Kyosho Mini Inferno ST TRUGGY

[PeterV]

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Kyosho will be releasing an all-new Mini Inferno ST (Mini Truggy) just in time for Christmas. This isn’t a Mini Inferno with a truck body and wheels slapped on it. It’s almost completely redesigned with endless cool features. Here’s what we were able to find out:

FEATURES
-Oil-filled shocks
-Sealed 4-gear diffs (adjustable with silicone fluid)
-Longer suspension arms and driveshafts (true truggy stuff)
-Larger diameter wheels and tires with foam inserts
-Redesigned shock towers with gussets for strength
-Parts for changing rear toe, camber, and ride height will be included
-RTR with standard Mini Inferno electronics

Spec Comparison

------------Mini Inferno ST-----------Mini Inferno
Length:-----270mm-------------------260mm
Width:------215mm-------------------173mm
Gear ratio:--12.6:1--------------------10.8:1
Tire size:----74mmX36mm--------------64mmX25mm

[Mr. Schumacher]

How about a Mini Kyosho "GIGA CRUSHER" Monster Truck?

[Tamiya4ever]

Oh wow. I was always thinking of a mini truggy. Now I would just love to see a mini dual belt sedan :D But its very nice. I guess I may get this to add to my RC18T.

[crazyjr]

Here we go again with the mt/truggy war

[Tamiya4ever]

Here we go again with the mt/truggy war

Actually as I see it. The RC18T and Losi Mini are Stadium trucks. The Hotbodies MiniZilla, PTI and Duratrax are MT, and the new Inferno is a truggy.

[Wosstifer]

That thing is the shizzzz. Thank god it comes with oil shocks. the mini inferno's oil shox were like $80 for four

[Rain Man]

No shots with the body off?

[rckid11]

I need a kit!!!!

[elite]

Id also love to see the layout!

I like the shocks , smart move. also the adjustable toe, caster, etc makes it more racable - which its cool! All things I did to my rc18t but if this thing has it, awesome...and if the suspension is beefy, and its more 1/16th itll be awesome.....assuming itll do what the 18t will with the mamba :) (speedwise)

I initially read soso things about the speeds and mambas but make this will be a totally different who knows.......letssssss seeee inside???

[rckid11]

Same layout as the buggy.

[Rocksolid_X1]

I can't wait for more pictures to come along as well as some different paint schemes to mix it up a little.

[chris1]

That will look good next to my mini inferno

[Natedog]

MMMMm, I need one o these too!!!

[nitroracer4600]

me want!!!

[dj_ski69]

Here we go again with the mt/truggy war
Call me crazy but it looks like a 4wd Stadium Truck to me....
Never heard ne1 call the RC10T a truggy...And all it essentially is, is a buggy with bigger tires ect....
I really don't get it....Even people call the Lightning "Stadium" Truck a truggy..

This little ST is might be awesome....But like anything Kyosho the price is gonna be high...Over here in Japan the pricing on these come out to a whopping 26,429 Yen....which is about 250 Bux....(depends on the yen rate)
Just not worth it in my book.... And I don't expect the price to be that much lower when it becomes available for sale in the states....
But anything would be an improvement over the Mini Inferno which is one of the worst stock designs I've ever seen....
The amount of money needed to be spent in order to improve the Half 8 is dumb...Also it looks like they stuck with the AA battery scheme....My Grandma can run faster than this...Looks like the ST will be a bit better out of box due to the diff and shock upgrade...
Bahh....
Here is some more looks at the truck HERE (http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/half8/mini_inferno_st_ready/mini_inferno_st/mini_inferno_st-e.html) and HERE (http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/half8/mini_inferno_st_ready/lineup/lineup-e.html)

SkI

[Duster_360]

Any body know if these electronics are the integrated type where the ESC and servo are made together?

I'm with rckid11 - need a kit - offer it both ways!!

[2fast2slow]

But will a Mamba 8000kv fit, is the question?And can the 6 AA be replace with a 6 cell battery pack?

[rckid11]

Mamba's are not a good fit for Mini Inferno's. To small. Get a AON 4900 and a Mamba 25 esc and you will be much happier. You can drop in a 10 cell GP1100 pack if you really wanted to ;) .

