if that is good enough for Joel it is good enough for anyone who races at Durham or the Wood, because while we have some good drivers aint noone at either track a Joel Johnson :p

[sedanracer8]

tom that is the way we do our tires in truck racing except we draw a number for a random set of tires from the track and they are already mounted, when we are done with the night we give them back pretty much a lease, but this is not the way to go cause the track has to have a few sets of tires to put into circulation. the first thing i said is the best way to please everybody i think, just have a track stamp to mark the rims with at the start of the day, no one is going to change their tires off the rim during a race day without someone else policing them.

[tarheelquality]

Yep I agree that if there is going to be any sort of tire policy that would be a good way to go. Of course I am going to run 1/12th this year instead of sedan so it might not matter to me too much anyway.

[JimmyMac]

I dunno about that last comment Tom about Joel... But Justin seems to think he is... haha.. I guess we'll see opening day... :p

I also like Brian's idea of marking a set of tires for that day... Sounds good... Brian.. you racing this summer or getting out of the hobby?? Hey... where's my charger!! :confused:

[nomac]

that's the whole point! people working together for the benefit of everyone! reminds me of the good 'ole days..."alright yall!!! what do ya wanna run??? silicone caps...rubber caps....exotic foam...domestic foam....japanese rubber....ufra black dots.."LOL this is great!
BTW...thanks scoot for that tire tip. i was thinking of that same set-up but didn't wanna commit if one of the fast guys didn't use it. well...my minds made up! i got a lot of help in my tire selection! thanks again yall! happy racing!!

[tarheelquality]

Heck Jimmy, Justin probably doesn't even know who Joel is :D

[scoot]

that's the whole point! people working together for the benefit of everyone! reminds me of the good 'ole days..."alright yall!!! what do ya wanna run??? silicone caps...rubber caps....exotic foam...domestic foam....japanese rubber....ufra black dots.."LOL this is great!
BTW...thanks scoot for that tire tip. i was thinking of that same set-up but didn't wanna commit if one of the fast guys didn't use it. well...my minds made up! i got a lot of help in my tire selection! thanks again yall! happy racing!!

Pete: I hope to see you on the asphalt this year. We will work on you a good set up.Even if it is a rubber tire . Laurie

[Tarheel]

This year, EVERYONE has to run stock mini cooper tires and wheels on asphalt. hehe.
Glenn

[JimmyMac]

Well there you have it folks!!! :D

[nomac]

HOO-RAH!!!!! BRING ON THE SPEED!!!!!!!
Laurie: i know it's an old maid but, my tc this year is an X-ray T1 (pillow-ball car). you ARE laughing with me, right.....TEEHEEE. it's all about the fun and the people.

[tarheelquality]

Pete, you make me feel better, I'm still running the Freedom of Choice T1.

[justin lessard]

Heck Jimmy, Justin probably doesn't even know who Joel is :D


that old fart aint got nothin on me :D BOO-YA!!!

[justin lessard]

Just for that jimmy,I going to LAY THE SMACK DOWN LIKE NEVER BEFORE, :D and if ya'll want a tire war then you'll get one,BIG TIME :cool:

[justin lessard]

a spec tire(RP-30) would give racers that don't have the money to but 20 different tire and insert combo's,and yes some of us will be puting on new tires after every 2-3 runs,so just limit the amounts of sets of tires that you can use in one race day(just have someone mark everyones tires before the race.

[npresme]

Anthony- you say I miss the point on the temp deal. I could be running 22/27/32/36 why not you run what you want and I will run what I want. 28/32/36/40 and if you bought 30 sets of tires and raced every other weekend I bet I bought less and raced every weekend. All I know is that when I run take off's they slow down about 3 10th a lap after 3 runs. When we went to Maryland I noticed alot of people using a new set of tires every run and that was not a National event. Anyways it is just my 2 cents worth dont want to make any one mad.

JIMMY_MAC I like diet Coke... how sick is that!! (HAHHAHAHA)Hope to see everyone Saturday.

P.S. Justan-- I did not let George win.. I tryed my best to win. He was hooked up.

I said before and will say it again...I only said something to try and help out the hobby shop and some that feel they need a $50 set of tires every 2 runs.

Laurie- I did buy 30 maybe more sets and I did race every other weekend. But my 30 sets went to other things than a CLUB race. When you got to a BIG RACE you take what you know you will use and need. But out of those 30 sets I SOLD 20 sets and had 10 to run on last year and the start of this year... NOW I bet you didn't run on 10 sets of tires, did you????? remember I have seen the tire box you have..LOL

You say you saw ppl in MD. mounting new tires every run.... if they were it was because they didn't do thier homework! Tires at that track got faster the more runs you put on them. So those ppl putting new tires on EVERY RUN were hurting themselves. Those ppl were prob. the ones that on a club level are putting new tires on every run there also..LOL So that was all they knew. I know before I went I ask what tire to bring and how many. I was told by 4 different ppl. to bring such and such tire and ONE SET to practice on and one set per class and that I may not even need one of them...... I know Billy, Brandon, Craig, Mike D., JR, KT and WYD were all in the A's and ALL of them ran the same tire EVERY QUAL. and the main.....

As a matter of fact... Laurie you know what the tires looked like when they came off of the MD track, blistered Right?

Those were the same take-offs that I got the "extra" lap on at Durham... inwhich only 3 of us got all last year. Brandon, Justin and Myself.

now tell me premounted tires are so much slower and so much more expensive.

[JimmyMac]

What's the matter Justin, did you get a pay cut on your allowance?? hehe... You need to stop goin to detentin everyday!! :D I think if anyone here is gonna be bad on tires it's Justin.. A new tire every run!!! Oh yeah, I discharged your pack. Do you want the internals and runtime of each cell?? hehe...

GLENN.... I have part numbers for you... You asked about Tamiya shocks... here are some numbers for you...

#49293 (blue)
#49294 (red)
#49355 (special edition blue)
#53571 (gold)

Let me know if they work. Also, could you order some arms for us (me/laurie/charlie/terrell/hank) I know charlie went thru like.. 2 or 3 arms this past Saturday! Part number is

#51104 for the arms.
#51106 2degree hub carrier.
#51107 4degree hub carrier.

Hmmm what other part numbers did you ask for??? Oh yeah..

Mini Cooper S-Grip tires are #53254.
Mini Cooper M-Grip tires are #50684.

edited for Glenn to read easier...

[bmelton]

HOLY COW!! I am offline for like 5 hrs and I have to read through 2 pages, LOL! All good though. I do believe people have just been expressing opinions like Jimmy said and no ones actually "fighting".

[JimmyMac]

Actually Anthony.. I got 19 laps as well as Laurie did too.... So you 3 weren't the only ones... I think I might still have that fastest single lap there or not.. 15sec something I think.... but that means nothing haha...

ps.. George was the first one to "almost" get 19 laps.. :p

[bmelton]

I also like Brian's idea of marking a set of tires for that day... Sounds good... Brian.. you racing this summer or getting out of the hobby?? Hey... where's my charger!! :confused:
Yeah OK, it's a good idea, but who's going to tech them?

