Kyosho Inferno ST US Sports RTR

[PeterV]

No official info or specs just yet, I'm just tossing the pics up for wild speculation! I'll post the official details ASAP.

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/InfernoSTbodyon.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/InfernoSTchassis.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/InfernoSTside.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/InfernoSTtopview.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/InfernoSTtopdeck.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/InfernoSTtire.jpg

Unofficially, those arms are obviously wider, and the chassis is stretched (note the gap between the front brace and the fuel tank--it's bigger here than on the 777 buggy. The distance from the radio box to the rear gearbox looks longer too). The hexes look like standard 17mm jobs, but the Inferno's tubular axles aren't used; instead, it's a smaller-diameter threaded shaft. Rod braces add support, the chassis is radiused, and the shocks are...plastic? It's hard to see. The pipe is a cast multi-piece unit (good place to trim some weight) and the steering linkage is just a Z-bend; a threaded link with ball ends and cups would be my first upgrade. Other than that, I'm ready to play with it straight outta the box.

[Tyrael1986]

Doesn't it look like a RC10GT with big wheels on it? the A-Arms on it look really strong too. that looks like it could take a beating, now I'm curious how much its gonna cost and what it has in it... very nice though. to bad Kyosho is distributing from themselves and not tower or anything anymore.

[Noreaga]

Another truggy to welcome with open arms......Nice!!!

[dacemaxx111]

ok now i just need them to make a special 1 version and i will put in my order
anybody know when it will be out?

[RCMadMatt]

ok now i just need them to make a special 1 version and i will put in my order
anybody know when it will be out?
About 5 months before the special 2 version is released! :D

Matt

[Bart_Banaan]

Hmmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but Kyosho already build a car like this some years ago; the USA-1. In someway the chassis looks like a re-release of the USA-1...

http://www.madmaxx.de/monstertrucks/kyosho/usa1/images/usa110.jpg

[fezzy]

Bart dude, Put the crack pipe down :o

[andersun16]

This is good news - I've heard elsewhere that this truck is based off the 7.5 platform moreso than the 777 platform. Also, it is not as long (wheelbase) as the LSP but is longer than a buggy (mid-size truggy?). Should be a contender and since a lot of the 7.5 parts bolt right onto an LSP they should work for this too (KingHeadz stuff, etc.).

[Bart_Banaan]

Bart dude, Put the crack pipe down :o

:p

I own a USA-1, and when you pull off the wheels, and loose 4 of the 8 dampers, you got the grandpa of this Truggy!

BTW: Some more/different info from an Australian site:
http://www.nitrobuggies.com/forums/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=2

[savageP3]

unfortunately kyosho put this on the 7.5 chassis-leaving it 2 steps behind their buggy. too bad cause it would be a hella sweet truck if it was off the 777. i want the wheels though.

[PeterV]

Actually Bart, you've got the grandpa of EVERY truggy! :)

[Wosstifer]

This is good news - I've heard elsewhere that this truck is based off the 7.5 platform moreso than the 777 platform. Also, it is not as long (wheelbase) as the LSP but is longer than a buggy (mid-size truggy?). Should be a contender and since a lot of the 7.5 parts bolt right onto an LSP they should work for this too (KingHeadz stuff, etc.).

Like the old storm sut?

[Bart_Banaan]

Actually Bart, you've got the grandpa of EVERY truggy! :)

Actually I have!:D
(I collect old Buggies and Truggies..... I've offroad cars dating back to 1974)

[mscjakes]

that truggy is awesome

[Skribble]

The wheels look super dope. :) And looks like you can use the mudguards too.

[StevePond]

Actually I have!:D
(I collect old Buggies and Truggies..... I've offroad cars dating back to 1974)


Nice truck ;) I think Peter was referring to the fact that with the Nitro USA-1 is the first truggy ever made.

[microrcdude]

I KNEW MR POND WOULD BE BACK! allright, now some info on the ST please pondy?

[rc411]

unfortunately kyosho put this on the 7.5 chassis-leaving it 2 steps behind their buggy. too bad cause it would be a hella sweet truck if it was off the 777. i want the wheels though.

There is a reason... there is NO mp777 RTR.

[jet6619]

it looks just like the mini inferno st that's gonna be released. and i'm sad they packed the crappy pipe on the thing. what company puts a screw together pipe on a truck?

[savageP3]

There is a reason... there is NO mp777 RTR.
so? make one. this is a completley differen vehicle anyway just sharing some pats with the 7.5.

[hardadz]

What I have for info at this point on this is that it comes as a "ready set" Inferno ST-S RTR and should be $ 399.99 Its listed as part # 31351B and comes with the GXR28 enginge. This is due out at the end of November. I will post tech info and a parts list as soon as I receive it as I did on the Lazer ZX5

[rc411]

so? make one. this is a completley differen vehicle anyway just sharing some pats with the 7.5.