[rckid11]

Double post. :o

[Pontiacdriver99]

Call me crazy but it looks like a 4wd Stadium Truck to me

That's what a truggy is... a 4WD stadium truck that has been converted from a buggy. And it all fits too.... consider this....stadium trucks are 1/10th scale.... and the mini-t and RC18 are 1/18th, this truck was once the buggy and is 1/16. Buggies are 1/8th scale, bigger then the 1/10th scale trucks, hence this truck is 1/16th, bigger then the 1/18th. It all fits into the scales between the 1/10th trucks and the 1/8th truggies. If there's any car here that doesn't really follow the "rules" so to speak, it's the RC18 because it's 4WD, and stadium trucks aren't 4WD, unless you include HPI's trucks, but i don't think those are legal to race at anything above the club level racing.

[t9dragon]

GS is releasing a 1/10 4wd Stadium Truck.

Does anyone know if the parts are interchangeable between the Half 8 and the Truggy?

[StevePond]

Yes, mostly. The shocks, and diffs (though I'm not 100-percent on the center diff), and suspension arms should be interchangable, although I'm pretty sure the parts needed to convert them will only come after they've made enough parts for production units.

[rckid11]

I am just going to get the diffs, susp. arms, and driveshafts. Then I would have an ultra wide stance buggy :) .

[WhoMe]

Man I cant wait for the East Coast Champs race..Kyosho is supposed to be giving out a few of these mini truggies to the top 3 in half 8 classes at that event.

[StevePond]

Let me clarify this a little bit because we just discussed it yesterday. The top three in the Mini-Inferno class will receive the first three production Mini Inferno ST trucks to arrive in the US. These will be arriving around Christmas time as of the last release estimate, so each driver will definately be getting one of these trucks as you mentioned, but not at the race. They will be delivered to their home as soon as they arrive in the US. There should be a couple production prototypes on display at the race if you want to check them out.

[Wosstifer]

Wheres the east cost champs race?

[WhoMe]

Pottbelly's Raceway in New Jersey. Thanks for the clarification Steve..still awsome prizes! www.pottbellysrc.com

[TimisTim]

Steve, KYOSHO NEEDS A METAL DIFF GEAR OPTION FOR THESE MINIS!! Sorry for the yelling but I have been having trouble keeping the plastic center diff gears from stripping on my 3s lipo brushless system. This seems like the only option to me. Also the only place I have been able to find these gears is from a store in Hong Kong. So it takes about 15 business days :( Other than this my buggy is awesome. I have beat it to death and it just keeps chugging away.

Plastic gears of the mini's size are just not able to handle the higher power brushless systems. I know you are just one man and Kyosho is a huge International company, but is there some petition for the gears that I can start? Its definetly going to be a money maker for Kyosho. Heck if I wanted I could build almost the whole buggy out of aluminum, so why not the gears. I have seen the ball diff conversion, but am not sure if that would help enough so I have been reluctant to drop the $20 on it.

[Kmot]

Steve Pond of Kyosho let me drive the new Mini Inferno ST today on their test track at the iHobby show. The truck is quite an excellent handling mini and the suspension was amazingly active for such a small and light truck.

[t9dragon]

Steve, KYOSHO NEEDS A METAL DIFF GEAR OPTION FOR THESE MINIS!! Sorry for the yelling but I have been having trouble keeping the plastic center diff gears from stripping on my 3s lipo brushless system. This seems like the only option to me. Also the only place I have been able to find these gears is from a store in Hong Kong. So it takes about 15 business days :( Other than this my buggy is awesome. I have beat it to death and it just keeps chugging away.

Plastic gears of the mini's size are just not able to handle the higher power brushless systems. I know you are just one man and Kyosho is a huge International company, but is there some petition for the gears that I can start? Its definetly going to be a money maker for Kyosho. Heck if I wanted I could build almost the whole buggy out of aluminum, so why not the gears. I have seen the ball diff conversion, but am not sure if that would help enough so I have been reluctant to drop the $20 on it.

Here is a link to a site in the states that carries Mini Inferno parts http://shop.tinyrc.com/home.php I have order from them and I usually get the parts in about 3-5 days.

[winning edge designs]

Trying to make the cool little 10 inch truck go 50 mph might bring about some durabilty issues, LOL........Jim

[Tim'sLosi]

Nice...too bad eclips instead of captured hinge pins.

[c0sie]

Trying to make the cool little 10 inch truck go 50 mph might bring about some durabilty issues, LOL........Jim

amen..some people just expect way to much sometimes.

[2fast2slow]

But can a mamba 8000kv fit, if not a good fit what can be done to make it a good fit

[2fast2slow]

is anyone out there

[c0sie]

if the ST isnt out yet....how can we tell you??

[TimisTim]

Well c0sie this question can be answered by simply looking at the model in the pictures. If you know anything about the Inferno buggy you will notice it runs the same motor and the chassis is the same around the mount and steering assembly. Now take into account how big the stock motor is and you can guess that a mamba will fit easily since they are only about 33mm long. I run a feigao 200 12L in my inferno and had to grind the extra metal at the end of the can to stop it from rubbing on the steering assembly, but the feigao motors are longer than the mambas.

Now with that said the mamba wont be the right motor for the job though. As has been said before the mambas are to small of a motor for a larger 4wd model of this sort. They just dont have the torque to get it moving and will tend to heat up to dangerous levels.

[StevePond]

Jeremy won the Potbelly's race with a Mamba. They even went with the smaller motor to make the power more controlable based on my understanding. I think the Mamba motor works fine, it just needs the right gearing.

[rckid11]

The Mamba can heat up quite a bit in a mini inferno. You need heatsinks and/or a fan.

[TimJohnson]

A Mamba will fit in the ST. You will get excesive heat if you use the High KV motor. the higher the KV the least amout of torq. The lower the KV the more torq, creating less heat. But a small fan is still a good thing to have reguardless of what KV motor you want to use.

[metalry101]

Let me clarify this a little bit because we just discussed it yesterday. The top three in the Mini-Inferno class will receive the first three production Mini Inferno ST trucks to arrive in the US. These will be arriving around Christmas time as of the last release estimate, so each driver will definately be getting one of these trucks as you mentioned, but not at the race. They will be delivered to their home as soon as they arrive in the US. There should be a couple production prototypes on display at the race if you want to check them out.
Steve, I've got a few buddies who are trying to get a 1/18 4WD class going at our local track with their Mini Infernos. They both say that their Infernos are super-dialed and that they love them (one of them even raced it in stock buggy since his XXX-BK2 was broken; he was running in 3rd until the battery dumped). Anyways...the point is that I want to go race with them, and I think this is the rig to have. It looks great, and if the buggy drives like a dream (after some oil filled shocks, a motor upgrade, and a rechargable battery), I assume that the truggy should be just as good. I'm a truck kind of guy rather than a buggy kind of guy, so I want one of these. Any further word on when they'll be available here?

[StevePond]

Sorry Metalry101, I haven't looked in on this thread for a while. Let me check to see the expected delivery date and I'll post it as soon as I have more solid information.

[t9dragon]

I found this on the Kyosho America website.

Street Price - $199.99
Available - January '06

[metalry101]

I found this on the Kyosho America website.

Street Price - $199.99
Available - January '06
Damn...I want one of these bad boys.

[t9dragon]

Here is some more info & pics.

1/16 R/C Electric Powered Mini Stadium Truck Half-Eight Series
Mini Inferno ST ReadySet
No.30122TF(Tiger Flare)/ No.30122GS(G-Stripe)

http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/half8/mini_inferno_st_ready/mini_inferno_st/img/01.jpg


*Photograph shows Tiger Flare (prototype).

The World Championship winning Inferno's DNA runs thick in this half-eight stadium truck!

The impressive performance of the half-eight series is extended to
stadium truck racing with the addition of long suspension arms and
trucking tires in the form of the "Mini-Inferno ST" to deliver a truck racing experience no like no other. The amazing power of the 1/8 World Championship machine is condensed into half its size (1/16). Tough enough to take on any terrain from dry riverbeds to open fields, the new design compact 4-bevel closed-case differential gears can handle the loads from the big tires. Also, just add different viscosity diff grease (sold separately) to make subtle adjustments to diff tension and running characteristics. Only the half-eight can deliver the optimal combination of light-hearted enjoyment with serious racing performance. Experience it now for yourself!

http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/half8/mini_inferno_st_ready/mini_inferno_st/img/ready.jpg

*Photograph shows G-Stripe
(prototype).