An idea that could truely work IF YOU DO THIS is to have Glenn mark 1 set of tires when you sign up in the shop for registration. Only thing is now you have registration taking forever and is a hassle.

BUT- if you do this, you take away everything it is about tire tuning that people like. Do you suck in qualifying so you have the right tire for mains, or do you run a "temp" tire to sit on pole, and then have to hard a tire for the main?? Takes out the money equation, but if it's the not the SAME tire for everyone, it's not really matter that much to control competition.

[npresme]

DB- I understand what you were saying about spending half a check to try and keep up... That is what is running ppl away from this hobby....The win at all cost FOR A CLUB RACE! Now if you are gonna travel and attend Bigger races yeah you are/should expect to spend more money. But at the CLUB LEVEL no one should feel that way........

I mean we have had (either by chose or accident)ppl put 19t arms in stk. cans. Because they thought that was the only way they could keep up. We have had guys mixing and matching Stk. arms and cans ( how much time and money was spent on that) to get that EXTRA one tenth of a sec. a lap.

And now the Biggie, Rumor has it that there are ppl drill balancing arms. I hope no one is going to that cost and trouble for a CLUB RACE.... LOL but I wouldn't doubt it and it really didn't surprise me.

Justin has proven that with a regular ole' motor and regular old batteries and a GREAT set-up you can be SUPER fast! What was it 5 out of 8 weeks he Tq'ed and won.... (I hate giving that little punk credit,LOL) Plus he has been the only one to duplicate the 25 laps we saw out of some of the fastest guys in the hobby.

I know anyone that wants to come look at my motors/batteries, car, tires anything is more than welcome. They would prob. laugh and say how is you car so good on those tires.. on carpet I have been running 2 stage jacos that are down to right at 56mm..when everyone,even the man that owns the company will tell you that the 2 stage tires are supposed to be junk at like 56.5.

I mean 2 weeks ago I should have had the MAGIC 25 laps in Stk. but that darn flapper got me. in the main I had the fastest car on the track but I left my luck in the pits. And all of it was done on a motor that was bouhgt in DEC. and tires that I have been running since Snowbirds. I run an x-ray in which you are supposed to have to rebuild the LEAKY shocks every few runs, Yeha they were rebuild before the Snowbirds. LOL

So don't let ppl tell you that you have to have NEW tires, batteries, motors, brushes kit, ESC, radio, charger or what ever else they say you HAVE to have to be competitive ON A CLUB LEVEL.

As Jimmy said the MOST IMPORTANT THING IS PRACTICE! If you ain't got that the rest doesn't matter..

[scoot]

HOLY COW!! I am offline for like 5 hrs and I have to read through 2 pages, LOL! All good though. I do believe people have just been expressing opinions like Jimmy said and no ones actually "fighting".

Your right no one is fighting!! We are just voicing our thoughts..

Anthony I just hate to throw away all those tires in my case that do not work. So I carry them around so I look like I know what I am doing. HAHA

Glenn I have just crashed my heli with the new blue body!! So I will be buying the other one you have in the shop. I'm glad the parts are cheap, but I am still busting alot and I mean alot of cheap parts. I made rons crash off the garage doors Sat. look minor!! HAHA

[bmelton]

P.S. With all my testing with diffrent tires I believe on a cool day sorex-28 with hpi red inserts -- On a warm day sorex-32 with hpi red inserts and
a very hot day sorex-40 with hpi red inserts. And these tires if you run these on the correct track tempeture they will last many runs with-out falling off. And I am sure there are other tires that will work . These 3 are my favorite.
Laurie, thanks for being willing to share what you have found to be in general a good combo.

Just to clear some things up and offer my honest opinion. The comments about us selling off 1-2 run tires after a race isn't because they will not be up to performance levels. The reason is because after going to 2 or 3 control tire races, we have SO MANY that we can't possibly use them in the same season. If I get 5 sets of tires at 3 races, if I can take a $5 loss per set, I will in order to BUY FOAMS for carpet. I race the rest of them for the remainder of asphalt and sell the rest, it's not because they will suck after the 2 runs.

Something that many seem to overlook is that I did more modified racing last year on asphalt and mod uses a premount tire WAY quicker than stock. I know for a fact that Mike showed up last year on old tires from the worlds and TQ'ed and won stock class, so in stock, the tires are more of a moot point anyway.

[npresme]

HOLY COW!! I am offline for like 5 hrs and I have to read through 2 pages, LOL! All good though. I do believe people have just been expressing opinions like Jimmy said and no ones actually "fighting".


Yeah you guys all know i like all of ya.....EVEN Justin! LOL

No fighting just good ole' debate! I will still come run either way. I just thought that if Glenn could stock 10 sets of one kind of tire insteadof 1 set of 10 different tires it may would be better... But maybe not.

[justin lessard]

What's the matter Justin, did you get a pay cut on your allowance?? hehe... You need to stop goin to detentin everyday!! :D I think if anyone here is gonna be bad on tires it's Justin.. A new tire every run!!! Oh yeah, I discharged your pack. Do you want the internals and runtime of each cell?? hehe...

GLENN.... I have part numbers for you... You asked about Tamiya shocks... here are some numbers for you... #49293 (blue) #49294 (red) #49355 (special edition blue) #53571 (gold) Let me know if they work. Also, could you order some arms for us (me/laurie/charlie/terrell/hank) I know charlie went thru like.. 2 or 3 arms this past Saturday! Part number is #51104 for the arms. And maybe #51106 2degree hub carrier and #51107 4degree hub carrier. Hmmm what other part numbers did you ask for??? Oh yeah.. Mini Cooper S-Grip tires are #53254. Mini Cooper M-Grip tires are #50684.


for starters, I had the fastest lap in durham,me and brandom are tied for the track record(i think or it is very close,i may have it,i can't remember)and i'm not in detention every day,i don't have it anymore :rolleyes: ,and why do you think i would be the one to be bad on tires,you should be ashamed or yourself,you have been racing since the dawn of time and your getting spanked every week by a 15 year old kid :D :rolleyes: :cool: we will see who is bad on tires ,(don't forget,i beat you last year on pre-mounts and i'm gona do it again)haha ,Justin(the bus driver)lessard,and BOO-YA!!! :D

[npresme]

Now for the good stuff....this Sat. will be for sure my last carpet race! it worked out that I can come this Sat. YEAH!

So boys and Jimmy, strap up what you got cause I ain't listen to Justin all summer about being the only one to turn 25 laps. I am running my Stock-a-fied motor, my relabled 4200's and new TIRES every run Sat.!!!!! Hey this win at all cost thing sounds fun!

I am going to go 26 laps!!!!!!! Now what "superboy"? LOL

[scoot]

Actually Anthony.. I got 19 laps as well as Laurie did too.... So you 3 weren't the only ones... I think I might still have that fastest single lap there or not.. 15sec something I think.... but that means nothing haha...

ps.. George was the first one to "almost" get 19 laps.. :p

I remember that day George said that it was funny. That guy can find the good in anything.
Your right we did do 19 laps in Durham I think on the same day. But that 25 laps on Rosewood carpet still haughts me. Oh well maybe this Sat.