Now, why would kyosho want to do that when they already make a killing off both of them? This gives Kyosho ANOTHER chance to make big bucks on hopups for the mp7.5 st chassis. Then they can do the same yet again for the mp777 STchassis. Sooner or later, the MP777 ST Kit will be "official".

[SS Pede]

"Approximately with it is effective and equipping the dual disk brake which can adjust taste."

Ooooh! Adjustable taste! Approximately with it is effective! Sounds like a winner! :D

Hehe but seriously, cool truck.

[rc411]

I kinda saw this coming. Anyone remember RC Nitro's July issue? the 7.5 buggy truggy conversion? Just goes to show that Kyosho is listening to us. HOPEFULLY they dont come up with a MP 777 ST, SP1 ST and a SP2 ST. That'd be a monster money sucker to get to where u wanna be.

[StevePond]

I'm sensing a little sarcasm.

[hardadz]

Anyone feel that someone is a little biased? If my mind still serves me right, Losi, Associated and Kyosho ALL seem to do the same with minute changes to their lines. Its called "innovative" ideas and yes it does keep the bottom line at a profit level. If it did'nt there would be nothing to complain about. just my sucken thoughts, lol

[rc411]

i m hopin the kit version will be a SP2 build off, not a standard mp777. Which post were u talkin about pond?

[t9dragon]

Great looking truck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trakhak]

From what I can see in the pics, it looks like another motor with the crankcase and motor mount cast together. I wish Kyosho would adopt a standard motor mount system it would make things much easier for the end user when it comes time to upgrade the motor. It also looks like a plastic spur gear in there, with a truggy it should be a steel one. Thats asking an awful lot of a plastic spur to put up with in my opinion.
Also now that they are reviving life into that chassis its going to be hard for a typical hobby shop to stock parts for a 7.5 rtr, 7.5 ST rtr, SP1, and now a SP2 along with the customers hanging on to their K3s! Thats alot of inventory to try and keep on hand. With all the buggies and now factory truggy conversions it is going to come down to stocking what is selling the most in the given area.
All in all though, with all of the manufacturers getting into it, it justs means more R&D and that will translate into better vehicles!

[SixVi6-Camaro]

Ehhhh.... I love the idea but it looks like they based it off the 7.5 SPORT with the same Junk linkages, junk pot metal ring and pinions, 4 spider gear diffs instead of 6, Plastic spur gear, and dogbones everywhere. heck this truggy looks to have plastic shock bodies too. I really hope they release a Kanai or "racer" style kit that has the good buggy diffs, CVA's, steel spur gear, Aluminum shocks.. ect.. ect.

[MikeWz]

It looks pretty sweet. Nothing wrong with basing it off of the 7.5 chassis, it was a great chassis. And apparently the 777 non special has some pretty hardcore chassis flex. People are buying the chassis stiffener from the Special-1 along with the better shock towers to try to get it more rigid. Never heard of any of those problems on the 7.5.
And that body looks like it'll produce some pretty sweet downforce

[t9dragon]

Ehhhh.... I love the idea but it looks like they based it off the 7.5 SPORT with the same Junk linkages, junk pot metal ring and pinions, 4 spider gear diffs instead of 6, Plastic spur gear, and dogbones everywhere. heck this truggy looks to have plastic shock bodies too. I really hope they release a Kanai or "racer" style kit that has the good buggy diffs, CVA's, steel spur gear, Aluminum shocks.. ect.. ect.

How can you tell what gears are inside of a sealed diff case?

[Nitro-Olli]

How can you tell what gears are inside of a sealed diff case?

Nobody knows, but due to all those cheap parts shown in the pics, this truck looks like it is the "truggy-brother" of the inferno mp 7.5 sports, which has only 4 spider gears instead of 6 like almost any other buggy has.

I agree, this truck looks cheap, the steering linkage and plastic shocks are simply a joke.

But I´m sure that there will be a version for serious racing, without engine and that ugly pipe, which will be much more interesting than that "toy-for-a-12-years-old-boy"..

[adrianderekluna]

if i had the choice between running a kyosho drive train and componenet set vs, just about any other kit on the market, i'd prefer kyosho. i used to run a rody C5 on the inferno without a hitch. just got to be sure the diffs are shimmed and the kit is solid. sensitive on the track too.

also, there are a slew of aluminum hop ups on ebay that can swap out the natural torque rod kits for the original mp 7.5. they are meant to flex a little. too stiff gives for a rigid track esxperience. and you break stuff.

[Freedom]

I would rather get a LST for as much as that's going to go for.

[adrianderekluna]

yeah totally. the kyosho is going to be pricey. bottom line.

