Geez, youy guys are boring !

[jeepinator]

Heheh, just thought I'd stir the pot a little.
Has it been quiet in here, or is it me ?

I guess I will have to go wax my Jeep
now ...

http://www.theshreves.com/pics/jeep.jpg

[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: jeepinator ]

[Gokou]

A *real* jeep doesn't need to be waxed. :D

J/K... My buddy has a 1944 MJ and you can't even tell there's paint under all the dirt and mud.

[Mark98SS]

Jeep, that thing looks a little too nice to be doin' any "woods bashing." I'll always remember getting my '71 4wd Chevy P/U (was pretty cherry) stuck against a tree on the side of a hill with a full load of firewood in it. Nothing I could do except rake that poor thing off the tree & send it to the body shop for a left side. :(

[mavrick0611]

lol at Gokou

[paxil]

jeep just emty every pocket. jeeps are populaer in the off roading world aren't thay?

[chucksolo]

You got that right Mark988SS. That is the epitome of the "gentlemen" jeep. Kinda reminds me of the Mercedes and BMW "off-road" SUVs. Nobody in their right mind would 4 wheel those!!!

[chucksolo]

You got that right Mark988SS. That is the epitome of the "gentlemen" jeep. Kinda reminds me of the Mercedes and BMW "off-road" SUVs. Nobody in their right mind would 4 wheel those!!!

[nitroracer911]

chuck... you can say that again :D

[RC10GTMark]

I took a lexus rx300 offroad a couple of times, does that count. It was s customers and I got the hook up at a detail shop =)

[Matt Russell]

i'll tell you what i'd love to take off-roading: one of those new Subaru WRX's. Man are they hot.

[Gokou]

I only jest with jeepinator... check out the pics on his webpage. He *does* take it offroading, unlike 99.99% of other Cherokee owners...

[jeepinator]

Ya, NOBODY takes their Grand Cherokee's off road :rolleyes:

Wonder what this is then:

http://colo.theshreves.com/pics/View2.jpg

Or this:

http://colo.theshreves.com/pics/View3.jpg

Hmmm... it must be my imagination ;)

Yes, I take my Jeep off raod. It will wheel better than 95% of the vehicles out there. The only vehicles equally suited, box stock, are the other Jeep models, and maybe a few Land Rover products. It is also faster than 90% of the cars/trucks out there. I can do 1/4 mile in under 15 and 0-60 in 7.2.
Yes, there are faster production vehicles and even 2 SUV's (Mercedes and BMW), but my WJ can go where none of them can go and cost much, much less. And the thing is ultra plush to boot.
If anyone has any question IF and HOW my Jeep can go off road, feel free to email me. I can send you URL's to things that will amaze you. While I agree that almost noone takes these things off road, they are designed to do just that. And they do it quite well, even in stock or nearly stock form. Check my web page for some older (before many of my mods) pictures of me doing some mild off roading. I just haven't posted any of my newer pictures.
I hate stereotyping. I am not your average SUV owner, if you can even call my Jeep an SUV ;)

BTW, thanks Gokou !
I understood your humor :D

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[servant]

:D LOL :D at chuck and nitro!

[mavrick0611]

*cough* HUMMER *cough*

[jeepinator]

The HMMV is 70K, rides WORSE than a tank, handles WORSE than a tank, has no luxury anything, and can't wheel for crap.
It has IFS and IRS, has a soooper long wheelbase, and is louder than anything I would own. Did I mention that they are HUGE ?
I could take my "gentleman Jeep" into places that it could not follow. The long wheelbase simply kills it's ability to go on the tight, windy trails I frequent. And the independent front and rear suspension means that it always has a wheel in the air. If it weren't for the lockers, that thing would go nowhere.
Why then does the millitary have them ?
Because they are built like tanks, protect humans very well, and can go HIGH SPEED over very rough terain. They are an extrememly flexible platform, able to play many roles. They can be gunships, recon, medical, missle launchers, electronic platforms, etc.
Those of us who go wheeling rarely exceed 15 miles an hour, and usually less than 5. We are just crawling around on stuff.
I have seen Hummers get stuck on some pretty simple stuff. They truly are awesome vehicles, but rock crawlers they are not.

EDIT: Oh, and BTW, they go 0-60 in like 5 YEARS. Slowest "SUV" currently made, by far.

