Pro Painters Services Needed

[VENOMOUS]

Venom Racing is looking for some top notch pro painters to help get our new bodies into our factory colors. We are looking for the latest in talent, technique, and design so if you think you have what it takes to crank out the sweetest paint jobs around then let us know. Our body and your paint job could be featured in magazines and online all over the world!

Contact me directly at chris@venom-racing.com

VENOM RACING R&D

[adrcracing]

I take it you didn't like my price then? Are you looking for free work? Lol If you want "the latest in talent, technique, and design," it will cost you.


Here's what you get when you pay!

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[The King]

I agree with adrcracing, you pay for what you get.

[adrcracing]

Thanks King. Good to see your still around. Have you seen Charlie B's new site?! http://cfxpaintworks.com/index.php

[RespirologyRC]

King, how you doing? I've been looking for you for a while. Want to do another paint-off? Can you HANDLE this? hahahahah

Adrcracing I just bought that real fire CD. Hopefully it will not be to difficult to do on these tiny shells.

[VENOMOUS]

@ADRCRACING
Wait a minute, I never said we wanted free work done at expert levels. We will pay for the paint job no problem. In fact the sooner the better.

Actually, I sent you an email directly and I didnt get a reply, I did go to you basically first.

Contact me if your interested in the project.

Chris

[adrcracing]

Sorry, I never received a reply.

[Blacktiger]

Long time no see King!

Also I would be interested as well!

I am currently working on the 8th scale body I recieved.

[adrcracing]

I still haven't received a reply, PM me here if you need too.

[VENOMOUS]

I still haven't received a reply, PM me here if you need too.

Personal email sent this morning. Thanks.

[VENOMOUS]

Long time no see King!

Also I would be interested as well!

I am currently working on the 8th scale body I recieved.

Oh cool did we send you one? Lets see it in as soon as you can, on the car. :D

[adrcracing]

Chris still needs a painter, so go back to the top of this page and email him.

[Blacktiger]

Chris, email sent.

[luvnitro]

Thanks King. Good to see your still around. Have you seen Charlie B's new site?! http://cfxpaintworks.com/index.php
Hey Adrcracing, beautiful job. Is the body used a Proline Silverado HD style for the LST, MGT trucks? Thanks.

[adrcracing]

Yep!

[VENOMOUS]

I signed up a couple of painters to get us going so thanks for helping me get the word out. I also statred a list of painters to call on for future projects.

If, big IF, we had a contest to paint bodies using a Venom body, what would be a cool prize that is realistic for the top painter? What about a year end prize?? What could that be?
Again keep it real, not trip to Hawaii or something crazy, but an ad featuring the winners body or ?? Just another free body to paint or ??

I'm interested to see what you guys think about this considering the other contests and concours events for painting that are around.

Chris

[designt1]

contests are just fun and gives me a chance to wow over other artist's work. As far as a prize, free bodies is always a plus, anything airbrush related I'm sure would be good. Just my thoughts...

[Piggy89373]

I'm sure there are others who share my viewpoint, so I'll be the first to speak up and take the blame for it.

Chris, IMO, giving a free body to a pro painter for being judged against his/her fellow painters and winning is a slap in the face. I'd be incredibly offended by it. An ad would be a good starting point.

The thing that non-professional painters don't realize is that all these works of art these pros create have their name all over it. Their name is their business and reputation. Without it, they'd be on a street corner with a sign in one hand and a cup in the other. If you want to give a prize to a pro for painting one of your bodies, then make it a prize worth going for. An ad is a good start, but shouldn't be considered the end-all of prizes. Toss in a good quality Iwata High Line or a high quality Roland Vinyl Cutter and you'd have a legitimate prize.

The perfect prize for most concourse builders like Mike Villena would be a full time position that pays well and lets them work with both the body designers as well as the advertising team to create stuff that will garner attention from consumers.

Lastly, I'm not sure this type of forum is the best vehicle to go about your business venture. Honestly, my first impression was a scam. I know this is not a scam, but it really came off that way.

I'm not flaming you, so please don't take it as such. I'm just giving you my feelings and impressions on this. Far too often, I've heard some of the "war stories" from pros who've been wrangled into doing freebies, demos, charity work with nothing to show for all their hard work and effort except a headache and a bad attitude. I have far too much respect for anyone willing to paint for money to let the above happen to people I call friends.

[designt1]

Piggy-

Agreed, an ad would be a good starting point. Especially to people like myself who are trying to get their name out.

[2ndGeneration]

here here Piggy, well put.

[VENOMOUS]

We have niether the need nor the desire to scam anyone with this request for painters to come forward if they are interested. The two guys who I signed up for this round of bodies are being paid to paint for us, period. Lets be clear about that.