[elcid4300]

I would rather get a LST for as much as that's going to go for.


There isn't even a price listed, at least let Kyosho post a price rather than just assume it's going to be expensive ;)

[rpmmaxxed]

The z-bends on the steering are not a bad idea.

As long as the rod is proper diameter, there is zero slop, and there is no longer a ball cup to pop off.

Ask anybody that is into planes, they will take a z-bend over a linkage any day.

[gotspeed_2000]

This kit has potential, but it also has a few drawbacks. The Z bend in the steering servo linkage is really unacceptable especially for a monster truck which will put alot of load on the linkage. Also, it is unfortunate that they decided to use the 7.5 as the basis for this kit, but atleast there are alot of upgrades for this chassis. But even with upgrades available, the costs of the kits and upgrades unfortunately will drive up the costs of this kit. For those who would want a hard core racer might want to wait for a kit version to come out.

[Zapped24]

It's about time that this happened! It's pretty bad when their competitor, Mugen, has to make their MSR conversion kit for Kyosho's too(MP777 based as well)! Who knows, we may have a battle brewing here! LOL :eek:

[WheelNut]

Wow, very unimpressive. It is obviuos that this truck is not built for true racing. Probably just another truck we can add to the list of junky over priced Kyosho vehicles (i.e. pretty much everything besides their high end racers).

[adrianderekluna]

kyosho, junky? are you joking?

[adrianderekluna]

i already bought one and got in there and shimmed the diffs. here it is with a C5 rody on it and a 94358 on the front. http://www.unethkl.com/rctrack/Aliso9.wmv had such a good experience with the kit i decided to get the sp1. it's great!

[StevePond]

Wow, very unimpressive. It is obviuos that this truck is not built for true racing. Probably just another truck we can add to the list of junky over priced Kyosho vehicles (i.e. pretty much everything besides their high end racers).

Please be reasonable with your opinions. It's OK of you're a fan of another brand of vehicle, but this is a little over the top. If you want to have productive discussion, let me point out that this is the only truggy on the market that's based on the design of an IFMAR World Champion. No, it's not the exact same vehicle because it's modified to transform it into a truggy, but it's got the most successful DNA of any such truck currently available. Yes, we could go hog wild with lots of hardcore racing accessories and make it more of a pure-bred racer, but please note that it's the Inferno ST-S - the last "S" standing for "Sport" often synonymous with RTR. It's designed to provide good performance and good value for customers that want an assembled vehicle.

Overpriced? This truck is expected to sell for about $399 in the hobby shop. That's $30 less than the most basic Stadium RR RTR, $30 less than the OFNA Blazer SST RTR, $100 less that the Mayhem ST, etc, etc. It's hardly overpriced. You haven't even put your hands on one yet, so your opinion where it relates to quality is a little tough to justify at the moment. I suppose that you can find fault with anything that's not your truck of choice if you look hard enough, but a mature and factual evaluation based on what you know today could certainly benefit from a little less rhetoric. ;)

If you have any constructive feedback, Kyosho is interested in continuing to make the best products for all types of enthusiasts. If you have reasonable and factual feedback, please do provide it because Kyosho does listen. Everyone has different expectations and one vehicle is only going to satisfy the group for which it was intended. If you desire something markedly different, please say so. The more reasonable feedback we get, the more we can make the case for future developments and improvements.

[zakerid]

well said Steve

[adrianderekluna]

wow. very articulate reponse steve. sounds like you had a part in the design and launch of this product. if so, awesome.

your in lake forest, me too. i'm headed to arc raceway this weekend if your interested. the orange county tmaxx club will be there too. i also tend to hit the regency track from time to time, though it's hella dusty. so if your into bashing, let me know.

[jamminCRT]

Steve,

I would challenge one thing you mention. The LSP/RR are based on the Lightning buggy, and the Lightning buggy is based on the Kanai buggies (stolen rather), so it would be fair to say the LSP has Ifmar champ DNA as well?

[adrianderekluna]

xerox kits are similar in appearance but when it comes down to sensitivitey on the track, they handle totally different than the original.

i tried the ofna 9.5 once. thing felt like a brick compaired to the 7.5.

[jamminCRT]

9.5 isnt quite a xerox kit to the 7.5. Way too many differences, which is why it produced brick handling. The LP1 and 2 have done very well, even better when you consider they only have one 'real' driver.

[cucan]

Hi Steve,
I am going to have a general comment about Kyosho and availability.Since that you guys are not working with towerhobbies,it has become almost impossible for us(out of US) to find the wide selection of parts that tower had in stock.And since they stopped selling the products I and lots of friends and people I know cant find parts for the cars.We like it or not tower has a very good system,easy to shop,delivery etc that almost no one else has.
So what can you suggest?

Best Regards

CEM

[Skribble]

If you have any constructive feedback, Kyosho is interested in continuing to make the best products for all types of enthusiasts. If you have reasonable and factual feedback, please do provide it because Kyosho does listen. Everyone has different expectations and one vehicle is only going to satisfy the group for which it was intended. If you desire something markedly different, please say so. The more reasonable feedback we get, the more we can make the case for future developments and improvements.Any insight on whether a racer version will be made? :p :p

New picture from a recent show in Tokyo. InfernoST with Sirio and what looks like aluminum shocks:
http://www.geocities.jp/hobbyshows/japan/rc/180.jpg

And would the King Headz Kanai II/III parts fit directly on the InfernoST? Really considering this and the Inferno(GT)? Throw a OS .30 in this, and a V-Spec in the GT. :D

[StevePond]

Skribble, It's the Inferno ST outfitted with parts from the 777 and others. Many of the accessories will fit other than some obvious parts because of the new suspension and chassis. We should have more information by the iHobby show in Los Angeles.

[jmangler1]

I would love to have one of these! I was going to order the MSR truggy conversion thats comming out for my 777SP2 but now that I saw this I would much rather by a truggy straight from the Kysho factory! Please let us know when these bad boyz will be arriveing!!!!!!

[jamminCRT]

Steve,

Why cheap out on the Z bend the steering servo?
I love Kyosho stuff, but all of their non PRO kits have such 'junky' stuff on them. Even the 777 SP1, guys at my track were bending stock ally stuff like crazy. If you are going to cheap out on stuff, at least make the option parts to improve it, kinda like TTR does.

[StevePond]

Jammin, you're obviously an OFNA fan, and that's OK. All I ask is that if you're going to comment about the features of a product, that you simply ask or comment in a reasonable manner. Again, there's nothing wrong with asking "why the Z-bend linkage instead of a turnbuckle?" or a statement like, "I would prefer a turnbuckle instead of the Z-bend." But, when you start with the comments like "cheap out" or "junky stuff," I'm simply not going to acknowledge your post.

[StevePond]

I would love to have one of these! I was going to order the MSR truggy conversion thats comming out for my 777SP2 but now that I saw this I would much rather by a truggy straight from the Kysho factory! Please let us know when these bad boyz will be arriveing!!!!!!

We will have some prototype trucks at the Los Angeles iHobby show. the production versions should be shipped to the hobby shops around the beginning of December.

[StevePond]

Hi Steve,
I am going to have a general comment about Kyosho and availability.Since that you guys are not working with towerhobbies,it has become almost impossible for us(out of US) to find the wide selection of parts that tower had in stock.And since they stopped selling the products I and lots of friends and people I know cant find parts for the cars.We like it or not tower has a very good system,easy to shop,delivery etc that almost no one else has.
So what can you suggest?

Best Regards

CEM

cucan - while Tower no longer carries the products, there's a new and much more local distributor. Contact http://www.kyosho.de/ and they whould be able to point you in the right direction, or help you directly.

[jmangler1]

We will have some prototype trucks at the Los Angeles iHobby show. the production versions should be shipped to the hobby shops around the beginning of December.

Awesome! I cant wait to bring that baby home! The Fiance is going to be really mad, but she will have to deal with it! I love Kyosho! Dont matter to me what other people say. They should have done this they should have done that. The bottom line is Kyosho is top notch! Winning races everywhere and satifying their owners! I had every buggy out and I ended up keeping the Kyosho! Not knocking any other buggies but I like Kyosho best! It may not be the nicest looking kit, but it drives awsome! I know I will like the Inferno ST!

I have one more question for you Steve, Are they going to come out with anoter version that will be a step up from this one, like say a Inferno ST Pro?? Or a 777 SP2 Truggy?? Just curious, dont want to get a base modle if their is going to be another one comming out with all the goodies. Then again doing hop-ups if part of the fun!

Thanks

[StevePond]

J - sounds like you're a fan. ;) I'm a huge Kyosho fan of course, and now that I'm here I'm confident that the truck is going to meet and exceed your expectations. Thanks for the support and please let us know if there's any way we can help you. As for your question, all we know right now is they've asked if there's a good market for such a truck. Of course we responded with an emphatic yes, but the final decision belongs to Kyosho (who has to consider the global market) and there's no indication yet that such a truck is coming soon.

[mook]

hi

just tried the this link for kyosho parts

http://www.kyosho.de/


I dont Sprechen Sie Deutche!

any english?

cheers

[StevePond]

They speak English. Contact them at hotline@kyosho.de, or if you're in the UK or general area, contact FDL at info@kyosho.fr - they speak English as well. They're currently the distributor in France but are also setting up distribution in the UK. You can visit their website at www.kyosho.fr

[jamminCRT]

Why did Kyosho choose to use a Z bend?