[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: jeepinator ]

[Jo_bomb17]

Anyone seen the Hummer 2, they are like a super powered jeep!They are much smaller and faster than the regular hummers!

[atm92484]

Mark, how was the Lexus? I might just have to take my moms out one day.....

[HumbleEagle487]

also if a hummer gets higher than like 60 it'll roll on the corners of the road.

[SirSpeedy]

So are those pics of your adventures?

[mavrick0611]

i did not know that about hummers. We got a tahoe, but according to the owner. the 4 wheel drive will never be locked in. The Hummer H2 soun ds good, but looks like a van....

you got any adventure pics other than those jeep?
aj

[jeepinator]

SirSpeedy, mavrick,
Yes those are my adventures. Yes, I have more, but I am pretty lazy and haven't posted any for a while :(
Here are a few more older ones though:
This is way steeper than it looks, and yes both Jeeps in this pic are Grand Cherokees.
http://colo.theshreves.com/pics/jeeping1.jpg

And this is when my Jeep was 2 weeks old and bone stock. We were just out messing around in a gravel pit in the snow ;)
http://colo.theshreves.com/pics/jeeping3.jpg

It is kinda weird posting wheeling pics in the RC forum :)
I usually do it HERE (http://www.jeepsunlimited.com)

[ 06-09-2001: Message edited by: jeepinator ]

[paxil]

ok first off the hummer was not meant to be a luxury truck and a long
wheelbase can be good here in utah there are like 60 off road courses
were short wheelbase would go end over end. 2nd yes hummers can't go
were jeeps can go but you know what they are very good off road
because the IFS gives you more ground clranse but less articulation the
hummer has bigger tires and front and rear lockers (well maybe not
front)and you can get it with a winch look at the good sides as well as the
down sides the you well be a master wheeler p.s don't tell me i don't know what i am talking about because in 4wheeling it's 40% the truck and 60% the driver and the spotter

[Snoozy]

Tahoe Z71
13" superlift
44" boggers

MUD! MUD! MUD! MUD!
We sank it down to the windows, and 2 Ford F150s and a Tow truck and winch couldn't get it out. Got it pulled out by an 18 wheeler tow truck, soooo glad it isn't my car. But I had fun running a 2500 suburban or red dirt trails in North Louisiana. We go around 30, and let the behemoth fish tale around, trying to be like a rally car :D I am saving up, I just might buy a WRX, those are some sweet cars.

[jeepinator]

paxil, you and I are on the exact same page ;)
I agree with almost everything you said, except the "master wheeler" part :p I am not even close to a master wheeler. I just go out and have fun. Unlike the RAV4 and other "cute ute's", the Jeep brand of vehicles can actually get you there. Dang near anywhere. I have QuadraDrive on mine. Serves the same function as lockers, but you don't have to do anything. Some call QuadraDrive the lazy man's lockers :)
And, I DID mention positive things about the Hummer !

This is kinda a fun thread. My other hobby is my Jeep (obviously) :)

[ammoace]

Jeep,
Is that a Texas plate on the front of your jeep? Where abouts are you from in Oregon? My grandparents live in Cose Bay, forgive spelling of Coose Bay.
Jerry

[Clayton]

paxil
Hummers have Torsen differentials all around. For those who don't know what Torsens are, they are Torque sensing instead of speed sensing like most other limited slip diffs.

They can be set up to give a different precentage of power to the wheel with grip
Example: You can shim them to put 60% of the load to the wheel with traction, this is why the hummer can drag its shell over anything and still managed to negotiate the terrain.

The Jeeps have a great system, If it is still in use, they invented it, it is called viscous coupling tranfer case, the same idea Losi uses on the hydradrive, this allows front and back to recieve power and yet not bind up. The old Quadra trac Cherokees had viscous coupling transfer case.

[jeepinator]

ammoace,
Those two rather hardcore looking pictures are not of me ! I have done stuff kinda similar. Probably closer to the bottom pic of the two. Yes, that is a Texas plate. He is from there. He has one of the badest WJ's on Earth. Not the biggest, but VERY well outfitted.
I was just posting those to prove that people DO take brand new Grand Cherokees off road, and no sissy stuff either ;)

So your grandparent's live on the coast, eh ?
I have been to Coos Bay many times. It is quite a drive though. I live in Portland, the microbrew capitol of the world (no kidding).