Second this is a legitimate question, regarding the contest, and I am truely interested in hosting this sort of contest sponsored by Venom Racing. Thats why I asked what would make it worth your while to go after our prize? So the question remains, what is the prize? An airbrush or some studio equipment or a cash prize, the ad I mentioned (that would be a given I think) or a combo of things, you tell me?

Chris

[Stalker911]

Those are great ideas Piggy!

[designt1]

hmmmm.... I think it's going to be hard to say from what one person to another thinks is a great prize.

Here's a couple of ideas, maybe a little far-fetched, but hey...they're ideas!

-Iwata Airbrush (like one of the Hi-Line models) with hose and 10 bottles of paint??
-A good size ad in a popular RC magazine with credits to the artist
-Money is always good!
-An "lot" of paints (like all the spaz stix sets, etc..)
-A gift certificate for Applebees :D Just kidding, that's all the ideas I have.

[Stalker911]

Not that I could possibly win but I really liked the vinyl cutter idea...

[designt1]

^ yep, that's a good one..forgot about piggy saying that.

[Stalker911]

Chris, I sent you a private message on here...

[Blacktiger]

Here it is all done guys! I'l try to get some mounted pics later this week. Need to clean the buggy up some first.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e377/Blacktiger355/Pinstep13.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e377/Blacktiger355/Pinstep13-2.jpg

[LEADFOOT]

awesome job!

I LOVE it. :D

[Blacktiger]

Thanks Josh! It flows pretty good with the body shape don't you think?

[The King]

Nice and clean for now, I like the bright color for race day. Great job!

[Buggyracer28]

That is the sweetest 1/10 buggy body i have EVER seen. Incredible design. awesome lol

[Blacktiger]

Thanks Buggyracer28, it is the 8th scale body though!

[RGX BLADE]

tiger cool paint job.......

piggy...you make some good points...but giving a prize is not so much a slap in the face to other painters?? i think it gives a goal...???
on the other hand very expensive prizes such as a Vinyl cutters may be a bit much??.....i could see it for "Automotive" painters and show car painters??
some cutters such as some of the ones we use are as much as 6K
the best prize we get from our services is the killer smiles!!
but i guess it depends i supose???.....an Ad may be a good start? but even those can run as high as 2,700 to 5K "Some" manufactures may not have it in there advertising Buget to do this....some can but most wont...
but for the most part do understand were your coming from....but as a manufacture myself...i see the other side of the fence as well....
but just my Opinon....but understand your point.....

[adrcracing]

tiger cool paint job.......

piggy...you make some good points...but giving a prize is not so much a slap in the face to other painters?? i think it gives a goal...???
on the other hand very expensive prizes such as a Vinyl cutters may be a bit much??.....i could see it for "Automotive" painters and show car painters??
some cutters such as some of the ones we use are as much as 6K
the best prize we get from our services is the killer smiles!!
but i guess it depends i supose???.....an Ad may be a good start? but even those can run as high as 2,700 to 5K "Some" manufactures may not have it in there advertising Buget to do this....some can but most wont...
but for the most part do understand were your coming from....but as a manufacture myself...i see the other side of the fence as well....
but just my Opinon....but understand your point.....


A free body will not even get me to enter. A free vinyl cutter will get me to try and win! I paint for money, not smiles.

RGX BLADE: Home of the LOWEST Priced Paint prices in the "WORLD"


Nice slogan!

[RGX BLADE]

yes, good point.....i would agree...not to just paint for Smiles...unless it was satisfiying....and one could afford to do so...
i would be a Lair as well to say we dont painting for money as well...
i would for sure not have painted the Mercedes last week for free??
but in the case of R/C cars we sometimes do...usually to begining drivers for some of there first cars etc.....stuff like that .....
on the other hand i do however feel it is wrather unfair that some painters charge up 50.00 for the "SIMPLEST" of 2 color paint jobs...???
not directing at anyone realy just seen some on the net...kinda sad realy...??
now the only ones we will however paint for free are the few top fuel dragsters,and funny cars we do paint but that is different.... :) :) :)
everyone have fun and keep painting..... :) :)

[adrcracing]

i do however feel it is wrather unfair that some painters charge up 50.00 for the "SIMPLEST" of 2 color paint jobs...???

Unfair to the painter...Right? If people don't like the price it's not like they can't do it them self...Right?

[charlieB]

I do think $50 is low...conisdering your VALUE as a painter should be up there anyway. I said this before in other forums, but when u think about it for a Business...charging $30 for a flame job is not gonna pay for the rent of your shop..or HOME for that matter. ANYONE should be able to get 2 cans of spray paint to paint their own body. HECK...the WINDOW masks are provided as well as a bunch of STICKERS for headlights, etc. If they can't do that themselves..then they can afford to pay $50 for a 2 color job. Fine...these are 1/10th scale bodies...FINE. but our TIME and TALENT is NOT 1/1oth scale...Neither is our money. So why should we charge LESS because for the PAST 20-30 years in RC, thats what painters charged? IT HAS NOT CHANGED!!!! By now...the STANDARD should be $75-$100 IMO....but then again...it is ONLY my humble opinion.

[RGX BLADE]

WOW.....???
so everyone here Agrees it is "Ok to Charge a Minumum of 100.00
for simple paint scheme's...???"
well we can't speak for Charlie?...but our company grossed more than enough for the so called "15.00" paint stuff...???
so much we even lowered most of our prices of what we do and "RAISED" the Quality ...why ???
because of "Volume"...but that's us...i surley can not speak for anyone on these matters but when i see a kid and his dad "Struggling"......
well and now i know most of you will say...
"Well then they should not be racing".......
well that would be most unfair...
so we try to help...??? by helping with a "SENSIBLE" and "REASONABLY" priced painting...some people do need some help....???
now on the other hand when someone rolls in our shops with 90,000 dollar choppers..or a 120,000 Mercedes and Occasional Honda NSX..or the show car needed for a trade show...well it is Obvious they have some money and wont gripe about a few dollars,but were not going to "Gouge" them either?....
but a Dad who may want to help or keep there kids on a good track and have some fun,or maybe there paying for there "Schooling" may not be able to "Afford" everyones 100.00 paint jobs...??? 10.00 or 20.00 may mean Gas,maybe a bite on the way home etc....??? but i look at things from a much different angle...???....and just because i have a "Given Talent" doesnt mean i have to "Gouge" someone of there money....???
"Everyone's gotta pay someone something"...be it your rent....your food your gas to drive your house taxes...(Unless your renting)...and your R/C equipment...let's not forget those credit cards!! then a 100.00 paint job looks a whole lot more than a 100.00...
already how many complain of high pricing in the hobby shops...???
true,if your only doing a few paint jobs for 40.00 or 75.00 or a few for 100.00 a week...that's may be a different story....????? then No it can not pay for the cost of "Living" now days....but then true may painters are "Part Time"
where they have a job......and do R/C painting on the side...this can be Understandable...but still no excuse to Slam someone for 50.00 for a very simple paint scheme?? consumers are getting smarter...everyone shops...
money is tight...no matter how you look at it...and if some one "See's" a 15.00 paint scheme that some one else charges up to 60.00
who do you think they will buy from...??? and tell there friends....and those racers tell 4 others......etc......
now i am not mad or blaming anyone...??? just venting....????
:) :) :)

[RGX BLADE]

we do this for 15.00....
but if it is worth 50.00 to most???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/1blade1/LPRP3.jpg

[RGX BLADE]

then this must be a 400.00 paint job...???????????
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/1blade1/Luna499.jpg

[RGX BLADE]

and thins must be a 1,000.00 paint job????????????
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/1blade1/Luna602.jpg

not that we charge that much....that would be Insane...???

[adrcracing]

RGX BLADE, you can sell your self short if you want. I don't care. The rest of us will get the right money for the job. I won't look at my airbrush for $15.00. My bodies routinely go for over $100.00 on ebay, so why should I sell them for $50.00? Just like there is a market for $15.00 bodies, there is a market for $165.00 bodies.

[The King]

If the buyer wants a simple paintjob they can find that but they get what they pay for, if they want artwork on their bodys then the price is going to be much higher from a talented artist. I am a strong believer in supply and demand, if a buyer demands a body painted by the pros then a $100.00 + price is what they are going to pay. Not eveybody can do what the pro can do and that is why they demand the top dollar. Just my thought on this one.

[Team Player]

Adrcracing,Tell me something is that your art work MONSTER ENERGY truck. If so I would not put that body on my truck. And take it out side. I'd take it and put it in a glass case and put it on my Mantle so every one to see it ......Very nice Job !

[VENOMOUS]

@Blacktiger

Very nice job, I like that color combo, nice and bright. As soon as you get it on the car shoot some pics and post them!

[Blacktiger]

Here ya go, all mounted up. I will say that it does rub in a few spots on my mugen. Mainly where the servo horns are for the throttle and steering. So I am not to sure if I will be running it.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e377/Blacktiger355/VenomMounted1.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e377/Blacktiger355/VenomMounted2.jpg

[designt1]

Now that's nice!!!