ReadySet Contents

Factory-assembled chassis with installed R/C Unit
Painted body complete with markings.
KT-3 wheel-type transmitter
Two different front hubs for choice of settings.
Three varieties of rear lower suspension holders for different toe-angle settings.
* AA-size X 8 alkaline batteries for transmitter, AAA-size Ni-MH batteries are sold separately.

http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/half8/mini_inferno_st_ready/mini_inferno_st/img/02-e.jpg



Long span suspension arms produce extended suspension stroke so you can get off the beaten path whenever you like.

http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/half8/mini_inferno_st_ready/mini_inferno_st/img/04.jpg

Equipped with Special Oil Shock for long span sus arm, and big tyres.

http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/half8/mini_inferno_st_ready/mini_inferno_st/img/05-e.jpg

http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/half8/mini_inferno_st_ready/mini_inferno_st/img/06-e.jpg

Equipped with closed-case differential that includes 4 high-strength
bevel gears to handle the heavy loads of the big tires. Add diff grease (sold separately) for a variety of settings and driving characteristics.


http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/half8/mini_inferno_st_ready/mini_inferno_st/img/03.jpg

Large diameter rubber tires with fitted inner sponges on special wheels deliver awesome rough road performance.


The essence of the powerful 1/8 Inferno MP777 has been condensed into this 1/16 size chassis and modified for optimum stadium truck performance.
Just load the batteries into this ReadySet and you can hit the dirt fast.
Six AA-sized Nickel Metal Hydride batteries on the chassis produce long run times of more than 30 minutes.
High rigidity shock stays and oil shocks provide excellent damping effect and are standard equipment.
Equipped with slipper gear to protect drive system from shocks.
Ultra efficient drive train is fitted with a total of 20 ball bearings
throughout with two ball bearings on each wheel.
4-wheel independent double-wishbone suspension boasts deep stroke suspension.
Features multi-point setting and parts for adjustment. <Spring tension, chassis height, front caster and rear toe-in can be adjusted with parts included in kit>
Features internal speed control amp with brake and reverse function.
Up to 12 cars can be run in the same race! Take your mates on in big tire stadium truck racing action!
Wide range of optional parts is available so your machine can evolve with your skill for even more fun and performance.
* CAUTION: Do not run your R/C car in a prohibited or dangerous area.




Chassis Technical Data
Length 260mm
Width 215mm
Height 80mm(Not including body mounts)
Ground Clearance 25mm
Wheelbase 180mm
Tread (F & R) 175mm
Tires (F & R) Φ 74 x 36mm
Gear Ratio 12.6:1
Weight 930g (approx.)
Motor 380-class

[metalry101]

Sweet. I'll be picking up a yellow one as soon as they're available.

[t9dragon]

Hey Steve,

Do you know where I can get the Mini Inferno ST? I would prefer to by from somebody in the US.

[StevePond]

They will be here on Tuesday! They will start to go out to hobby shops then.

[t9dragon]

I'm located in Portland, Oregon. Do you know of any local hobby stores that will have them in stock?

[StevePond]

Island Hobbies in Portland is an active dealer. Contact them and I'm sure they can put an order in for you.

[RespirologyRC]

Steve I've been considering buying one of these, but am reluctant because of parts availability. I would consider buying one but it doesn't seem that places like tower or stormerhobbies support them; why is this? Also any chances of metal diff gears??

[metalry101]

Steve I've been considering buying one of these, but am reluctant because of parts availability. I would consider buying one but it doesn't seem that places like tower or stormerhobbies support them; why is this? Also any chances of metal diff gears??
Tower doesn't carry Kyosho any more because they suck and they screwed Kyosho in the past. Any decent hobby shop should be able to get Kyosho's products from either Kyosho direct, or through HRP.

[fantomas]

I have mine coming from way of hong kong :D

Anyone know if the buggy version shocks, and knuckles are the same size as the truggy??

[StevePond]

Too bad, you can get them here now. ;)

[schenck77]

I haven't seen any here. I was tempted to order one from ebay coming from hong kong too.

[fantomas]

I havent seen any either.. My LHS cant get thier hands on any and I checked ultimatehobbies.com.... can you give us a link?

[StevePond]

Call Ultimate Hobbies. They already have them or will have them by Thursday. They don't have everything on their website. They just arrrived here and should be in hobby shops this week.

[TimisTim]

Any comment on the aluminum diff gears Steve? I haven't had any problems with the center diff since I added some aluminum bits to help with chassis flex but the extra stress has apparently been pushed to the front and rear diffs. I am going through one or the other every other week.

If not.......the ST's diffs look larger, could they be swapped to the buggy?

[StevePond]

I'm not familiar with any aluminum diff gears. The new differentials from the truck will fit in the buggy.

[RespirologyRC]

I'm glad I finished reading the last few posts. I live in the Northeast of the USA, and can't find a Hobby shop near me that sells them. But Steve you mention Ultimate Hobbies, their in CA, I might as well order the truck from Hong Kong.

[StevePond]

I mentioned that someone else should CALL Ultimate because they said they couldn't find it on their website. There are plenty of shops in the Northeast that will have them as well, like Bruckner and RC Madness, but if you want to order it from China, knock yourself out. ;)

[thedoc329]

hey steve, i placed 2nd behind jeremy at the potbelly's race and would like to cash in this certificate. i cant seem to find reagan's card so can you shoot me an email at thedoc329@yahoo.com ? thanks!

[StevePond]

Sure! Thanks for reminding me.

[Mini-TBasher55]

I'm not really into the whole Truggy thing, but I have got to admit that this thing is cool. Theres not much cooler than a miniture truggy! I don't plan on getting one, but it looks pretty sweet!

[hardadz]

Steve
We have supported the Kyosho line pretty well with the ZX5 and parts backup. Those looking for these can contact us at www.evolutionhobbies.com as we will be talking with Tim at Kyosho America about getting these in with the parts to support them. Just have to wait until after next week.

[TimisTim]

@Steve.......I was wondering if there was any plans to produce a metal diff gear option for these mini's? There would be a huge market for them from what I understand. Maybe you could schmooze a tech or engineer.

[StevePond]

I don't know if there are immediate plans, but the truck diffs are now available, which are sealed and can be filled with silicone fluid like the 1/8 diffs.

[t9dragon]

I don't know if there are immediate plans, but the truck diffs are now available, which are sealed and can be filled with silicone fluid like the 1/8 diffs.

Will the diffs fit directly into the Mini-Inferno buggy?

[powerram2500]

yes the diffs are a direct interchangable fit. i put them in my mini inferno, so much smoother...

[TimisTim]

Dang all these parts to upgrade! WOOT post 1000 for me WOOT

[metalry101]

These truggies are crazy sweet lookin. I can't wait to pick one up and rail it around the track.

[inet-projects]

Yo Guys,

This thread died, How did you get on with them, Do they really make the mark, My local store has them at 50% off so i was going to pick one up if it was good, it will be my first offroader, usually use Track Xrays, but want something for the dirt and Jumps..... :-)

Cheers

DC

[StevePond]

FYI - all the metal gears of the Nitro Mini Inferno 09 will fit this and the electric buggy. ;)

[Buggyracer28]

have they made a nitro version? i might consider it then...

[TimJohnson]

LOL...There is a nitro version of the buggy coming out November 1st. The ST parts will work on this buggy....LOL

[Buggyracer28]

well i forgot to change my name from my brothers name, we switch comps often, i prolly should have just asked him lol

[TTRS3kid]

see this is my real name ch3wb account and brain :huh:

[uaerc]

I got this truggy last week and was very disappointed with the speed on stock setup and Energizer 9V std 6 pack.
The stock motor does not have enough power to push it, since the truggy is pretty much heavier than the half 8.
I would suggest that anyone getting into this would want to look at a definate Motor Hopup to brushless atleast if not NITRO !! ;)
my disappointment made me give it away to my kid bro..... and i ordered myself the inferno .o9!!

[Rtsbasic]

Just how much power do you think you can get out of AA's? Not a great deal. Spending $20 on a proper battery using quality cells would have improved performance a lot I'm willing to bet.