[Jo_bomb17]

how about my small ride???

http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/atv/atvred.jpg
Now that was fun!!!!!
Here is another http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/atv/atvstuck.jpg
My poor baby got stuck so i had to pull it out with the winch on my truck But wait, this is not me on this ATV it is my friend on my ATV!
http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/atv/atvhill.jpg
that hill was about a 60 to 70% grade so i had to hit the hill at full speed and i still had 100 pounds of weight hanging from the front!
Sorry about the bad quality of that pic! :(
More off roadin pics of my real truck and my ATV's to come!!!

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[ 06-10-2001: Message edited by: Rustler Hustler ]

[Jo_bomb17]

Im just trying to find some good pics of my truck!!! :D Then ill post them

[RC10GTMark]

I can walk over almost any terrian, beat that. My adidas has full time two foot drive and I can tranfer the power to which ever foot I feel necessary. :D

[BadRacer]

LOL Mark, now thats what im talking about!

My dad just gave me a 99 Ford Explorer XLT 4x4 (let him have my Stang) awhile back and it does really good off-road. Iv been working my hardest for the money to send it to Sam's Off-road (local 4x4 shop) for a few mods to handle off-roading better. It surprised me when i first took it out for a little fun....i was thinking it couldn't handle the stuff i was wanting it to do.....well it did. :D

What bugs the heck out of me is you see all these SUV's and the owner has never takin it off-road!

[jeepinator]

NervousXtian said:
well my TJ can go more places than yer sissy ZJ :)

Heheh, probably so, but my Jeep is a WJ, not ZJ :p

[Jo_bomb17]

Here is the big surprise of what my truck is!This truck is the reason i only have a Rustler with only 2 mods!This was a Jeep until i changed it alot and it ended up costing______Well maybe i shouldnt say unless someone has a good reason for me to tell! :D Here she is doing some Super Hard core OFF ROADING http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/truckcat3.jpg

Here is more HARD CORE



http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/truckcat4.jpg

Here is the outcome of that day of hard core off roading http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/truckCat.jpg

[Jo_bomb17]

Wait her are some sweet pics of my OFF RODIN FRIENDS TRUCK!
This was sweet to watch
http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/trucktroy3.jpg
This had to have been fun
http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/trucktroy6.jpg

The only thing is it usally ends up like this for both of us http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/trucktroy5.jpg

This is the only other hobby that is bigger to both of us than RC! :D

[bryceanator]

i want a hummer even though they gussel disel like a semi they are meant for the desert i wonder why they came out for the millitary about the same time as desert storm they were meant to outrun tanks they hardly do that but there fun to drive over curbs with :D :D

[Rc1oGtMaN]

You can do a lot more w/a hummer than drive over curbs! They outrun tanks easy. It would have trouble outrunning a Bradley Fighting Machine, but not a tank. Tanks go like 35, and a Bradley goes 65. Hummers max at 85. Hummers are too loud for me. The engine sitting right in the middle of the interior of the truck...not cool. I'll stick w/ my Beamer.

AWESOME ride Rustler Hustler! :eek: :eek:

[mavrick0611]

rustler hustler,,,, once they flip, how do you get them back on their wheels?

aj

[bryceanator]

i am just explaining how overrated hummers are and the new tanks with the dodge engine go 100 miles per hour but they still easyily outmavover a tank

[Jo_bomb17]

Well to get them out of there flip position we either use the truck that is not flipped at the time to pull it upright with its winch, or if we didnt bring the winch, we use a tow cable and hook it up to the side of the truck and floor the pedal of the truck that isnt flipped and that almost always pulls it upright!In the worst case senario when we are both flipped, we always have a extra truck on hand, {My Chevy Suburban it always has enugh power to pull them upright!**

[Jo_bomb17]

Hey Jeep do u consider me boring any more with my super truck and my super off road driving skills?Just kidding! :D

[mavrick0611]

ruslter hustler or jeep, we have a chevy tahoe ZR2 model 99 model. How well would it do off roading? Not like major like whats in your pics but mild off-roading?

aj

[ 06-11-2001: Message edited by: mavrick0611 ]

[Interceptor]

Anyone remember the Lamborgini truck from the 80s?

[Pat]

Well considering im 14 i can really go offroading. But we do have 2 jeeps (CJ). One is a CJ-5 said to be the best offroading jeep because off the short wheel base it was great for crawling. It has seen better days my da has taken it some harry places. Buy we also have a 1948 CJ-3b or 3a but im not sure it is sweeet or it will be it in our garage in billion pieces. Talkabout BASIC no wires compared to today. My dad ran over a tree with it and it was no sappling it was about 4-6 in in diameter. ITS sweet but you doi have to admit noone uses the suv or the YJ to offroad.

[jeepinator]

Rustler Hustler !
Nice pics, Sweet ride !
That thing is BUILT. Dang, mod central ;)
Hehe, nope, your are certainly not boring. That must be a tow rig ? Or do you actually drive it to the wheeling spots ?
Do you hang out on POR or JU forums ?
POR is a little too hardcore for me, but there is good stuff if you can weed through all the flaming and cussing :p
JU is more my speed. If you want the URL's to these cool BBS's send me an email (it's in my profile).
Hey, would you back me up and tell these yahoos that Hummers are horrible for doing the kinda wheeling we do (errr YOU do !) ? :D

Peace !

[NervousXtian]

well my TJ can go more places than yer sissy ZJ :)

[HumbleEagle487]

this has nothing to do with off-roading, just to tell you I'm not boring. I took my tamiya mini cooper to my lhs and gave it its first taste of a clay oval. I rolled/flipped it like four times too. And I kept up with this guys T3 with a stock motor in it and I have the stock tamiya 540 in my mini. Its really funny to see a mini cooper chasing a T3 down a strait away.

[Jo_bomb17]

Yeah u are right Jeep, if i got the most experianced off road driver in the world to try to take a hummer were i take my jeep, he would either flip, or most likley get hung up on rocks within the first 30 seconds! :D Sorry to bust the bubble of all those who thought Hummers were the best off road vehicles in the world, cause they are definatley not better than a good jeep for off roading! :p Hey lets have a small quiz, "What was the most expensive mod for my jeep?" we will see who gets it right! Hey Mavrick i think u could probly do some light off roading!I wouldnt start with hard core stuff, this is a very dangerous, and expensive sport!I stARTED WITH DRIVING IN A GRAVEL PIT, AND NOW LOOK WERE I AM!!!!!So dont start off hard core, u could ruin your truck, or even worse get seriosly injured! :(

Oh wait, Who wants more Pics????

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[mavrick0611]

ME ME ME I WANT MORE PICS!!!! :p :p :p , the tahoe isnt mine its my mothers, just interested in what it can do....

aj

[Jo_bomb17]

well here are more pics

http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/truckcat9.jpg


http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/truckcat2.jpg

http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/truckcat8.jpg

http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/trucktroy.jpg

http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/trucktroy7.jpg

http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/images/truck/truckkenny.jpg

this was a mess
http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/atvmud.jpg
http://www.badlandsoffroad.com/atv/atvson.jpg


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[ 06-11-2001: Message edited by: Rustler Hustler ]

[ammoace]

Just wanted to say that a M1A1 Main Battle tank does 65mph but can't hang at that speed for too long. A Mil Hummer is not in the same league as a Civilian Hummer. Ever seen one and compared the two? The metal frame seats with a 1/4 inch thick foam pad in the Mil version compared to the yuppie seats in the Civilian version are an indicator on which has a focus on function over comfort. Kevlar body parts on the Mil version, sheet metal on the civilian version. The Civilian hummer is just not a "dedicated" off road vehicle were as the military one is. What I think makes the hummer so bad is the weight. But I do like the clean underbelly of the machine. No pumpkins to hang up on.
Until I saw Jeeps pics I truly thought those type of Jeeps were for the yuppies.
Jeep is obviously not a yuppie.
Jeep you give jeep owners a good name. I am suprised that you don't have a R/C body to match your full size though.
Jerry

[jeepinator]

ammoace,
wow, thanks for the kindest of words !
Unfortunately, most WJ owners (WJ is the model identification for the new body style Grand Cherokee ('99 and newer)) really are "yuppies". They are pretty expensive and therefore kinda naturally become status symbols. I would bet that 95% or more never see anything more off road than a gravel road. The real bummer is that these WJ's (and the ZJ's before them) have really good off road potential. They still retain the solid axles design, have V8's with pretty good low RPM torque, and other cool stuff. They also have the "up country" option that I got which includes skid plates, 1" longer springs, heavy duty shocks, and tow hooks. Not many SUV's have these kind of options, and fewer yet have solid axles. I think the Jeep WJ and XJ (regular Cherokee) and the Land Rovers are the only SUV's currently in production with solid front and rear axles. The Ford Exploder even has independant REAR suspension ! UGHH! NO off road capability !
Anyway, it is rather ironic that one of the most true to it's title (SUV) vehicles never gets used like it was designed. And worse yet, it is purchased by people who wouldn't DARE take them off road. Things that make you go hmmmm ...
Can anyone tell me who first coined the term "yuppie" ?
I will give you all a hint: Chicago.