Anthony are you going to give that 25 laps a try on Sat. You almost had it last time you raced.

[bmelton]

PLEASE NOTE I am just participating in discussion and will race either way, LOL!! I will be using premounts just because I still have alot from last year (after selling some after the season).

LAST POINT about mix and match tires, and like Jimmy said, racing is $$, or sponsorship at the highest level. He is right, whether it's controlled or not, and it's obviously looking like "not", the front runners will spend alot of money at the wood to go fast. It's really not my business to make outside observations (and also because with sponsorships, I don't purchase many things from hobbyshops) or to make this comment, BUT, I hope that Glenn can get involved in the tires this year, because there will be literally $1000+ dollars spent throughout the season on rubber. It's the local tracks that keep us racing, not the nationals and big races we travel too.

I just know that like real racing, often times the driver isn't the best mechanic, which is one reason I try and stay away from non premounts. I LITERALLY threw a brand new set of 4 tires, rims, and inserts away last year after making a mistake glueing them. It isn't the easiest thing do do correctly for everyone, and it sucks to throw away $45 of unused equipment.

[npresme]

for starters, I had the fastest lap in durham,me and brandom are tied for the track record(i think or it is very close,i may have it,i can't remember)and i'm not in detention every day,i don't have it anymore :rolleyes: ,and why do you think i would be the one to be bad on tires,you should be ashamed or yourself,you have been racing since the dawn of time and your getting spanked every week by a 15 year old kid :D :rolleyes: :cool: we will see who is bad on tires ,(don't forget,i beat you last year on pre-mounts and i'm gona do it again)haha ,Justin(the bus driver)lessard,and BOO-YA!!! :D


But it doesn't count with a 19t arm...LOL :eek: :D :rolleyes:

Yeah but I had the best wreck at Durham, but I heard you will be taking that honor this year...First race Tag shows up to! LOL

[npresme]

Anthony are you going to give that 25 laps a try on Sat. You almost had it last time you raced.

Isn't that why we show up...LOL

See above post, LOL

[JimmyMac]

HAhaha damn.. Justin talks alot of smack. Let's just hope the one track wonder boy can hold up to his word this year.. :p Just don't forget to turn off your radio before the mains. I don't wanna hear any excuses for not running your main because you didn't qualify good like you did 2 weeks ago.. ;)

[Bink]

I like the idea of a spec tire to reduce the cost of racing. Adrian Martinez claims the Take Off CS Series Tires may be a tick slower than Sorex on most tracks, but you can get 8 stock runs on them and they are still fast. One or more of the compounds in this family would get my vote if it keeps the racing fun, competitive, and less costly.

Ronnie

[bmelton]

Another issue..Balancing arms..ROAR rules DO NOT allow altering arm after it leaves factory..so rebalancing is Illegal and I hope we check as I know what to look for as a OEM dealer.. Ballancing is done overseas at MFG.. I can take a good arm that is ballanced and reballance with several grams lighter :rolleyes:

Just thought I would throw that in... :D

Yeah but you are missing one minor point here. It's not a ROAR rack, or ROAR sanctioned races. The Hooters Pro Cup series don't use NASCAR rules at their races. It's all in what the track monitors. I guess it would be like using a slightly larger restrictor plate at Talladega, not enough to look suspicious, but surely enough to help ;) .

[scoot]

Brandon I know you are not selling bad tires to people. Your stuff is always first class.

[JimmyMac]

25 laps in Stock?? Screw that.. I'm goin for Lauries 18 lap record in Mini class!! I might run stock this weekend. Not sure yet. My 415 is tucked away. I might even sell it. I plan on only running my "plastic" car for awhile.. the TA05 carbon tub version. I wanna learn the car before July. So yall are gonna have to take it easy on me for asphalt season. I'm only racing a "toy" car.. ;)

Oh.. speaking of all this spec this and spec that.... Why do you think I race the Tamiya TCS races?!! Not only because it's fun and there are many great people and good friends there. But because everyone is stuck with the same brand of tires (A or B).. same brand of hopups... same brand of cars.. etc etc... A very good example of a regulated racing series.

I think next year... I plan on goin to "most" of the TCS races in the states. Including the Nationals. I think it'll be a fun experience. Alot of great names came from the Tamiya TCS series world wide... 2 World Champs... Surikarn and Marc Rheinard. I think Chris Tosolini did it as well. David Jun.. and a few other top names too. If Brandon or even Justin took the series seriously.. they could win the TCS Nationals and get the free ticket to Japan for the Tamiya Worlds. But everyone has their own goals in racing. I accomplished my first goal. TQ and medaled last year at a TCS race. Now this year it's a Win I'm looking for. Next year it's the Amain for the TCS Nationals. :)

Anyways.. back to my TA05... I might race it on carpet. I won't be fast.. but I'll still have fun nontheless....

Catch yall Saturday... hopefully Glenn'll have my new helicopter. Then I can show you guys how to really crash one!!!! :D

[justin lessard]

jimmy,during the summer i will be going to as many out of town racs as possible,including the tcs race in laurel,i'm not sure if i want to buy a 415 or a ta-o5,when does the ta-05r come out? i only have one thng against tamiya'sTHEY STINK :p

[justin lessard]

boo-ya!!!

[justin lessard]

:D hehe

[JimmyMac]

I'm unsure Justin when the TA05R will be out. If you get a 415, you can only race GT1(19t). If you get a TA05, you can race GT1(19t), GT2(stock), and/or GT3(silver can). So the choice if up to you. That's one reason why I'm goin with the TA05 instead of the 415. I can run both GT1 and GT2. Let me know if you want a TA05 before the 05R comes out. And let me know what parts you want. I can give you part numbers and tell you what's available.

[npresme]

Oh.. speaking of all this spec this and spec that.... Why do you think I race the Tamiya TCS races?!! Not only because it's fun and there are many great people and good friends there. But because everyone is stuck with the same brand of tires (A or B).. same brand of hopups... same brand of cars.. etc etc... A very good example of a regulated racing series.

What!! Aren't you the one from two pages ago talking about I really don't want a Spec/controlled tire but now you are posting the reason you like the TCS is because its SPEC/CONTROL EVERYTHING?????

Isn't that series based on a contol cost factor and a best driver car set-up idea??

[JimmyMac]

Yeah, that's me. But for a club race and iffy rules.. I think I should beable to run whatever I want like I stated a few pages back.. to learn more about it. Why??? Well there is one exception to the TCS rules.... Tamiya Tires and Tamiya Wheels only.. BUT..... ANY brand inserts... ;)

[JimmyMac]

Isn't that series based on a contol cost factor and a best driver car set-up idea??

Uh... yes and NO.... There is NO entry fee for their races. And you win free prizes. However.... they make money off of you buying their tires... their car bodies... their wheels... their hopups... etc etc... So cost control doesn't work. At Frederick.. if you ran A compound tires.. you needed a new set every round!! And Tamiya is not known for their "cheap" prices. However, there are classes that are "cost" effective. But those are mostly for the novice drivers. Best Driver setup... yeah.. everyone runs with the same optional parts... So that does play a key besides driving skill/consistancy.

