Aeromarine Outer Limits(xxx)

[rico3]

ive just been on the phone to AEROMARINE sister comany JOTIKA in the uk... asking about there new OUTER LIMMITS V HULL...the guy says that the boat reaches speeds over 65 mph in the RTR version with either modded G260 or QD 25....can anyone confirm this PLEASE... :eek: :eek: :eek:

[mustangman05]

sounds a little fast for a 65 inch hull i am not sure because i can only get my lazer to do 64 on GPS with a modded 260

[w3bby]

Didn't have an enjoyable experience buying from Jotika, just my 2p. Not saying that others haven't had good service but I won't buy from them again. :(

[Mike T]

It was my understanding that it's 45 inches, not 65 inches long. Basically the same bottom as the AC Lazer with the same speed potential. I guess it depends how they set it up and what prop they use. 65 mph is not out of the question but may be a reach. Boats don't just have a set top speed, it depends on water, wind, and a lot of other things. Our race Lazers run in the high 50's to low 60's in race trim but what matters isn't how fast it goes, but who it is faster than.

[rico3]

yeah you right the hull is 45 to 46 inches long...w3bby check your pm box :D

[brushlesstunnel]

hey heres a little tip go to www.finedesignrc.com go to hot deals ... and they have two of these xxx hulls.. for 100 dollars

[w3bby]

Rico

YGM and PM :)

[RCUK John]

If John Wright tells you it is fast then believe him.
Both my Challenger 21 and 48 were supplied by Jotika and they lived up to his description of the boats.
You can always drive over and give him grief since you are UK based. Alternatively you can go to Tony Ellis at Model Marine Supplies (web site under development is modelmarinesupplies.co.uk) and get his opinion. He races in OMRA events (read Model Boats) and is honest in his opinions PLUS being very fast in his parts service.
I must admit that Tony is a little slow with emails so use the phone.

[zigzagracer]

Fast yes, but not the speeds quoted above.There are no gas monos running over 65.
Mid 50s is more like it, sounds like advertising hype to me.

[Mike T]

There are a few but it's not the rule. The official IMPBA SAW record for a Zenoah 260 in a mono is 75 mph set by Matthew Waldron. Dom Mauro set an official record of 73 mph with an XLS-36 gas mono. Both were AC monos. In general, guys heat racing have trouble breaking 60 on a regular basis. That's why I would say possibly yes but probably no. On the other hand, there isn't any difference between 60 and 65 when fun running.

[zigzagracer]

over 65 mph in the RTR version


RTR version is what I'm talking about not one off straight away boats
The record for a heat racing mono is 46.02 and SAW is 67.17 ,if this boat went over 65 it would be a record holder right out of the box?

[rico3]

ok guys you might wanna read this over jims rc boat dock...http://p086.ezboard.com/fjimsrcboatdockfrm2.showMessage?topicID=4774.topic nice pictures and the boat is doing low 60s but i dont no if it was a RTR .... ;) ;)

[zigzagracer]

Check your link , all I see is an error message....

[Mike T]

Yeah, that one's nice. It says it has a Quickdraw motor. John Finch has one set up with a Butch-the-Boatman 260 and painted in the Smokin' Joe's yellow and purple scheme. We hope to drop it in the water for testing this weekend.

[zigzagracer]

I searched it out manually, got a bunch of nonsense when I went to post a message there ...... :mad:
So I'll say it here. Dean Werges paints all the boats for ads for AM. Of course its going to go fast, lets see it do the claimed 65+ in the hands of the average guy.A blueprinted hull with a special motor and a special prop is not what the average guy gets.
Sorry guys , had my fill of advertising.

[mustangman05]

you get nonsense when you post a messagw where?