I feel (my opinion) that it is not a quality way of doing it, as this is what we see on Radio Shack cars. This is not a shot, I am asking an honest question, and I know more than just I have drawn this conclusion.

[StevePond]

OK, I'll look past the "shot" ;) comparing Kyosho stuff to Radio Shack (which isn’t supposed to be a shot) and simply point out that this is a Ready-to-Run. A Z-bend in the end of the linkage that goes through the servo horn is something that's been done for many years even in racing buggies. It's lighter and it cannot, under any circumstances come free from the servo horn while everything is still installed in the truck.

I'm the type of person that likes trick stuff, so I admit that I'd like to drop a couple of titanium ball studs in there with a titanium turnbuckle linkage sporting a couple diesel-looking rod ends. But that would also be attached to my 150+ oz./in. digital servo, Helios/M11/3PK radio, sitting on a chassis with my Sirio/OS/Novarossi engine and matching tuned pipe. The point is, this truck is not built for me out of the box, nor is it for you. As much as you may like to see a vehicle equipped with the finer things, you’re not going to find it in this RTR. I’ve never damaged this type of linkage, EVER. Anyone who claims to have done so either tells a good story or dropped their machine from a 60-story building. It’s simply WAY stronger than the servo saver or servo gears.

. I've been racing for over 20 years, and many cars that I've run have had the exact same linkage. I've never bent one, or otherwise been unhappy with the way it's performed. Again, I would like the $700 racing truck as I’m sure you would, but the features of this truck were not selected for us.

I’ll make you a deal… if it bothers you that much, buy the truck and I’ll give you the $3.35 it’s going to take to install an average turnbuckle and ball studs. :cool:

[2fast2slow]

Do you think they will make a 2 speed tranny for it? Also what should the speed be for this truck, and how do you think it will compare with the Hellfire?

[RichardCheese]

Hi,

LamerN00b here. Seems to me that every buggy/truggy manufacturer out there has a support forum...so obviously whatever product they're supporting has its own issues.

Every product sold from any manufacturer will (or at least should) have an intended audience. Radio Shack sells stuff for little kids. [insert favorite manufacuturer] sells varying levels of buggy's/truggy's based on the intended market. Club racers, or those on a smaller budget will more than likely purchase entry level buggies (RTR's are perfect for this) while crack addicts go for the kits w/ high end parts.

People purchase what they like. If there was a hands down best buggy/truggy it would be purchased by one and all...and immediately xerox'd by every other company out there. As a n00b to the buggy/truggy scene I can barely tell the difference between the various buggy's/truggy's out there when they have their lids removed.

With respect to this truggy (Kyosho) they'll make the uber-truggy-kit if the market demands it. If peeps will buy the RTR and upgrade it to the hilt, and Kyosho will make more money this way, then they (Kyosho) will continue to sell the RTR only.

But really, how much difference is there between the various buggy/truggy's out there? That's not rhetorical, I'm asking. :^)

[t9dragon]

Hi,

LamerN00b here. Seems to me that every buggy/truggy manufacturer out there has a support forum...so obviously whatever product they're supporting has its own issues.

Every product sold from any manufacturer will (or at least should) have an intended audience. Radio Shack sells stuff for little kids. [insert favorite manufacuturer] sells varying levels of buggy's/truggy's based on the intended market. Club racers, or those on a smaller budget will more than likely purchase entry level buggies (RTR's are perfect for this) while crack addicts go for the kits w/ high end parts.

People purchase what they like. If there was a hands down best buggy/truggy it would be purchased by one and all...and immediately xerox'd by every other company out there. As a n00b to the buggy/truggy scene I can barely tell the difference between the various buggy's/truggy's out there when they have their lids removed.

With respect to this truggy (Kyosho) they'll make the uber-truggy-kit if the market demands it. If peeps will buy the RTR and upgrade it to the hilt, and Kyosho will make more money this way, then they (Kyosho) will continue to sell the RTR only.

But really, how much difference is there between the various buggy/truggy's out there? That's not rhetorical, I'm asking. :^)

That's exactly what I've been thinking. Looking at all the buggies/truggies that are being produced and sold, are all about the same.