[npresme]

Yeah they do you Tamiya guys a favor...they make a control race and give you free entries so you will have enough money to race and buy thier new car every few months...LOL

You say you like to test tire/insert/ and rim to earn more about it...so where are you planning on using that knowledge that you are test for? Every race you SHOULD be attending is gonna be a handout tire...sounds like a waste to me...LOL

OH I got it you are testing to be fast on the club level and suck at the big races cause you didn't test what you will be running then...Got it now.......LOL Naw I know you like to Play switch-a-roo thats why you like tamiya so much..you can never learn one of the cars before they have a new one to switch too.

[Dee]

Hey Don.

Do you still have your HPI truck? Maybe we can get together sometime and do a little bashing. My son has a Traxxas Rustler, with a few hop ups, and wheels, and I resurrected the 'ol Losi Junior T truck I bought back about 15yrs ago. It still has the old Novak T4 speed control in it!

We're both running Venom 19t motors (about $16 apiece) and having a blast. I even thought about fixin' a loose dirt oval, just so we can power slide these things through the turns. You know, like OutBack... no rules, just right! :D

Dee.

[JimmyMac]

Haha... I test inserts so I know which insert to use in my TCS races.. Duh.... hehe

Yeah.. I've ran XRay, Tamiya, Yokomo, AE, and Losi. But have yet to own HPI, Corally, Schumacher (never will since Justin races one haha/that and having built one I know now why I don't), and a few others. I think HPI would be next on the list if I did switch again.. haha.

[npresme]

Hey Anthony, from the last thread... I'll buy ya a drink at the new club at the hotel... ;) But it seems like everyone is trying to be like Mike (that's my real name). Everyone is switching cars now! I'm starting to feel left out!! hehe... Hmmmmm I have yet to try HPI.... Hmmmmm hehe... NOO! MSX it will be this year!!!


Yeah this was posted back on page one on 1-31-06 Here we are almost 2 months later and you are gonna "STICK TO THE TA-05" LOL

[scoot]

MY Opion..Spec tire yes we all put new tires on every week Yes..BUT with spec we know which to carry with us for that..Open tire rule I bet I and others have 5 diffrent sets incase track is diffrent for that extra advantage. So do I need 1 spare new set spes tires or 3 or 4 others open tires just in case. Spec tire cheaters..well they should feel proud to be cheating just to try to get something over on somebody..

Another issue..Balancing arms..ROAR rules DO NOT allow altering arm after it leaves factory..so rebalancing is Illegal and I hope we check as I know what to look for as a OEM dealer.. Ballancing is done overseas at MFG.. I can take a good arm that is ballanced and reballance with several grams lighter :rolleyes:

Just thought I would throw that in... :D

I can bring a gram scale for that too...


I ment to comment on this balancing issue earlier. It might be some rule against it but most or at least some motor tuniers do re-balance arms. i do agree the're is a diffents between balancing an arm and trying to getting some sort of unfair advantage by drilling to much.I have listed a web site below you can check it out. They advertise re-balancing. I think most arms are good enough straight from the factory but some have be overlooked and will shake the dyno of the table. And I do not like to pay hard earned money for a motor that has been tuned and vibrates like crazy..And as far as tecking a armitor for balance holes I dont see how you could do it. I have bought many arms directly from Trinity that range from tiny balance holes to holes that are so large that part of the stack flys off making the motor no good. Anyways check out this web page and these are not the only tuners to claim this service.. http://www.teambrood.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_22_86&products_id=707

[JimmyMac]

Yeah this was posted back on page one on 1-31-06 Here we are almost 2 months later and you are gonna "STICK TO THE TA-05" LOL

Screw You!!! LOL!!! :p

[justin lessard]

jimmy,why in heck do you like tamiya so much,their cars are pieces of %#!* they dont even make a front diff for the 415,the cars have a tremendous amount of slop in the parts,the ballcups pop off in you even sneeze on them,you can never run the same car as the pro's because they always have a prototype,and you have to use parts off of other cars to make them work right on carpet.and i think i'm going to order a 05 from tower hobbies,unless you can get it cheap,cheap,and for hop-up all i want is the drivetrain just like your car,white belts,cf shock towers front and rear and carbon chassis,with the same suspension as your car,and the aluminum rear hubs,and of corse the trf shocks(butter)that's why shuie copied um :eek: :cool:

[justin lessard]

was my last post funny or what!,i went from talking bad about tamiya to talking about buying one! :confused: :p

[JimmyMac]

SpeedtechRC has the TA05 for $125 (out of stock though, they sell fast!). I doubt anyone stateside can beat that. Ask Glenn how much he can get it for. Tower has them for $155. Be prepared to spend some money if you want one like mine..... (TCS legal version)

#58353 TA05 NSX car $125
#53893 Tamiya TA05 Light Weight Carbon Chassis $45
#53894 Tamiya TA05 Bulkhead A Parts (Hard Material) $13
#53895 Tamiya TA05 Front/Rear Brace K Parts (Hard Material) $7
#53899 Tamiya Reversible LW suspension kit for TA05 $80
#53836 TA05/F201 48mm Swing Shaft for Universals (1 pair) for using LW suspension on the TA05 $13
#53724 46mm swing shaft Light Weight (1 Pair) Blue Anodized $16
#53877 Tamiya TA05 Front Direct coupling (spool) $21
#53849 TA05 High Precision Diff Joints $16
#53848 TA05 Aluminum Racing Steering Set $28
#53883 Tamiya TA05 Carbon Steering Plate (w/bearing & hardware) $20
#53897 Tamiya TA05 Aramid Low-Friction Drive Belt (blue) $8 x 2
#49360 Tamiya Limited TA05 Titanium Screw set $50
#53845 TA05 Carbon front shock tower $14
#53846 TA05 Carbon shock tower (rear) $16
#49355 Tamiya TRF Damper Special Edition Set (Blue) $67 (I bought mine special ;) $30!!)
#53876 Tamiya Aluminum Damper Retainer (1mm down type) $13
#53784 Tamiya rear hub carrier aluminum (EVO IV, LW SUS, 415MS, TB02R) 1 deg. $37 OR
#53807 Tamiya Aluminum rear upright for LW suspension (1 pair) 0 deg. $37
#53685 Tamiya TRF415 Front Bridge Block (A) $10 x 2
#51065 Tamiya TRF415 Aluminum suspension blocks A $10
#51067 Tamiya TRF415 Aluminum suspension blocks C $10
#53896 Tamiya TRF415/TA05 Aluminum Suspension Mount (E) $10
#49318 Tamiya 3x32mm Aluminum Turnbuckle (w/low friciton ball ends) $13 x 2
#53526 Tamiya 3x23mm Titanium Turnbuckle Shafts $11
#53539 Tamiya 5.5mm Aluminum Spacer Set $8 x 2
#53440 Tamiya On-Road Spring Set for Touring Cars $15

Now mine has a few more aftermarket parts on it as of today. But they are not TCS legal. Also note that I had a large majority of these parts already for my 415 and EvoIV (they all share the same suspension, shock, shim parts). But if you were to start from total scratch.. well it costs much more than todays top of the line cars!!! That's why I suggested waiting for the TA05R. It may only cost around $280 or so with most of these parts already on it..... Also, you don't need all these parts to be fast with it. Alot of it is Bling Bling... and I like Bling Bling!! Don't forget too... I had the TA05 for almost a year now.... So I had time to "build" it up from scratch...... ;)

ps. please do not add up the prices... I don't wanna know how much it really costs... haha...

[Billy McCormack]

lol..funny

Justin at the track reminds me of a little mouse that hardly ever talks and when does , you cant really hear...Get him behind a keyboard though and he turns into Mighty Mouse or (Minnie Mouse) :p :p :p

I can definatley vouch for "some" armatures coming from trinity with holes drilled so big in them the stacks fly off..It just happened to me 3 weeks ago at the WOOD :eek:

[Billy McCormack]

Jimmy - $678.00 :D

[JimmyMac]

That's it!! That's not bad at all for a full optioned out car. Well considering how much I've spent before on a fully optioned out Yokomo........ :rolleyes: lol

I think Hanks TA05 is only the car $125... The suspension $80.. and the Shocks... $50 or $60.... So not bad at all....

[npresme]

If you guys are spilting stacks on a stk. motor you are doing something EXTREMELY WRONG!!

I have been racing R/C cars for (just walked back and looked) since 1990. I have raced Dirt Oval, off-road and now TC's. I have never even seen someone split a stack on a stk. motor. Unless they admitted to tampering with the arm themselves.....

The way you check for a Drilled arm is by weight.. There are ways to tech all electric motors. They can be teched for wire guage, length and wraps all with out unwinding the arm.

Sure you may get an arm from Trinity that has small holes this time and big ones next. it maybe heavier on one side vs/ the other. It maybe closer to balanced from the manu. than the next. The reason is they will balance the arm the BEST THEY CAN to get it down to the minimum weight that ROAR allows. (just an ex. don't know anythig about balancing) One arm may need a .01 hole in one stack and .05 hole in another, the next arm may need a .1 in one stack. After that if it is still not "balanced" the best it can be they are still gonna sell it... They aren't gonna sit on every arm that isn't perfect.

[justin lessard]

I'll just wait for the TA-05r,I'll start running more tcs races next year

[henryj]

That's it!! That's not bad at all for a full optioned out car. Well considering how much I've spent before on a fully optioned out Yokomo........ :rolleyes: lol

I think Hanks TA05 is only the car $125... The suspension $80.. and the Shocks... $50 or $60.... So not bad at all....


Yeah thats about right, except I paid 39.99 for the shocks when Tower had them on sale! Joseph ran a set of B-3 tires all day in two classes and was fast enough to make the gt-2 A, just had some weird luck. He made the gt-3 A, and finished 6th, so not to bad. I ran a four or five year old F-1 with the latest hop-ups. TQed and stood a great chance to win that class, so I had a great time. Got a medal last year, now I want a gold medal, first place, so I'll keep trying.
As far as the tire thing goes, Ill run when I can, under the rules the tracks have. Just would like to say Thanks to Glenn for providing a place for us to race at, wish I could go every week, but I have other commitments.
Right now I am hoping to be at the Wood for opening day outside as well as TRRAC, so Ill be seeing you fellas then.

Henry and Joseph

[sedanracer8]

ya jimmy im still going to run when work allows, rodney claims to be coming to the first race at durham, and he claims hes going to have your money. as far as if that happens i cant promise but i hope he does. the tire rule i stated will work, on your first heat the tires that are on your car when u go through pre tech are marked in some way along with one or two spares. you have those tires for the entire event, you can only change to one of your spares if you have a broken rim or something else making the tire unable to be run. it wont throw out the tire tuning option because you will have all morning for testing that perfect compound you want to run for that day. between 1-3pm in the summer you pretty much know what the track temp is going to be for that day, barring the R@!N word. i know this will probably never happen but it will work, it works at every local short track in va,nc, and sc on a weekly basis so it would work for R/C. like

[scoot]

If you guys are spilting stacks on a stk. motor you are doing something EXTREMELY WRONG!!

I have been racing R/C cars for (just walked back and looked) since 1990. I have raced Dirt Oval, off-road and now TC's. I have never even seen someone split a stack on a stk. motor. Unless they admitted to tampering with the arm themselves.....

The way you check for a Drilled arm is by weight.. There are ways to tech all electric motors. They can be teched for wire guage, length and wraps all with out unwinding the arm.

Sure you may get an arm from Trinity that has small holes this time and big ones next. it maybe heavier on one side vs/ the other. It maybe closer to balanced from the manu. than the next. The reason is they will balance the arm the BEST THEY CAN to get it down to the minimum weight that ROAR allows. (just an ex. don't know anythig about balancing) One arm may need a .01 hole in one stack and .05 hole in another, the next arm may need a .1 in one stack. After that if it is still not "balanced" the best it can be they are still gonna sell it... They aren't gonna sit on every arm that isn't perfect.



I can not explain why this has never happened to you or you have never seen it. Last summer I bought a pro monster stock from Glenn on the second run a chunck of the Laminate flew off and locked up the car. Went back in the store and bought the second pro stock motor and to my surprise it done the same thing. I think the're will be other's that remember this. Glenn even felt bad that this happened and gave me a discount.

I sent the 2 bad motors back to Trinity and they replaced them free of charge. I think Billy had an arm come apart and failed a couple of weeks ago. I guess when you are talking about weighing an arm you are talking about compairing a balanced arm againest a un-balanced arm to see what the weight diffrents is.I don't see how they could have a minimum weight when a Roar stock weighs on thing and a monster stock weights another, and the new Co27 is the heaviest of the three and they claim the heaver weight makes the motor more efficiant and faster.

If anyone is removing too much material I believe it would have a negitive effect anyway.I weighed a monstor stock arm just to see what it weighed and it was 40g. I drilled 6 super large holes in it and re- weighed it and it weighed 39g. I did this just to see what the weight diffrence would be.Now my scales may not be the best in the world I am not sure. I have not seen any arms around the track that looked like someone was trying to cheat.You can always tech my motor if you want.

However I have seen one guy using Paragon ground effects. I wonder if he had gotten that 25 laps would he have throwed it out.

I don't know why you tend to be so critical of people at Rosewood/Durham I have heard nobody mention that they thought people were cheating at the north/south shoot out. And nobody mentioned a thing about weighing those arms. With all this being said you need to quite tearing up the flapper's and maybe you'll beat Me!!

[Billy McCormack]

Here is my "untouched" motor from trinity

I was geared at aournd 25.00..The motor actually still ran like this and came off the track at about 75 F..

http://www.thercspeedway.com/images/trinity-arm.jpg

[npresme]

However I have seen one guy using Paragon ground effects. I wonder if he had gotten that 25 laps would he have throwed it out.

I don't know why you tend to be so critical of people at Rosewood/Durham I have heard nobody mention that they thought people were cheating at the north/south shoot out. And nobody mentioned a thing about weighing those arms. With all this being said you need to quite tearing up the flapper's and maybe you'll beat Me!!


I will man up and say I used paragon last time I was there. But I had just enough in the can to get me thru 1 race day and I wasn't going to buy a $8 bottle of Niftech when I thought that was the last time I was running carpet and have the bottle sit all year with the seal broken and have just enough in the Paragon can to smell it all year either. But I just used the "SILVER CAN" therory like I see so many others doing... So what are you using that you have in your silver can that must be heated???

You didn't hear anyone talking about cheating at the North/South race because NONE OF THE GUYS IN THE A MAIN at that race would drill out arms or switch out arms to win a race or run a car that is underweight or anythig else like that .... They don't need to!

You say I am SO critical of the ppl at Rosewood and Durham, yeah maybe I am, But since I started racing there I have seen some ppl CHEAT to win a club race... You kinnda ??? some of the things you hear and SEE.

Yeah if I hadn't hit that flapper I would have gotten the 25 laps and I may have won the main. I am so glad you work so hard to beat me.

I shouldn't have a problem this weekend, all this time you have been posting on here has had to cut into the 20 hours you normally spend during the week rebuilding your car and "PLAYING" with motors! HUH :D

[Ron Zee]

Sill ealy in the week but who'll be at the Wood this weekend? Should I try the 415 one more time or just use the mini and try to take out Lauries car? Oh and Jimmy, if by chance you did get rid of your msx, what would it cost?

[scoot]

Anthony I want to assure you that it is niftech in my can. And I heat it up as an experiment. I am always looking for a edge.. that's what racer's do. If you or anyone else would like to try some of it this weekend you are certainly welcome. I don't know for sure if it helps but I think with it heated up it soaks in the tire better.

Your excuse for using Parigon ground effects sounds a little lame to me what's another $8 bucks with the thousands we spend on this hobby!!!

If it was up to me I would allow all types of compound so no buddy would have to question any thing. The one person that compained the most about the smell does'nt even race anymore. But we are stuck with the silly compound rule!!

This is another reason why I do not want to start a spec-tire rule because everybody
will just have one more thing to question about or tech. I would rather race and have fun and not worry about what is on other peoples car's like sauce,tires.

[npresme]

To be honest I was more than likely at a disadvantage with the Pargagon with no one else using it..but I assure you the reason was I didn't want to buy a bottle was becasue of the end of the season..... But if I had known then that I was going to be able to race this weeknd I would have bought it last time cause now sat. I am in the same situation I was two weeks ago, but with out any paragon or niftech..LOL

Yeah I also knew that the person that didn't like paragon hasn't raced in over a year..

But my excuse isn't as lame as the one of mixing arms and cans doesn't make a difference and drilling out arms doesn't do anything.....

So let me get this right, I want to make sure I understand. You sit down with a dyno and 3-4-5 different motors take the time to mix arms and cans and brushes and springs to find out which arm/can combo produces the most RPM or Torque or both I would guess.... and then build off of that with springs and brushes to get even more RPM or Torque? then on top of that you drill it out EVER so slightly to get less rotating mass to get more RPM on the big end and more torque out of the corner with a faster spool up.

But you sit and do all of this cause it doesn't make a difference right? LOL You said that you had drilled arms and could only get 1 gram out of them and you don't see how that could make that much of a difference. You were sitting there with a dyno you didn't see that it had more RPM and Torque??? Tell Chad Knauss he can take one pound of rotating mass out of Jimmy J. car and see if he doesn't jump all over that!!!!

Oh and as for the weight of arms. the reason you weighed all of them and saw a difference, is the way the motors are designed... when Trinity/Epic/Yokomo come out with a new design on a motor they use weight of arm, magnetic field, number or rotors on the stack and such to get what they want out of that motor. IE more torque/rpm based motors. Like the P2k vs a monster one being a torque based motor and the other a RPM based motor.

But when they submit that motor to ROAR they tell them that with that arm/can/endbell design the arms will weigh so much +/- the tolerance that is allowed in the production of the arm....hince they can only "Balance" an arm so well with what they have and still know that when "Joe Racer" buys that motor for a ROAR/IFMAR race he want get DQ'ed out of it for an illegal motor. So that is why a Co27 arm weighs more than a monster arm or a P2K2 arm is lighter than a whatever arm..

[npresme]

But to be honest if you or anyone else feels they need to do any of this. or stretch the boundries to the very edge to win a club race...then be my guest. I will feel even better when I know I had the fastest car either way..... BOO-Ya (am I allowed to say that, isn't that just a Shuie/Trinity thing)

[bmelton]

I am observing from the outside and not sharing my opinions of right/wrong and cheat/fair, but from just what has been written, here are two obvious things that struck me out of this.

40 grams to 39 grams. Yeah, doesn't sound like much when you say it's just one gram, but when you take a 22,000 RPM motor, and give it 1/40th more RPM it comes out to 22,550 RPM. Now the numbers looks a little larger and become reality, thus explaining the oddly low rollouts people share but maintain so much top speed.

Second point about the traction compound. The only person who had a problem with it isn't around. If weight, motors, tire diameter, and other "rules" that get by passed aren't teched, why is it wrong to use a different sauce, when there's much more beyond that?? Not defending the sauce or taking anybody's side, just neutral reading observation.

If a highend crankshaft weighs 40 lbs and you decrease the crank to 39 lbs, it will wake up that 800HP engine that turns 9300 RPM.

[bmelton]

Anthony may be more openly verbal about his feelings than some, but I would be willing to bet there are some who feel the same way, just don't want to "speak up" about it. More people read than type, and I am sure that the ones who don't participate in the actions Anthony is discussing feel the same he does.

On that note- I also want to say that at no point does Anthony try and cause trouble at the race track. He races clean, talks to everyone, gets along, respects the track and facility and doesn't take actions on the message boards out on anyonein person, or at the THE WOOD. This discussion forum is owned by car action, and has a thread in it about Rosewood. In no way is Anthony disrespecting Glenn or the track by posting his feelings here. It's an open internet forum and is being used to openly share views/opinions about R/C racing. Just my .02

[DBWalker]

pres---hopefully i can get to the wood to watch a few races. i love the comraderie and fellowship, i just don't have the time for the racing side of it like i once did. take care and good racing. :)

dee---i still have the hpi truck. i have a fantom 19t in it and have put an older novak speed control capable of handling 10 cells. i left the street shocks on it with the off-road set-up, and man does it bounce around. i like to get it charged up and chase the neighbor's dog, and sometimes their kids. :eek: the little rats don't stand a chance to catch it. :D it would be nice to get it out to the dirt track and see if it can still handle the rigors of competition.

jimmy mac---do you think that the E-MAXX would be capable of pulling a small lightweight wagon about the same size as the truck, only lighter, without tearing up the drivetrain? speed would not come in to play, just fast enough to carry Easter eggs around to two year olds on a smooth grassy surface. i ask because you used to have one. thank you in advance.