[WhoKnowsWho]

I always thought those pictures I see in 4x4 off road were so set up for like the .01% of people who actually did that to their cars... guess I was wrong! Cool to watch, don't think I will be doing it though, especially with a little Civic! Hehe, my Stampede has more ground clearence it seems!

[jeepinator]

Nobody wants to give a guess on who first coined "yuppie" ?
Do you all need another hint ?

BTW, I really do know. I read the very article it was used in (OK, there was your second hint ;) )

[Jo_bomb17]

Well since it was an article, it had to be a magazine or a news paper!Was it in Rc car action magazine!Well i dont know were it came from! :mad: :mad: :mad: :confused: :confused:

[TJx2]

Some friends 'froadin' down at the Badlands in Attica IN (home to the grey Suzi in the previous pics)

This one got strapped.. going up a small rock face and the Jeep slid on him... pretty close to going over...
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1527587&a=13219175&p=50101415&Sequence=0

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1527587&a=13249628&p=50272636&Sequence=0

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1527587&a=13249628&p=50272639&Sequence=0

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1527587&a=13249628&p=50272640&Sequence=0

Oh yeah.... me....
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1527587&a=13248919&p=50268294&Sequence=0

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1527587&a=13249628&p=50272635&Sequence=0

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[ammoace]

I don't understand why solid axles would out perform an independant suspenion. I would think that the independant would allow the tires to stay in contact with the terra ferma better. Like in some of the previous pics when the solid axle is playing tricycle the independent would be able to keep all four on the ground because the left side doesn't care what the right side is doing. And to relate this thread to RC at least a little, why is it that 98% of the R/C vehicles equiped with an independent suspension when a solid axle, in theory, would work better? :confused:
Jerry

[Turboduck01]

that would be a funky design for a rc car... a solid axle... hmm? just imagine trying to race something like that, that's probably why rc-cars dont have a solid axle

[bryceanator]

indpendent supention loses all its power over huge bumps because tis not a solid axel think you take your rc put one wheel on the goung floor it the three spin the one on the ground doesnt a solid axel transmits power to both wheels there are alot of other advantages too but i am too lazy to list them

[TJx2]

http://www.widowmakeronline.homestead.com/liveaxle.html

This above is one explanation... let me see if i can also summarize another issue...

On a solid axle vehicle, the verticle pivot point of the axle is at the mounts for the control arms (which are typically near the shock mounts). So, say that one wheel is pushed upward... the axle will pivot vertically (up and down) at the control arm location closest to that wheel. That means that the entire length of the axle can be used to scribe a downward arc to the ground... the closer the mounts are to the end of the axle, the greater size arc in can scribe, which means it is capable of more wheel travel. This also puts more downward pressure on the opposing wheel, keeping it on the ground and out of the air.

On a production independant system, the verticle pivot point is closer to the center of the vehicle, which means that the wheel scribes a smaller arc... which means less wheel travel. Also, because each wheel is "independant", when one wheel is place on an obstacle, there is no opposing force pushing the other wheel to the ground. Wheels way up in the air may look cool, but that's detrimental to off-roading with an "open" differential. The tire in the air will receive all the power since it is the one with the least resistance... and now you're stuck!

Some RC cars did used to come as solid axle vehicles. The 2wd Tamiya Grashopper/Hornet was a solid rear axle for example.

The reason, I think, that most R/C cars are independant these days is that it is easier to fix (don't have to crack open the entire diff assembly just to do a flywheel change or replace axle bearings) and IFS gives a smoother ride. Which is important considering that a smooth ride is important in high speed racing. (look at the proto BAJA racing leagues... all IFS/IRS) In rock-crawling and slow speed off roading, that is not as important as being able to keep all four wheels on the ground.

