Better Motor.....?

[GuyIsDamGood]

I plan on getting a 13-Turn Motor.

I`m thinking about getting the 13x2-Turn Reedy Ti Worlds Edition Motor -or- the Orion Revolution 13x2-Turn Motor / the Peak Vantage 13-x2-Turn.

Which is the Better Motor?

Tell me the Facts and Your Opinions about these motors.

Thanks

Take Care.

[TRF TT-01]

The Team Orion V2 motors are the same as the Peak Vantage. It's proof that the V2 motor are better than other motor as it has won many titles. Also, are you going to change the brush this time?? I have the Tamiya Transpeed MS 9T which is a Team Orion V2 motor. I find it hard to solder the wires on as the solder tab is at an angle. The endurance brush for the V2 last very long. Also, which car are you using it on???

[GuyIsDamGood]

Hey TRF TT-01.
You have a point. The Orion/Peak V2 Motors have helped racers win races.
But I`m NOT a Wire Soldering guy.
-With the Orion/Peak V2 Motors; I`ll have to solder the wires to it.
-With the Reedy Motor; I can use the Trinity No Solder Motor Leads(I use them on My Peak Dynasty).

I plan on using the 13-Turn Motors on My TT-01 and TB Evo 4.
I really don`t plan on changing any Brushes.....(I might have to because each motor costs $70.00.....Ha Ha! I don`t want to waste money.).

Take Care.

[GuyIsDamGood]

Between the Reedy Ti Worlds Edition Motor and the Orion/Peak V2 Motor;.....Which motor is Faster?

I need to know this info before I make a purchase.

Thanks

Take Care.

[TRF TT-01]

Both of them are fast! It has beeen proofed that V2 are better. But if you don't like soldering, the Reedy might suit you better. You still need to solder the brush on the Reedy when you plan to change the brush, but I believe it's solder in the factory. If you absolotely hate soldering, stick with the motor that comes with the wire soldered and eyelid. Soldering isn't that hard, no one ever taught me and I learned it myself.

[TEM]

Hey, I remember you!.. For a guy who would never cut a comm or change brushes, it's not going to matter. Cause after a few runs, they will all feel the same! The V endbell is suppose to be easier on the comm, but that won't save you. You might benefit from using your money to buy a few cheaper mods if you still decide not to maintain your motors right. At 70dollars a motor, why not invest a little more and go brushless and virtually no maintenance!

[GuyIsDamGood]

Thanks TRF TT-01 and TEM.

The Reedy Ti Worlds Edition Motor Brushes come Pre-Soldered.
-How long(how many Runs) will those Brushes last?

TEM; you have a point. $70.00 for 1 Motor is alot of money(somewhat).
Going Brushless sounds good but I`m Not ready for it yet. . . . .I`ve thought about it.
-I want to see some Brushed Motor Speed.....Ha Ha!

I`ve killed 1 Motor so far(a Tamiya Super Stock TZ Motor). The Commutator is burnt and the brushes are really short.....it`s dead. So I took the motor apart just to keep some parts for spares. I`m Not Cutting any Commutators.

Take Care.

[GuyIsDamGood]

I`m not rich; but if you`re into R.C. you`ll going to Spend Money.
If you want the Good Stuff for your R.C. Car; You`ll Buy It.....Ha Ha!

Take Care.

[RT76]

High Velocity builds a super fast and affordable motor. PM for details

[TEM]

Don't think the issue with this guy is buying motors. I'm trying to convince him he should not skimp on maintenance! I'm a pretty busy man, but I'll find time to do things right!

[GuyIsDamGood]

I hear you TEM.
Sometimes I think about keeping - up the motors I have/plan on getting.
I`m a busy man also; I`m a Father of 6 and I have 2 Jobs. But sometimes it`s just Easier to get a New motor.

But how long(how many runs)will the Reedy Ti Worlds Edition Motor Brushes last?
-I need to know that info.....if anyone knows.

Thanks

Take Care.

[Cain]

I beleive the Ti is using 766 actron brushes. These depending on the motor will last a few runs. Nothing like the Trinity XXX or the Reedy Plutonium brushes. Main reason I went with the Trinity Cobalt as the brushes don't burn and they last a long time.

Honestly, if you are dead set against any motor maintenance, I think you should really look into brushless.

[brc358]

Being new the elect. scene, <I did ask this in another forum> I am looking for a motor that will produce the best top end for a T C 4. Right now I am using an Orion 9 turn, but with only a stick pack battery.

thanks

[metalry101]

I agree with the guys that say go brushless. If you're looking for a fast BL setup that's not TOO fast, go for the Novak. It's reliable, plenty fast, and fairly inexpensive. It really does sound like a MUCH, MUCH better setup for you. You'd be spending 70 dollars on a motor that you're just going to burn up, and while it may take a while to burn up, you'll notice a performance decrease after about 10 runs I'd guess. BL motors on the other hand don't start to decrease in performance so drastically or so suddenly because they don't need the maintenance. Trust us...you want BL.

[brc358]

can you recommend a motor, and a set of batteries. Is there much diff. in performance from a stick battery compared to matched batteries?


thanks again

[metalry101]

can you recommend a motor, and a set of batteries. Is there much diff. in performance from a stick battery compared to matched batteries?


thanks again
For what kind of vehicle? What's your budget? What's your other equipment (specifically, what ESC do you run)?

[brc358]

t c 4 quantum leap esc. right now it has an Orion 9 turn, and I am looking for more top speed
No budget, just want the best
The car is quick for an elect. car, but I would like to have more top end

thanks

[metalry101]

A 9 turn should have INSANE top end, like easy 40 mph kind of top end. If yours doesn't, you might try playing with your gearing a little. You might also try a motor with a higher wind. A 9x3 will be noticably stronger higher in the rev range than a 9x2. The tradeoff is low end power. The 9x2 will peak a little earlier in the powerband.