[DBWalker]

Amen brandon. Preach on brother. :cool:

[scoot]

To be honest I was more than likely at a disadvantage with the Pargagon with no one else using it..but I assure you the reason was I didn't want to buy a bottle was becasue of the end of the season..... But if I had known then that I was going to be able to race this weeknd I would have bought it last time cause now sat. I am in the same situation I was two weeks ago, but with out any paragon or niftech..LOL

Yeah I also knew that the person that didn't like paragon hasn't raced in over a year..

But my excuse isn't as lame as the one of mixing arms and cans doesn't make a difference and drilling out arms doesn't do anything.....

So let me get this right, I want to make sure I understand. You sit down with a dyno and 3-4-5 different motors take the time to mix arms and cans and brushes and springs to find out which arm/can combo produces the most RPM or Torque or both I would guess.... and then build off of that with springs and brushes to get even more RPM or Torque? then on top of that you drill it out EVER so slightly to get less rotating mass to get more RPM on the big end and more torque out of the corner with a faster spool up.

But you sit and do all of this cause it doesn't make a difference right? LOL You said that you had drilled arms and could only get 1 gram out of them and you don't see how that could make that much of a difference. You were sitting there with a dyno you didn't see that it had more RPM and Torque??? Tell Chad Knauss he can take one pound of rotating mass out of Jimmy J. car and see if he doesn't jump all over that!!!!

Oh and as for the weight of arms. the reason you weighed all of them and saw a difference, is the way the motors are designed... when Trinity/Epic/Yokomo come out with a new design on a motor they use weight of arm, magnetic field, number or rotors on the stack and such to get what they want out of that motor. IE more torque/rpm based motors. Like the P2k vs a monster one being a torque based motor and the other a RPM based motor.

But when they submit that motor to ROAR they tell them that with that arm/can/endbell design the arms will weigh so much +/- the tolerance that is allowed in the production of the arm....hince they can only "Balance" an arm so well with what they have and still know that when "Joe Racer" buys that motor for a ROAR/IFMAR race he want get DQ'ed out of it for an illegal motor. So that is why a Co27 arm weighs more than a monster arm or a P2K2 arm is lighter than a whatever arm..


Anthony you are right. I have done a lot of testing and tuning on Motors's. However I will say it again... I don't drill out arms, if you rebalance a motor
(very few need to be rebalanced) my guesse is you would only have to take of like 1 or 2/10th of one gram.. but you seem to be thinking that I drill all my arms to get some sort of advantage. And again I will say I DO NOT !!Don't think for a minute that John Tag has not spent many hours dyno and testing and it is not wrong to do it.
As far as the paragon goes I was not talking about last race you where at it was several weeks ago. I think it was the last week that Hank raced.
Therfore if it was not helpful to you several weeks ago I don't see why you would use it again expessially over the $8.00 bit. And this is a track rule that everybody knows. So there really isnt no excuse you were looking for a edge too! I don't know if we are proving anything about all this but anybody reading this don't think we are fighting, just Friendly RC talk.

[scoot]

I am observing from the outside and not sharing my opinions of right/wrong and cheat/fair, but from just what has been written, here are two obvious things that struck me out of this.

40 grams to 39 grams. Yeah, doesn't sound like much when you say it's just one gram, but when you take a 22,000 RPM motor, and give it 1/40th more RPM it comes out to 22,550 RPM. Now the numbers looks a little larger and become reality, thus explaining the oddly low rollouts people share but maintain so much top speed.

Second point about the traction compound. The only person who had a problem with it isn't around. If weight, motors, tire diameter, and other "rules" that get by passed aren't teched, why is it wrong to use a different sauce, when there's much more beyond that?? Not defending the sauce or taking anybody's side, just neutral reading observation.

If a highend crankshaft weighs 40 lbs and you decrease the crank to 39 lbs, it will wake up that 800HP engine that turns 9300 RPM.


Brandon I may not have made my point clear. I hope I can clear this up.
I have never weighed an arm in my 20 years in RC. And I just did some excesive drilling just to see how much diffrence in weight it would be. I did not mean to sound like I would race and arm that had been drilled to be lighten.I had just read what Tag had posted about several grams and I was curious to find out for my self.And there would be no way to take several grams off a Monster stock and still have any thing left. I am going to bring this arm to the track Sat. if anyone would like to see it. Again I would never think about running it.

[JimmyMac]

Don, I see no problem with the EMaxx pulling a small wagon with Easter eggs. Just give it a spin and see. Just as long as you are not trying a "Truck pull competition"!! hehe... If it worries you though.. you could always toss on a smaller pinion on both motors.... This should make it more torquier and easier to pull.

Well... guess what... I got my Heli from Glenn today... Hey Laurie.. what frequency are you on??? Glenn wasn't sure. Just don't wanna cause a conflict if we try to fly together at the track this weekend....

[justin lessard]

:p anthony,you think you can hit 25 on saterday?haha,just don't let ron say " OOOooohh!!!!,He hit a Flappeeer!!! ,and BOO-YA!!!

[bmelton]

Well... guess what... I got my Heli from Glenn today... Hey Laurie.. what frequency are you on??? Glenn wasn't sure. Just don't wanna cause a conflict if we try to fly together at the track this weekend....
Out of curiousity, how much are those helis? I need something to "play" with at the house and not abuse my race stuff. Heli wouldn't take up much room if they are cheap.

If you would like me to send you a BAD A$$ video of a fighter jet R/C plane, post your email addy here. This thing is unreal!!!! Even has after burners!

[npresme]

The only time I have used Paragon in a RACE this year at Rosewood was last weekend. Yes I have used it in practice, before I went to the snowbirds just to see if I could/would feel/see anything different while I was there. Funny thing is last week my lap times were slower but more consistant.. But I still ran a slower overall time.... Guess I can teach myself a lesson with that huh?

Laurie you and I are more different than you think. I don't sit around and look for every little advantage I can get for a CLUB race. I don't worry if this batch of F brushes is going to be better than that batch off 767. Or if I tweak this spring just a little will I get more this or that. Or will this insert make me .1 a lap faster. I think its funny how ppl spend THOUSANDS of dollars to win club races. I have always said that. Even when I ran Off-road guys mounting up holeshots cause they had 2-3 pins missing, and I was racing on tires with 2-3 rows missing and running all over them.. LOL

Ask Tag, even at the big races when he ask what combo do you want I say "whatever you put in that motor, I don't care, its a brush" Even when I went to his place two weeks ago to pick up batteries, I needed brushes. He ask what ya want I said any you got..

But its all good I will still come race and I will still say that you aren't going to make me believe HALF of what you are saying you are doing...LOL I have ears and eyes and have been doing this a long time......

[npresme]

:p anthony,you think you can hit 25 on saterday?haha,just don't let ron say " OOOooohh!!!!,He hit a Flappeeer!!! ,and BOO-YA!!!
Justin- I am gonna hit something Sat. Either a Flapper or 25 laps! LOL

[bmelton]

:p anthony,you think you can hit 25 on saterday?haha,just don't let ron say " OOOooohh!!!!,He hit a Flappeeer!!! ,and BOO-YA!!!
All I gotta say is that after all this talkin, he better get 25 laps, LOL!!