[jmcn r]

was looking at this a couple months back...but now i am really taking a stronger one. this thing looks damn nice especially for that price!

what would bother me at the start seeing this (RTR or not...its still at base a higher end machine) truggy with plastic shocks if thats really the case...but thats not to say it will have plastic for sure or if the shocks in the pics were even plastic to begin with.

other than that, considering the market (which certain detractors seem to be pleasantly avoiding the matter of fact) is steadily getting more "base model" truggys...Kyoshos timing might be great. classic Inferno lineage may pay off too!

on the looks (important especially for a RTR) this thing looks quite pretty with body on...nice stance and stylish overall. looks great under the skin and not too complicated (great again for a base RTR), funky looking filter though.

anyway, anxiously awaiting this and the Hellfire....although for my personal tastes Helffire is doing it more, but then again a nicer racer kit Truggy does it even more :cool:

[ministerOFfire]

...Looks like a solid truck for the price. On another note...don't Kyosho typically comes out with the kit first?...and then the rtr?...I hope this isn't a new trend :mad: ...kits seem to be fading...(i.e. Associated MGT...seems Associated usually came out with the kit first also :confused: )

[danieljk]

ok, i don't like those chassis braces, really weak looking imo

[danieljk]

I actually think it's more like the MSR uses wheel extenders(cheap on mugen's part, horrible idea), whereas every other actually truggy has a long armed type suspension... i really like how that kyosho looks except for... like i said b4, those chassis braces, i'm sure there'll be aftermarkets available however.

[Breakin2]

I just want to point out that Mugen is offering the MSR as a stand-alone kit now.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLSU8&P=0

[ministerOFfire]

I just want to point out that Mugen is offering the MSR as a stand-alone kit now.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLSU8&P=0

whoa!...and its 700 bones....I could buy the kyosho for 400 and invest another 300 and build a better truck than the Mugen... :D

[ronestar]

*yawn*

I don't know about you guys but is this really neccessary ? I have been reading this thread solely to find out information about this new Kyosho Truggy , but instead it's full of useless posts that honestly add nothing to the topic.

If I wanted a Kyosho bashing thread , I would have searched for one instead. Granted I do agree that their RTR's could be better , that isn't what this thread is about , it's for people in this hobby who want to know more about the new truggy , read up on its features , ask questions for clarification and DECIDE for THEMSELVES whether or not its worth them buying it. No one needs browse this thread for info and come across all these inflammatory post that don't add any quality to the discussion aside from the joy of seeing your own little opinion posted up somewhere in cyberspace.

Right then , after wading painfully through these posts , I noted that there was a hopped up version of this buggy at the hobby show , with some 777 parts etc. I would like to know if there are plans to release this as a racer kit ? I will most likely not be buying the RTR as I want something more race oriented (please pass this along ;) ) but I can see many who will , it looks like a decent truggy at a fair price , I don't mind the Z links ( heli flyers often don't *grins* ) but would like to see a better pipe and shocks.

Peace all.

[TimJohnson]

*yawn*

I don't know about you guys but is this really neccessary ? I have been reading this thread solely to find out information about this new Kyosho Truggy , but instead it's full of useless posts that honestly add nothing to the topic.

If I wanted a Kyosho bashing thread , I would have searched for one instead. Granted I do agree that their RTR's could be better , that isn't what this thread is about , it's for people in this hobby who want to know more about the new truggy , read up on its features , ask questions for clarification and DECIDE for THEMSELVES whether or not its worth them buying it. No one needs browse this thread for info and come across all these inflammatory post that don't add any quality to the discussion aside from the joy of seeing your own little opinion posted up somewhere in cyberspace.

Right then , after wading painfully through these posts , I noted that there was a hopped up version of this buggy at the hobby show , with some 777 parts etc. I would like to know if there are plans to release this as a racer kit ? I will most likely not be buying the RTR as I want something more race oriented (please pass this along ;) ) but I can see many who will , it looks like a decent truggy at a fair price , I don't mind the Z links ( heli flyers often don't *grins* ) but would like to see a better pipe and shocks.

Peace all.

thank you for the helping put this thread back on track......The hopped-up version of the truggy had K3 Option parts, if i remember correctly. I don't see a darn thing wrong with Z-bends. If they work with my drag car, and my aircraft, then why not in the truck......This is a RTR not a kit.........

[C.J.OO]

Hot Dam Digity Dog Thats My Next TRUGGY for sure....

With the right Hop ups that thing Will be a KILLER....

I LOVE IT...:D..

[Skribble]

thank you for the helping put this thread back on track......The hopped-up version of the truggy had K3 Option parts, if i remember correctly. I don't see a darn thing wrong with Z-bends. If they work with my drag car, and my aircraft, then why not in the truck......This is a RTR not a kit.........Where'd you see the hopped up version?

[TimJohnson]

Where'd you see the hopped up version?

It was at the Ihobby show. It was on display to show what you can do with the ST.

http://www.jrxs.com/images/Car_display.jpg

[jamminCRT]

I had asked many pages back for a picture of the hopped up version, or whichever designation it gets. That I would be interested in. Steve, if you me to be productive, then perhaps give us what we want, a picture of the version that racers will buy. Correct me if I am wrong, but bashers dont buy RTR's truggies, they buy Savages and MGTs.