[charlieB]

Blade Luna-
You can say you can help out "people on the budget"..thats fine. And im sure you have made a lot of racers happy with your 15 dollar paintjobs. EVERYONE is on a budget...a BUDGET they choose to pay for. And if they can get some work for cheaper..sure they will get it. Im sure this isn't your livelyhood..and u don't really need the money. And you have marketed your stuff as such FOR that market. That's great. Like Adracing said...there is a market fo you. I am assuming your $15 body took only what 30 minutes to make? Taking longer just would not be fair to me as a painter..i figure if TOTAL time is 30 minutes, $15 is not bad, although i value my time more than that. If i have to take longer, then ill charge more per hour. If we do something for money, we are professionals . Professional house painters charge between $30 and $60 an hour. Graphic Artists are about $50 to $75. Effects Artists(what i am) charge $75 and up for my airbrush work on prosthetics and creatures. You think house painters are half as talented as some of the painters here who literally only get $5 an hour for their work? and all they do is mask the walls and paint ur house 1 color? One can say they are "helping" out the needy...but the reality is...most people who can afford this hobby have the $$$$$ to spend. Times are hard...so why does the PAINTER have to suffer? Why do we have to not eat so another can play with a pretty looking rc body? Makes perfect sense to me. We are not the DOORMATS for RC. We are teh FOREFRONT. With out our paintjobs...customers wont get the WOW factor RC has had over the years. Our paintjobs are the 1st things people notice when they see an rc car. Lets face it...when they see a car, they dont say "i want that RC10"..they have no clue what the car is nor do most care...they say "I want the red one with the flames". As you can see, we are THAT important to this industry, yet we sell ourselves short? I DONT THINK SO.

I understand ur post and respected it, until you PATRONIZED me with your "$1000 paintjobs"...So unneccessary, but because you felt it neccessary to go the extra mile and show off your stuff and sarcastically post obviously ridicluous prices just for the fact you felt it neccessary, u lost my respect. You are entitled to say what you want. But discussing ANY point with you inteligently has now deemed POINTLESS.

Blade...this is Charlie your talking to..not just some NOOB Painter on the forum. Not someone new to this industry. Not no "I decided one day to paint bodies" person, i have been in this industry as long as you. There is nothing you can tell me that will convince me painting a $15 body is JUSTIFIED for my talent. You might have taught me a thing or two racng wise at M n M, but i don't think you can convince me otherwise about how we should charge as painters. Im fighting for the cause to promote ALL of us painters, and get what we deserve. For some of us, this is part of their livelelyhood, not a casual extra buck or two. Us painters need to respect ourself and charge our worth...and not falter to the we are less than human attitude therefore our work is less valuable. But again, i said it here, this is pointless for me. Goodluck with your painting business Blade.

[The King]

well said CB

[VENOMOUS]

Wow, I was just asking about a contest.....

Everyone in any industry should make their "rate" and market themselves to get it. That goes across the board. Most just settle for what they get and thats fine for them. In painting you will find it to be exactly the same and the customer will pay according to the painters selfworth and his markets demand. There will always be the other guy who under sells himself. It may be to gain market share or just to turn over more volume or maybe he just has a low price because he feels its fair. What will wreck things for the other guys regardless of talent is if the less expensive guy is very talented and he's cheap. There is nothing wrong with that either, just that the rest of the painters in our small community will have a tough time getting buisness unless they adopt the same prices to compete. Thats is of coarse if your talking on a national level. In local markets painters will just have to deal with each other and hopefully realize they can work in the same area and maybe even together to promote the service and take advantage of the different styles each one brings to the table.

Hey Charlie it was good talking with you the other night, glad to see your still at it and doing well. I'll be in touch.

Anyway, dont be surprised if I announce a painting contest sponsored by Venom Racing. If the prizes dont interest you or if your insulted by them well then thats just the way it is, we wont cater to ego's. Just have fun its a hobby isnt it?

Chris N.

[VENOMOUS]

@ Blacktiger

I can see from the photo you need to cut out the steering link areas more. There is a line to follow, maybe you didnt see it or whatever but try it. As for the Th linkage the Mugen chassis is the only one thats very close to the body compared to the Kyosho and Xray. If you have lots of extra linkage thats never used you can clip it off too.
You should run it!

[Stalker911]

VENOMOUS: I guess you never got my message?

RGX: If someone can't afford a $50+ paintjob... why can't they just go spend $10 on 2 cans of spray paint and do a simple Orange to White Fade body? No one says they can't race? Then they still have $5 left over to go get some McD's on the way home and enough paint to do that body another 3 or 4 times probably??

Having a highly detailed body that everyone stops and stares at is a luxury... like having a BMX 7 series or a Mercadies AMG... maybe they should start selling them for $10,000 since I would like to have one... oh no wait if I only have $10,000 to spend on a car then I buy a Chevy Cobalt or some Kia... not a Mercadies SL500 AMG....

Just my thoughts...

[Blacktiger]

I know about the linkage area for the steering, that is not where my problem is. The actual horn on the servo is rubbing the top of the body. And on the throttle I already have them cut short. There is very little room for the servo to throw. I am sure it will hit when I go to use it.

[RespirologyRC]

Back to the original question about prizes: I think 2 Hi-Line airbrushes would be great with a full set of Spaz Stix colors. Or a years worth of Spaz Stix colors.

So when is this contest starting? What are the rules? And the prizes?