[ 06-13-2001: Message edited by: TJx2 ]

[TJx2]

Here's a couple of pics to illustrate...

For those who don't know, This is what's known as an RTI ramp... which stands for Ramp Travel Index.

What happens is that the driver pilot one wheel up the ramp until one of the other wheels looses contact with the ground. The stop, and a measure ment is made from the bottom of the ramp to the tire sitting on it. That measurement, in addition to the degree slope of the ramp is used to calculate an "RTI score", which can then be compared to other vehicles to determine which vehicle has more articulation.

The first is the IFS Toyota Rav4 in stock form. The second is my Jeep TJ (wrangler) (solid axles) when it was still in stock form. Also, the ramp is at a slightly greater angle with the RAV4, but also notice that the front wheel does not "stuff" completely into the wheel well befor one of the other tires begins to lift.

http://www.letsgojeepin.com/pixJuly00LGJ/ravramp.jpg
http://www.letsgojeepin.com/pixSept/rti2.jpg

Now, in stock form, the difference is not tremendous... but in my pic, the front axle is being restricted by the front swaybar... once this is disconnected, you gain roughly another 10" up the ramp, which is significant. And yes, disconnected sway bars are extremely common when offorading, and perfectly safe (barring you know what you're doing).

The following is a stock TJ with the front swaybar disconnected. Yes, the IFS, will also have a swaybar, but from experience, disconnecting it has no effect to increasing articulation significantly.

http://www.letsgojeepin.com/pixSept2000/andrea%20ramp.jpg

[ 06-13-2001: Message edited by: TJx2 ]

[TJx2]

A few more...

A modified Cherokee...

http://www.letsgojeepin.com/pixFeb20/Ramp1.jpg

A stock Suburban...

http://www.letsgojeepin.com/pixApr00/joeramp.jpg

Stock Explorer...

http://www.letsgojeepin.com/pixApr00/larryramp.jpg

Jeep TJ with a 3" spring lift...

http://www.letsgojeepin.com/pixApr00/paulramp.jpg

[Jo_bomb17]

Just because were on the suspension subject, and no one answered my quiz, What was the most expensive mod for my jeep? It was the Suspension, i got an 8 inch lift kit, and the best shocks around!Oh yea look at the first pic i posted on page 2 of my truck, that is another good example of a solid axle! it is of course my great driving scills that keep me from flipping! :D just kidding, i accually flip alot, but that is because of my tough terrain! Badlands off roading ALL THE WAY BABBY!

[mavrick0611]

TJx2, are you sure thats a suburban? looks like a tahoe to me.

aj

[ProjectTwin]

Guys, do it to scale!

http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0NQAAAIgTpxTKEQGbksXpZ60p6Biawdk3DNt1zJxWHGeZtRkx6 MqLt7Uh*kiliMZ26OW4RUoiByVAPTjpjwEPfQ/whosyourdaddy.jpg

:D

Jason

[jeepinator]

Oh, and possibly the best example yet:

Late 80's Toyota with IFS, flexing on a rock
http://colo.theshreves.com/pics/4run_ifs.jpg

And here is the exact same Toyota with a solid front axle conversion:
http://colo.theshreves.com/pics/4run_sfa.jpg

NOW tell me which suspension type keeps the tires on the ground better :p

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[Dirty Pirate]

hehe u can still get by with IFS. u will get stuck tho where the others keep going

IFS shouldnt stop you from goin out on the trail. just know your limitations and be afraid to have a jeep help u out :)

just thought id share that even ford explorers can have some fun- some modded some not
http://www.explorer4x4.com/moab2001/rickcrack2.jpg
IFS limitations:
http://www.explorer4x4.com/thaven_kevinwhlup2.jpg
http://www.explorer4x4.com/thaven_ani.gif </A>
is that a mercury lol
http://www.explorer4x4.com/PendNormStkL.jpg

[ 06-13-2001: Message edited by: Dirty Pirate ]

[ 06-13-2001: Message edited by: Dirty Pirate ]

[jeepinator]

Can anyone tell me who first coined the term "yuppie" ?


OK, since nobody even tried, I will tell you: Mike Royko, in the Chicago Sun Tribune. He probably coined this in let's see ... '85 or so. Give or take a year.