[TimJohnson]

I had asked many pages back for a picture of the hopped up version, or whichever designation it gets. That I would be interested in. Steve, if you me to be productive, then perhaps give us what we want, a picture of the version that racers will buy. Correct me if I am wrong, but bashers dont buy RTR's truggies, they buy Savages and MGTs.

Please read previous post.
The Hopped-up verison is not production. It is a stock truggy with Option parts installed.

[t9dragon]

Here is some info I found on the Kyosho America site.


The exciting new Inferno ST ReadySet combines the value and convenience of a RTR with the performance and durability of the most successful nitro-powered racing machine in the history of RC racing. The Inferno ST isn't a just a buggy with truck wheels; it's a true truggy with a unique chassis and suspension that's designed and tested for competition.

The new and very powerful GXR28 engine is standard in the Inferno ST. This engine is specially designed with specifications from racing engine experts at Kyosho for the best possible performance and reliability. A big-bore slide carb is standard equipment, which provides snappy throttle response and very linear throttle control. The engine also features an exclusive new pull-starter design that eliminates the one-way bearing. The starter engages with the crankshaft when the starter is used, but once the engine starts, the start completely disengages from the crankshaft, so you get the performance of a non-pullstart engine.

The ST features an extended plate chassis with channeled edges for extra strength. It also features a longer wheelbase than a 1/8 buggy, but it's slightly shorter than other truggies. At 350mm, the wheelbase of the Inferno ST is long enough to provide excellent stability, but the wheelbase is slightly shorter than other truggies to provide superior steering response to get you through the corners faster than a long wheelbase machine.

Extra long suspension arms give the ST massive suspension travel and excellent geometry. That means it can soak up the bumps and big air landings and it can still dive underneath the competition in the tight corners on the racetrack. The suspension is damped with composite shocks that feature threaded spring preload adjusters. The shocks have five lower mounting positions with seven upper positions for the rear shocks and 4 up front. There are caster, camber, toe, anti-squat, and many other adjustments that can be made to race tune the Inferno ST in a matter of seconds.

SKU - 31351B
Street Price - $399.99
Available - December '05

[t9dragon]

I forgot this info

Features:
Equipped with a GX-28 engine with tuned pipe
Engine features a pull start with no one-way bearing
Long front arms for massive suspension travel
Extended upper links for superior strength
19mm hex and 14mm hex (TMaxx size)
Threaded shock bodies

Specifications:
Length: 19.68 in. (500mm)
Width: 16.34 in. (415mm)
Height 5.9 in. (150mm)
Wheelbase: 13.78 in. (350mm)
Track Width: (F/R) 258mm - 261mm
Tire Size: (F/R) 5.7 in. (145mm) dia. / 2.9 in. (73.5mm) width
Gear ratio: 15.22:1
Total Weight: 121.7 oz. (3450g)
Engine GX-28

[Motorman007]

it looks like the the center diff is the same as the other kyosho buggys 46?

so all the gearing is done in the front and rear of the diff?

it has to be to get a Gear ratio: 15.22:1.

the buggy is 11.70.1 or so

so you think the tires factor in with the over all Gear ratio: 15.22:1 or was the diff and pinion changed.

i can wait to get more info on the truck. i too love the body.

please i have kyosho parts coming out my ear to hop it up..

shocks
turnbuckle
motors

we should be able to use the same motor mounts.

[tarheelquality]

Steve, I might have missed it but what sort of torque rating does the steering servo have?

[kawasakirider]

does anyone know how big the engine in it will be will it be a .21?

[jamminCRT]

It is a .28

[StevePond]

Tar, the standard servo is about 60 oz-in. of torque.

[thedarkness]

wow 15.22 final drive thats pretty low, the truck should have plenty o punch.

[tarheelquality]

Kinda surprised that the steering servo is n't high torque, that is becoming pretty standard in the RTR trucks.

[StevePond]

I'm not aware of the specs of all the servos used in RTRs, but this is slightly stronger then the few that I know. Do you know which ones come with stronger servos?

[tarheelquality]

I would have to look, but I know I have seen severel truggies lately with 80-100 oz steering and some more. I love the truck and am looking for a truggy so am not trying to bad mouth it.

[repete]

the ttr st-1 ( that for some reason was never put up in this forum..along with OPS engines...who knows why?) comes with some pretty strong stock servos

[StevePond]

...I love the truck and am looking for a truggy so am not trying to bad mouth it.

No, I didn't take it that way - sorry if it sounded that way. I'm curious for my own knowledge.