[t9dragon]

I got this truggy last week and was very disappointed with the speed on stock setup and Energizer 9V std 6 pack.
The stock motor does not have enough power to push it, since the truggy is pretty much heavier than the half 8.
I would suggest that anyone getting into this would want to look at a definate Motor Hopup to brushless atleast if not NITRO !! ;)
my disappointment made me give it away to my kid bro..... and i ordered myself the inferno .o9!!


The only difference between the Half 8 & ST are the diffs, longer arms, axles, body and wheels. So I'm not sure how you come up with the idea that the ST is heavier than the Half 8. I have both and there isn't much of a difference in the weight. The biggest difference between them is the ST has diffs like a 1/8 buggy and the Half 8 doesn't.

[uaerc]

The only difference between the Half 8 & ST are the diffs, longer arms, axles, body and wheels. So I'm not sure how you come up with the idea that the ST is heavier than the Half 8. I have both and there isn't much of a difference in the weight. The biggest difference between them is the ST has diffs like a 1/8 buggy and the Half 8 doesn't.


Dude....The ST weighs in at 930Grams and the Inferno at 800Grams comparatively thats almost 130 Grams heavier which means that the same motor would be pushing that much more weight logically it wont go faster than the buggy.....I didnt come up with this....

All i am saying is that if you need this buggy to run you need a high torque motor. so If u have got any good combo's in mind let me know.

RTSBASIC

Energizer Alkalines are 1.5V a piece. so a 6 pack gives u 9 Volts
NIMH packs give u 1.2V a piece therefore it gives u only 7.2V........

I agree that u need to get good packs but there is definately more punch in the energizer packs...try it ! you would know what i am talking about.

Moreover i am waiting for a li po 3 cell pack to be made for this.....

[uaerc]

Overall Difference in the size and weight as per the Kyosho Website.

Chassis Technical Data ... Inferno ST
Length 260mm
Width 215mm
Height 80mm(Not including body mounts)
Ground Clearance 25mm
Wheelbase 180mm
Tread (F & R) 175mm
Tires (F & R) Φ 74 x 36mm
Gear Ratio 12.6:1
Weight 930g (approx.)
Motor 380-class

Inferno
Chassis Technical Data
Length 270mm
Width 173mm
Height 100mm
Weight 800g (approx.)
Wheelbase 176mm
Ground Clearance 15-25mm
Tread (F/R) 148mm
Tire (F/R) φ64 x 25mm
Gear Ratio 10.8:1
Motor 380-Class

[TimJohnson]

Dude....The ST weighs in at 930Grams and the Inferno at 800Grams comparatively thats almost 130 Grams heavier which means that the same motor would be pushing that much more weight logically it wont go faster than the buggy.....I didnt come up with this....

All i am saying is that if you need this buggy to run you need a high torque motor. so If u have got any good combo's in mind let me know.

.....

The ST will go faster, because of the taller tires, or at least match the buggy speed.

If yiou go brushless, do not go hi KV. Go with like the Tekin 6500 or the mamba 5600. The Higher the RPM, the less torque you will have and the hotter the motor will get.

[TypeR 126]

Moreover i am waiting for a li po 3 cell pack to be made for this.....

You can already get 11.1V LiPo saddle packs for the Inferno's.

[Philly's Finest]

RTSBASIC

Energizer Alkalines are 1.5V a piece. so a 6 pack gives u 9 Volts
NIMH packs give u 1.2V a piece therefore it gives u only 7.2V........

I agree that u need to get good packs but there is definately more punch in the energizer packs...try it ! you would know what i am talking about.

Moreover i am waiting for a li po 3 cell pack to be made for this.....

Those alkalines might give decent punch for a minute or so but then they start to dump. A pack made out of good cells like ib1400's would have probably the same amount of punch and it would last considerably longer then the alkies. Believe me dude, if those alkalines were SO great hobbyist would be using them!

While I don't own a ST I know there are plenty of guys running 3c lipo packs. Try doing some homework before getting pithy with people.

[winning edge designs]

How is the durability of the truck vs the buggy? gears, etc. My son wants one, so I figured you guys would know!


....Jim

[t9dragon]

I would get the Mini Inferno ST. The diff gears are updated.