Mike Royko was (is?) the best column writer known to man. VERY funny and made some realy good points. I love that guy ;)

peace

[chucksolo]

I never said you couldn't go 4 wheeling with a Grand Cherokee. Perhaps I should have said you have to be prepared to bang up such a pretty body and have the cojones not to cry if you crunch a quarter panel or door. My hats off to you jeepinator since you obviously have the cojones to try that type of 4WDing with such a nice looking Jeep. I still wouldn't do that in a MB, Lexus or BMW SUV though. Not that they aren't capable, but the damage to the body would be pretty expensive to fix.

[jeepinator]

chucksolo wrote:
I never said you couldn't go 4 wheeling with a Grand Cherokee.

No, I suppose you did not. What you DID say however was:

Nobody in their right mind would 4 wheel those!!!

I am in my right mind and I do go wheeling with it. That is what I was trying to correct you on. Not trying to be mean here, but you were wrong.
I agree though (like I said above), not many people do. I would have even been a bit suprised a couple of years ago.

And yes, I would almost cry if I munched something. This is why I ask to get spotted on the tough stuff and I know my limits. No machoism here. I have pansied out lots of times. I live by the saying, "Better safe than sorry" !
The fact is, these WJ's were designed to go off road and they perform very well there. I am not abusing it in any way. It will live a long happy life, just like all the soccer mom's Jeeps and grocery getter's Jeeps. :p

[chucksolo]

By the way, my comment about being in their right minds pertained to the $40,000 plus SUV's from MB, BMW and the like. Your GC would be inexpensive to fix compared with those. I actually had a really nice 1987 Bronco II that I bought in 1986 and went 4 Wheeling in that all the time except when it got really rough (deer hunting, etc.) I used an old world war II jeep that was pretty junked up for insane 4 wheeling.

[cshontz]

jeepinator isn't the only one :)

http://www.s5di.com/cheeztj/alsky.jpg

[ELJEEPO]

Rustler Hustler, I would say the most expensive mod was the Samuri body...

Dirty Pirate, that first exploder is taking the easy line over golden crack, but it is quite impressive that it was able to get there with the overhang it has. There are lots of drops that even catch my buddies YJ with 4" RE lift and 35" MT/R's.

Running trails in a Grand or Box jeep would **** because of limited sight lines, It's so nice w/o doors and side windows to check out what kind of business that you are in.


TJx2, what degree ramp is that?

[TJx2]

ElJeepo... I beleive it started off as something screwy like 23 degrees, but Troy ended up having to increase it to something like 30 or so degrees because the bigger rigs kept maxing it out.

[jeepinator]

chucksolo, thanks for clarifying that ;)
Sorry for the harsh response. I am just a wee bit sensetive to people thinking I am making a bad decuision or being irresponsible by wheeling in my WJ.
Again, sorry.

[CBlakeNS]

Nice pics!!

[HumbleEagle487]

LOL My dad didn't believe people off-roaded Grand Cherokees, wait until I show him these pics.

[jeepinator]

Here's yet one more, just to make sure you see that Grand Cherokees are capable off road rigs :)

http://colo.theshreves.com/pics/steepjeep.jpg

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[Jo_bomb17]

Sweet! :D :) :cool:

[HumbleEagle487]

lol that'll show him that they are.

[BadReligion]

Hey guys those are some very cool pictures! It is nice to see some nice SUV's actually going off-road for once. I gotta get a Jeep... Anyone checked out the Land Rover Defender 90? Those things are Sweeeet. I do agree with your guys that the Hummer does lack some key off-road abilities for rock climbing and such, but to me they are still the sweetest cars in the world. Cya later

http://www.me.mtu.edu/~warner/images/hummer/new/cmud.gif

[ProjectTwin]

After geing in the Army for the past 6 years, I've had a chance to drive Hummers all over. I much prefer my '50 Willys CJ3A with 33" Swampers, dual Detroits, 4.56 gears, Dana 300, Chevy 350 and TH-350 tranny. I can drive it pretty muck anywhere a dirt bike can go. I can go places a Hummer would never think to stick it's nose, and can climb anything I can touch with a tire.

Hummers are nice at times, but not practical. There's an Army saying for equipment like that....

"Tactical, not practical." :D

Jason

[BuckNaked]

I dont think anyone would really take a Ford Explorer off-road butt I did enjoy the pics.

[Fafnir]

I am on bumper number 3 with my Wrangler, I keep either hitting rocks or trees, perhaps I need bigger tires...

--Chad