[StevePond]

the ttr st-1 ( that for some reason was never put up in this forum..along with OPS engines...who knows why?) comes with some pretty strong stock servos

The manufacturer should send a press release like almost everyone else. Sometimes the editors will put something together because they run across stuff on websites every now and then, but most of the information you see here is the result of the information provided by the manufacturer. Do you have any specs on the servos. The Kyosho servo is "pretty strong" too, at least by RTR standards.

[repete]

High torque 8.Kg metal gear steering & throttle/brake servo included

strait from ACE's website

[repete]

its about 108oz i think...

[StevePond]

OK, that makes sense. That truck has a retail price of $1100, which certainly allows them to include a stronger steering servo. Do you have information on servos for trucks that are going to sell in the same price range? The Inferno ST should sell for about $399.

[tarheelquality]

Tmaxx is 80 oz, and while in the past I have seen ratings on others they are remarkably hard to come by on manufacturer sites. I don't have a lot of expereince in Nitro which is why I am looking at something like this instead of a kit to get into it. I have been running electric since the 80s though and cant wait for Kyosho to get some new electric touring cars out. Saw the Japan car the other week when Lemiux came to the local track and loved it, wish it was available here.

[repete]

The TTR is a better equiped truggy which is why it prolly cost more..cause TTR is known to be a good bargain for what u get. Like teh TTR engine is prolly way better..the tuned pipe on the Kyosho is prolly cast. If the kyosho is like there buggy rtr..its gunna have weak diffs. The TTR also has nice 3.5mm shocks. So there is reason why the TTR cost more.

I tihnk the Jammin RTR truggy will prolly come featured comparable to the TTR and will prolly cost the similar.

[BriS]

OK, that makes sense. That truck has a retail price of $1100, which certainly allows them to include a stronger steering servo. Do you have information on servos for trucks that are going to sell in the same price range? The Inferno ST should sell for about $399.

The XTM Mammoth ST steering servo is a Cirrus and has around 190 oz/in. That goes for $350-400 range.

[thedarkness]

Nice caveman test steve.... I couldn't think of anything harder on a drivline than WOT to concrete all at zero MPH, fankly I know none of my trucks could survive without a bent dogbone or stripped diff gears.

Also If theres going to be head bumping Ill go grab the pots so we can intensify the damage :D

[DNF2005]

I just purchased my very first KYOSHO anything (MP777 SP2) this year. I have owned buggies, trucks, and on road cars from various manufactures over the years and it is safe to say that I will take Kyosho z bend linkages any day of the week over some of the buggies Thunder Tiger has produced. Granted, I have seen the latest offering by T.T. and was quite impressed...even considered buying one for myself, but in the end Kyosho got my hard earned cash. Not to bash but, IMO Thunder Tiger is not even on the same page as Kyosho. The products they have produced have always been plagued by poor craftsmanship. Can Thunder Tiger even manufacture z bend linkages? Sorry, could not resist the cheap shot. I would like Kyosho to produce a full option version of this truggy based on the MP777 so I can keep my spare parts count low but in the end I may just purchase this new truggy anyway!!!
:D

[Shocker]

This truck is an RTR kit for about $400, not a pro kit. To come on here and rip it apart is easy and childish. Team drivers will be testing this truck soon and you will start seeing it in action at major races. This is how pro kit's come about.... ;)

[Shocker]

............

[timmygreek]

ok all of you that where ripping this truggy up for not being "competitive" enough check this link out : http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=210471
AND STOP RIPPING THIS ONE UP!!

[ministerOFfire]

ok all of you that where ripping this truggy up for not being "competitive" enough check this link out : http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=210471
AND STOP RIPPING THIS ONE UP!!

I think there were two guys trying to "rip" the rtr truck, curious as to what they have to say now...but anyways...the new 777 truck as steve has mentioned is tailored to a "different crowd"...I think both trucks will be successfull....now lets wait for word on a new monster truck from kyosho... ;)

[Thoff30]

Not to mention this truck is the winner ofthe truggy shoot out in RC Monster Truck Action Magazine June issue!

[Flipside6900]

Does it come with 14 or 17 mm hexes? I would like this is aome body could really point out the diffrences between this and the ST-R. Does this cme with the diffrent ring and pinions like the kit, and I have yet to see a bottom view of the chassis to see if it has the diffs recessed like the kit too?

[TimJohnson]

the Inferno ST-US RTR comes with 14 and 19mm hubs. The ST-R comes with standard 17mm hubs.

Check the following links :)
http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/carsandtrucks/offroadcars/31352B.asp

http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/carsandtrucks/offroadcars/31354B.asp

[turk182]

this i a old thread but thought i would up it so i can see if there is any info on the version 2 of this tryuggy.

[TimJohnson]

Here is a video with info, and glamor video shots......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p8vHrPx7WU