Laurie- OK, it's just that what I read sounded like you were using arms that you made from 40g to 39g :confused: . Yes, Tag has spent alot of timeon dynos, but always testing it just like it comes from Trinity, not after having tampered with the arm or having it rebalanced.

[npresme]

All I gotta say is that after all this talkin, he better get 25 laps, LOL!!

Laurie- OK, it's just that what I read sounded like you were using arms that you made from 40g to 39g :confused: . Yes, Tag has spent alot of timeon dynos, but always testing it just like it comes from Trinity, not after having tampered with the arm or having it rebalanced.


Awe don't be bitter you haven't hit 25 laps...LOL

[bmelton]

Bottom line is, when all is said and done at the end of the day, the track doesn't monitor it, so it ain't cheating. I am sure I got enough modified motor building buddies who can drill balance me a stock armature, or hell for that matter, hand wind me a 27T, who would know?

[bmelton]

Awe don't be bitter you haven't hit 25 laps...LOL
Your right, I hit 27 laps, in modified, :p .

Haven't tried in stock near as many as you have, LOL :rolleyes: .

[scoot]

[QUOTE=bmelton]Bottom line is, when all is said and done at the end of the day, the track doesn't monitor it, so it ain't cheating. I am sure I got enough modified motor building buddies who can drill balance me a stock armature, or hell for that matter, hand wind me a 27T, who would know http://www.teambrood.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_22_86&products_id=707

[Billy McCormack]

Out of curiousity, how much are those helis? I need something to "play" with at the house and not abuse my race stuff. Heli wouldn't take up much room if they are cheap.

If you would like me to send you a BAD A$$ video of a fighter jet R/C plane, post your email addy here. This thing is unreal!!!! Even has after burners!


$200 for the cx

[Billy McCormack]

Anthony may be more openly verbal about his feelings than some, but I would be willing to bet there are some who feel the same way, just don't want to "speak up" about it. More people read than type, and I am sure that the ones who don't participate in the actions Anthony is discussing feel the same he does.

On that note- I also want to say that at no point does Anthony try and cause trouble at the race track. He races clean, talks to everyone, gets along, respects the track and facility and doesn't take actions on the message boards out on anyonein person, or at the THE WOOD. This discussion forum is owned by car action, and has a thread in it about Rosewood. In no way is Anthony disrespecting Glenn or the track by posting his feelings here. It's an open internet forum and is being used to openly share views/opinions about R/C racing. Just my .02

So now Anthony needs his own personal Disclaimer...lmao..j/k :D

[npresme]

So now Anthony needs his own personal Disclaimer...lmao..j/k :D


Naw I just got my BIATCH to post that for me....LMAO!

[JimmyMac]

I don't think it's fair you pick on Laurie for spending HIS own money to race or build up his car for just CLUB racing. After all it is HIS hobby to do as he chooses and whatever makes him happy. Not everyone has the same goals or perception as to what Club racing should be. Or what racing HAS to be. He doesn't care about Nationals. He doesn't care to drive 5+ hours to race against the "Pros". He just likes to have fun at Rosewood and Durham. You gotta remember, the hard core traveling racer is only a very small portion of the pie. You're in the pie.. he's not. Why should he have to drive 7 hours to have some fun when he only has to drive 2?! Blah blah blah LoL.... :D

Anyways, I have had some armatures come apart on me. Very few... but I have had this happen. Especially the Roar Stocks when they came out. I think I posted a pic of this a year or so ago on this website. Blah blah blah hehe...

Brandon, as what Billy said... the heli costs $189.95 plus tax. It has EVERYTHING you need to fly right out of the box. All you have to do is charge up the battery and GO!! It's pretty fun!! I just flew/hovered mine in my bedroom over the bed. I can't wait to get it out and fly it either at Glenns... or on a calm day. I think Glenn got 6 in today and only 2 are left! He sells out all the time. But he gets them back in the next week. It's called the Blade CX. It's much much easier to fly than my other one the Blade CP. I would highly recommend the Blade CX as a first heli and as "something else" to do around the house..... That's why I got one. Actually I now have 3 MicroHeli's.... I'm slowly.. but surely catching up to my Touring cars I have laying around... haha...

Well you guys are talking about doin 25laps... Well I'm gonna try and do 24 with my "plastic" tub car... so beat that!!! Catch yall Saturday!!! :p

[bmelton]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9219568793902200741&q=R%2FC+airplane&pl=true

I WANT ONE OF THESE!!!!

For $200 I can get me a nitro boat, which I think I want.

[JimmyMac]

Oh Brandon.. here is my email for the jet plane video... kilruf@yahoo.com

[bmelton]

Yeah, I would like to have a heli so I could fly behind the neighbors house when they are outside, and mess with them, LOL.

[bmelton]

Cool, I'll send it to you tonight about 10:30, it's on my home PC.

[JimmyMac]

aaiiight... sounds coolio....

[Ron Zee]

Yee Haa!! Motor in a vise,,, anybody got one I can use? LOL

How can I hook up nitrous to a Johnson motor,,,,

Maybe I'll use the third channel to shoot BB's at Lauries mini,,,,LOLOLOL

[DBWalker]

Jimmy Mac---Thank you. I will have to send you a picture of what the finished product will look like. :)

[GAR]

Laurie you work on your crap more than me, therefore you must be cheating. ;)

All those out there who thinks Laurie is cheating don't be scared lets hear from you.


All those out there who Laurie has helped in the past lets hear from you also.

I wonder which group will be larger.


George

[Tarheel]

Laurie has helped me to go 17 laps with my mini. He is the true racer that does it for fun. Laurie, your in trouble now. I stuck up for you so get ready to hear it now. lol
Glenn

[bmelton]

All those out there who thinks Laurie has helped them cheating don't be scared lets hear from you.

George

Haha, you said it your self in two different sentences, just didn't know it!! ;)

Sorry, had to, you made it too easy, LOL!

[npresme]

Laurie has helped me to go 17 laps with my mini. He is the true racer that does it for fun. Laurie, your in trouble now. I stuck up for you so get ready to hear it now. lol
Glenn


Hey is this like the Chad K. (Laurie) and Jimmy J. (Glenn) deal???? Jimmy J. doesn't even know when hes driving a cheated up car? LOL

[bmelton]

Good one Ant, LOLOL!!

J/K Laurie, just too many opportunities to make jokes. Catch ya'll on the 15th hopefully.

[npresme]

Yeah its all in fun...if guys don't cheat to give Justin and myself some TRUE COMPETITION it wouldn't be worth driving 2 hrs each way to race...... LMAO

[npresme]

Laurie you work on your cheating, more than me. ;)


All those out there who Laurie has helped in cheating don't be scared lets hear from you.


George


Brandon get it right....This is the way I read it! LOL

[npresme]

Its all in good humor, now! This is the most posting this thread has had in ALONG TIME...

[Tarheel]

I can't wait till i reach cheating status. You know you have arrived if people call you a cheat. lol.
Glenn

[Jim Rufiange]

Are y'all running indoors or oudoors this weekend?

[Billy McCormack]

Are y'all running indoors or oudoors this weekend?


indoors