27t brushless...??

[GT Freak]

are they out?? since most r in the 10t range, thought it would be nice to do this...has anyone tried it :confused:
saw a vid with a emaxx with brushless...he couldnt use all of the power in it... :eek: thats nuts!!

[kurrz]

Isn't the ss4300 from novak comparable to a 27T?

[SS Pede]

Yeah it's about like a 27T. RCCA did a comparison a while back...I think the Novak was more powerful but top speed was similar. Don't quote me on that though. :)

[Grizzbob]

Yes, rpm is similar in the SS4300, but power & torque aren't even close. We've had people try to run them here in a few classes & it became obvious that they are noticably faster than ROAR-legal stock motors. In truth, the torque they put out is a lot closer to a 19 turn motor, & when owners of them tried it in that class, the lap times were also very close to a 19 turn. In order to make a brushless TRULY equal to a stock motor, they have to find a way to limit the current going to it as well as limiting rpm's(that would reduce torque & overall power), & that would just make it that much more complex. honestly, while I think brushless motors do have a place in racing(with each other, or against similarly powerful motors), stock is one class they should NOT be used in, they simply defeat the purpose of stock, to have something less powerful that can give a less experienced racer a chance to learn how to tune their car & learn to drive a clean line, so their transition to stronger motors will be a managable one.... :cool:

[GT Freak]

so, if i WAS to get a brushless,but want to stay close to stock, the SS4300 is the closest to stock as im geting :confused:

couple ??'s

how much??
where??
setup..??

[ElectricThunder]

so, if i WAS to get a brushless,but want to stay close to stock, the SS4300 is the closest to stock as im geting :confused:

couple ??'s

how much??
where??
setup..??
They're about 165 bucks off of www.towerhobbies.com. I used to use a Novak SS5800 in my Rusty and it scooted along just fine, so in a stadium truck designed for racing like the T4 or similar, or a buggy like the B4 or similar, the 4300 would probably move them quite nicely. The setup (like gearing) is your choice though in respect to what vehicle you run and what your goals are.

The 4300 is as close to stock as you will get power wise with a brushless ROAR legal setup probably.

[scoob]

You may be able to get a low KV sensorless motor to perform like a stock. I'm not really sure. It wouldn't be legal for racing though. A 380c 13t on 6-cells may be a good option, it may be too slow or fast, not sure but I think it'd be close. That is if you could talk the stock guys at your track into letting you run it. Just an idea.

[nicholcgn]

Yes they are close to stock. And a decently tuned stock motor eats my 4300 up. I actualy think once brushless becomes mainstream it will be better for stock than others. To think that a new racer can have a motor that stays contstant while learning to drive. No hung brushes. Lots of practice hours. No major maintenance headaches to keep ti running in close to top form. With my SS I was putting down 8-10 packs a week. The cost in arms and brushes over the year would have been to much for me to maintain that run rate.

I wish they would look at bearings in stock. To keep a true stock motor up and run with the top 3 at my track is work. It takes brushess, comm lathes, polishing, and lots of time that take away from driving and going over the rest of the car.

Check with your track. Odds are they will let you run it until your drive good enough to win. Then they will moan. Hell I have some people who hate me running one in mod. If they could only understand that I don't drive well enough for the motor to make a big difference yet. :)

[scoob]

I think a rule change for stock might help. Maybe knock the timing way down from 24 degrees. Throw in a few things like bearings for efficiency and they'd probably still have decent power with less heat and wear.

[Rtsbasic]

A Feigao 380 8t on 4 cells is similar to stock performance (although the gearing is a bit different). I was allowed to run in the stock class with this setup.

[thundershot]

Im thinking of going brushless myself. Maybe this one http://www.shopatron.com/product/product_id=NOV3004/135.0.151.0.0.0.0
It has reverse right?
For a few more dollars I could get this http://www.shopatron.com/product/product_id=NOV3002/135.0.151.0.0.0.0
But I dont think it has reverse.

[LasagnaCat]

What are you planning on putting it in? Bashing or racing? Both have reverse. :)

[TBone77]

It's already been said, but it's just not feasible to run a brushless motor in a brushed stock class; at least not yet. Even with the RPM limiter on the LRP it's pretty unfair. The limiter only limits it to 24k RPM, which even the best stock motor can't pull

On top of that, the brushless motors have so much more punch. I'd totally be up for a brushless stock class, though... limit everyone to the SS4300 or the SS5800. That could be fun.

[nicholcgn]

How about 4300 with regualar Ni-Mh batteries and brushed with Lipos? Wonder if that could even it up some.

I do not think things have to be even. They are not in the curent stock motors. Some motors are dogs compared to others. Some get tuned some do not. Stock is not fair as it is and unless you have time and money for the right equipment you are a gonner if someone else does. I would like to see a brushless stock motor that is not rebuildable or can even be opened. Even a standard that limits the RPM of the motor at the ESC could work. If stock is about driving skill then we need a tech that the manufacturers can put the field even on the motor department. Then we could work on the battery department. Lipo is too new but I wonder if all of the batteries will be relatively even? I see a possible future of stock where it is the driver but right now it is extremely far from that.

Hell our mod class is more even then the stock. With our brushless we have so much power that crappy batteries are even competative. All of the current motors are 2 much for us to run with. The Novak 5800 is close to a perfect match for a t4 at our track.

[GT Freak]

id like to go brushless in my truck...but not sure if the t3 tranny can hold it :confused:

[nicholcgn]

It should not have a problem overall. The t3 can handle mod motors so it will be fine. I would not put a 4.5 in it. I think the 6.5 is a great match. But it depends on what you will be doing. Bashing - bigger is usually better for most people. Racing depends on the track. A smaller track you could to a ss5800 motor with the GTB.