[Mike T]

I agree with you Zig-man. We had a guy in the club buy some RTR boats from AM and they were ok but he had to do a lot of reconfiguring to get them up to race speeds and handling. AM plainly has to cut a few corners to get them out the door at that price. I can see why they don't use an $85 prop, but it would be nice if they upgraded to a $1 rudder pushrod. :-)

The 46 mph record for oval racing is a two lap average speed computed using the length of the course (1/6 mile x 2 laps) and the seconds it took to do the two laps. The boat is actually a lot faster than 46 mph on the straights. The speed computes lower because it travels farther than 1/3 mile - because it's several feet off the bouys. Use radar or a gps and you find top speeds on the oval closer to 60 with a hot gas boat.

[rico3]

this is what i was quoted for the outer limits (xxx) setup...all aeromarine usual parts, modded engine is QD25 (HANSON) tuned pipe (HANSON) and 2 channel fm radio gear....so surely with that kind of setup i shouldnt have to do much work to get the boat in the 60,s mph...if anything just mod the prop and ive got plenty props already modded.... :D :D

[zigzagracer]

I'm sure we will get a lot of feedback on this boat and speeds guys get, because they will sell a lot of them just based on looks.

[Mike T]

And the one they send you won't have that nice paint job either. LOL

[rico3]

yeah AEROMARINE do nice paint jobs,and its an extra $400 so it better look like the real thing.....LOL :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Mike T]

We ran the XXX boat today. One beautiful paint job and graphics. The styling of the deck and hatch was real neat. It ran great from the git-go and handled wind and rough water well. He could run it flat out into a strong wind. It cornered like you hoped it would - like it was on a tether. It was fast but not 65 mph fast. On radar we had mid-fifties.

[rico3]

MIKE T...was that the AEROMARINE hull that you are using ?there 3 manufactures doing this hull now....what is the setup? did it have a QD25 engine or mod G260 and what tuned pipe was it? and did you use a modded prop.... ;) ;) ;)

[Mike T]

It came directly from Aeromarine. The bottom checked straight (no hook or rocker). The engine is a great running, broken in G-260 from Butch the Boatman. The prop was a 6717/3 from Bob Austin. The Boat was built by John Finch using Speedmaster components with a custom-made stinger drive and a Midwest 2" banded pipe set at the right length. Air temp 72 degrees F, water slightly choppy and winds variable 5-10 mph. It ran great and looked great. A strong heat racing boat. No complaints here. Just saying the Stalker radar gun and the GPS said 56 mph, not 65 mph. I think it would go a bit faster if you loosened it up by lifting the tabs and angling the drive up some, but John's objective is to have a heat race boat. We chucked my Lazer in with it and they ran about even.

[rico3]

hey mike T....why the speedmaster gear instead of AEROMARINE? :confused:(UNLESS ITS BETTER)..

[Mike T]

That boat belongs to John Finch and that was his choice. He used the Speedmaster rudder on their 6" long extension. They are CNC'd out of 7075 alloy that is really hard to bend or break. Made his own turn fins. Modified and used a pair of small Mach trim tabs. I made him one of my special stinger drives like I run on my monos. He did his own bearing arrangement in the stinger drive. He has his own ways of doing things.

I run a Speedmaster rudder assembly on the 5" extension and four 1-1/4" square tabs on my Lazer with my own fins and my own drive. My boat and Johns really turned out a lot alike.

Which is better? I have Aeromarine hardware on a Sprint Cat. And Speedmaster on an Insane Cat. Aeromarine hardware is a good value and works well for about half the price as Speedmaster. But there is no comparison between Aero and Speedmaster in strength and durability. And when you run fast in the turns in rough water, you rely on the rigidity of a strong rudder, drive, and fins to make the boat stable. Speedmaster is worth the extra money.

[rico3]

hey mike T ..these G260 from (BUTCH THE BOATMAN)whats the bhp and rpm on these engines... ;) ;)

[Mike T]

Butch and his dyno man tell me his full mods put out around 6 hp. I can't quote you an exact RPM number but I think it's around 17,500. I'm not so much into the numbers but what I see on the water, and he's been doing really well at the big races and at the Nats. Butch does some of the best motors around.

[Mike T]

Here are some pictures of John's XXX Mono: http://gallery.intlwaters.com/thumbnails.php?album=349

[rico3]

cool looking boat there MIKE... :cool: :cool: