What should stock racing be?

[HauntedMyst]

I race the stock class at the local Touring Car track. We are unformal which I liked but I would actually like to see more formality to it. I am completely ignorant of ROAR stock racing rules other then stock motors and 190mm width. Here is what I would like to see it become at our track. Stock and Expert stock.

1. Rebuildable tock motors, with the only change being with bearings. lets face it, we can build stock motors with the same base price with bearings. I have no doubt motor manufacturers get these by the thousands cheaplya and there is no good reason not to add their benefits to stock. I would like to see the Expert Class move up to 19 turn stock motors.

2. Battery limits. Matched 2000's have come down to a reasonable price and are more then capable of completing stock races. Expert class can use what ever battery they want.

3. The biggest and certainly not a new suggestion but I think the most important is a control tire and insert. I personally have spent lots on tires I hoped would work but didnt pan out. I imagine each of you has as well. By implementing the control tire, you don't spend less, you spend the same on a tire everyone is running there by leveling the playing field.

Do you have any thoughts? Please share them!

[TC3Racer316]

I like those ideas. Especially the control tire and insert rule. But when a driver wins consistently in Stock, he should move up to Expert. I would anyways, because winning is no fun if you never lose. But then again, how would I know, I've never won the A-main yet. :p

[KilRuf]

I think you have some good idea's. But as far as the batteries I disagree. First off, I beleive 2000's aren't gonna be made anymore. Second, depending on how long the heats are whether you have 2000's, 2400's, or 3000's won't matter. What would matter would be the voltage that they are rated at. I say this because run time won't matter for a Stock race. In 4minute stock race with my 2000 matched packs I had 999mah left over (they peak with approx 2200-2300mah). So battery limits I disagree with.

Now control tires is something I'd like to see. Although this will favor a certain tire manufacturer. Mainly Proline being that they already have a control tire for touring cars. This would be good. I'd like to see a "preassemble" control tire that comes in sets of four. Plus I don't want them to be extra soft as for them to wear out in just one race.

Also, I'd like to see an 8 minute main in stock class with 3000 cells! That would be sweet! (i get tired of turn marshalling for gas cars with their 30 minute + mains hehe)

Motors, well Roar stock rebuildable motors I guess. Although I wished they had bearings in them. So that's something I'd agree on too.

Expertclass with 19turn motors? Hmmm, not to sure on that one. This is where you start to approach money spending. I was thinking that stock class would be for people who didn't want to spend alot of money. So kicking someone out of the class because they win isn't a good idea. Although a good cheap 19turn rebuildable motor might not be a bad idea. It takes away from my 8 minute mains! Hehe. Hmmm perhaps a renaming of the mains might help out. Uhh PRO A-main winner. And uhh EXPERT B-main winner. And uhh NOVICE C-main winner. So this way, everyone races the same class (stock). But as you gain experience, you move "up" in the field. There-fore you can win in your "class" Pro/expert/novice. How about that??

Mike

[kitracer]

I think control tire for any form of racing is important. I race 8mins on 23 turn stock motor. The time I saved on best lab is less than 0.2sec using the Matched Panasonic instead of normal sanyo 3000. But if I used a brand new set of rubber tire on each heat or in final, my labtime is down by 0.6 sec per lab ( in a 18 sec lab)
Use the yok 139G then you know what I meant.

[HauntedMyst]

When I was at the Chicago Hobby Show, I saw the new Treads tires. Their sedan tires are $40 assembled with inserts, so figure discounted they would be $32 to 35 for a set of 4. I was thinking we would use those or the Losi yellow treaded (I don't know the part number) with the funky arrow tread. They are the tire of choice at our track and come with excellent insert although they are those glue together strips.

Since I've started running the Losi's, what I've found is I still buy as many tires, it's just that their not wasted. I know what you mean about the yoks. I bought a pair of Pit slicks and they were so worn after one 5 min race, I don't think I would use them beyond one more race.

I like your guys ideas about stock/expert. We usually have 2 classes of electrics at our track. It is such a tight track, the stocks and the mods run together with our 3 best guys winning and running stock.

[ 09-17-2001: Message edited by: HauntedMyst ]

[KilRuf]

Hmmm are you using the Soft/Med/or Hard compound Yoks? I have a set of old Yok tires that are still running strong. Soft with Firm inserts. Spray the tires down with Electric Motor Cleaner after each heat/race. This might help some. I always thought those Losi tires wore down after 3 races. At least the ones I had did. I'll have to look into those Treadz tire/wheel combo. Sounds cool to me!

Mike

[InspGadgt]

well now that rebuildable stocks are predominant I would like to see a change in Roar and Norrca rules that allows bearings. As far as tire controll...I've found that at most tracks certain tires are predominant and other people have done a lot of testing allready so I just ask around and buy what's working so in a way there is almost a controll allready imposed by the surface. However I would not like to see a rules imposed controll. You have to give racers some freedom to try something new to get the edge and with touring cars about the only thing that makes a handling difference is tires. Also you would have to be very carefull to choose tires in your control that work well on your surface. I organize a scale F1 race where we do have tire controls to within a few options. But if we had restricted the race to say the A compound tires from Tamiya the race would have died because those tires are like driving on ice. No fun to race cars that don't handle.

[chizzler]

slicks are the only way to go, im sorry, i just cant handle treaded tires ;)

[24601]

I definitely agree with battery limits. That is the biggest cost factor with electric raing.

[ttweedle]

Maybe they can have some control batts and control tires. The batts could be bought at beginning of season, and be good for entire season. Sort of like control motors. I mean for me the batts are way too expensive. But I am still saving my pennies for some 2400's and 3000's. I guess if you want to play with the big dogs you got to pay the piper. :)