Also, you might try better batteries. A 9 turn at WOT is going to draw a LOT of amps. Cheap packs simply can't handle that kind of load. They have too much internal resistance to be discharged at a fast rate with anything resembling efficiency. This resistance creates heat and lowers the amount of volts the pack is able to supply to the motor. This creates a lower top speed (voltage= rpms= speed). The high internal resistance means your motor will be very sluggish to respond, making it feel less powerful and slower.

I'm guessing that your batteries are your problem. What are you running?

[brc358]

I am running just a 3000 mh stick pack, and was told that if I went to a matched set,I would see an improvement. Being that most of my cars are nitro, and the shops around here sell more than they know, I am learning on my own as far as what equip. to use. You are right though, the 9 turn has very quick acceleration, and the top end for an elect. car to me is pretty good. But like I was saying, this is my first elect. car,and not knowing what to expect, I was not sure how much power or top end the car would put out. I love the t c 4, and would not mind having more elect. cars, but right now, I have over $12,000 in nitro alone, and dont know if I should start switching some of my cars over to nitro. Of course I will take a huge loss money wise, but I would like to know what to expect before I start selling the nitro equip.

[brc358]

I am running just a 3000 mh stick pack, and was told that if I went to a matched set,I would see an improvement. Being that most of my cars are nitro, and the shops around here sell more than they know, I am learning on my own as far as what equip. to use. You are right though, the 9 turn has very quick acceleration, and the top end for an elect. car to me is pretty good. But like I was saying, this is my first elect. car,and not knowing what to expect, I was not sure how much power or top end the car would put out. I love the t c 4, and would not mind having more elect. cars, but right now, I have over $12,000 in nitro alone, and dont know if I should start switching some of my cars over from nitro. Of course I will take a huge loss money wise, but I would like to know what to expect before I start selling the nitro equip.

[metalry101]

3000 stick packs generally aren't bad packs, but a 9 turn is a lot of motor for a generic pack. A matched pack wouldn't be a bad idea. I'd suggest something such as this. (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCZV9&P=ML)

That's still fairly inexpensive, so you don't go broke (always a bonus), and your acceleration, top speed, and run time should all be noticeably better with that, or something like it. GP3300's are rockin' good cells, and SMC is an excellent company.

[GuyIsDamGood]

Thanks guys.

Brushless.....?
I`ve thought about going Brushless. But First I want to try a Faster Brushed Motor.

For now I`m going No Faster than 13-Turns.


I called Reedy/Associated yesterday to find out how many runs will the Brushes last in the Reedy Ti Worlds Edition Motor.
-They said the Brushes should last about 11 Runs.
(I`m only using 1900mah Batteries. . . . .I think I need more power.)

Thanks

Take Care.

[highroller]

First find the right gearing to suit that that motor, try using the right final drive ratio (see the associated website for the gearing ranges) or your vehicles manual for recommendations. It's always good to have a variety of pinions and a couple of spur gears to be able to factor the motors powers to the conditions it being used in.

There are three basic motors types TOP with the Orion/Peak name, EPIC sold by Trinity and Yokomo sold by Reedy. Each brand is neither faster, nor better from a bashing standpoint but for certain experienced racers on brand produces the better overal results than another brand, some are personal preferences.

It depends on the condition of the cells, cells that are started to go bad will also have some affect on how the motor works. Cells may be on the decline so only able to put out voltage for a short while, and if the gearing was off by a tooth or more that would hinder seeing any change. Unless you are racing seriously I would not bother increasing timing, running high silver brushes (Reedy 732 or 730) with Trinity Purple springs. The Reedy Copper Head springs are sometimes enough tension but generally aren't - they may allow the brushes to bounce too much and couple with the stock 738 or 737 brush leads to excessive wear which may be another of your problems.

Something like the GP3300 should give you the needed runtime and voltage. If this is for racing I wouldn't purchase too many now, wait until the higher MAH become legal or get the GP3700 or IB3800 if you aren't racing but want some added runtime.

[brc358]

highroller, again thanks for the infor. I was not sure if I needed to go with matched cells to get the best performance or not. I might wait until the GP3700 or the IB3800 are leagal, try them, and then see how the car performs.I am really learning a lot from this forum, and the tips really do help.So far I am very happy with the TC4, and starting to get into the fine tuning side can be fun. With so many way to set up a car, it is interesting to watch the same type of car perform completley different than your own. Thanks again for your help BC

[highroller]

For club level use or bashing you can get by with regular cells for stock racing or the matched stick packs, rebuilding them into side by side packs.
But depending on the type of modified racing you may only need matched cells with high runtime and average voltage 1.16area but in oval you want both. In stock oval and 19turn you want the highest voltage.

Only area where runtime still may be an issue is in mod oval even with the 3600 IB and Sanyo I tried in practicing (race setup) I was still prone to be on the edge of dumping if the setup is a bit too aggressive. Using a low turn motor like a 7x2 with more than 24 degrees of timing showed a bit hit right at the 3:52 to 3:56 area.

Yes, you'd be surprised at what just changing the shocks (oil/spring rate can do) or switching tire compounds, even adding a smaller degree of caster or camber can make a work of difference. Even spending the extra time during assembly test fitting parts, even polishing metal parts, reshimming parts can make a world of difference in how the vehicles feels and works.

[GuyIsDamGood]

The Reedy Ti Worlds Edition Motor has 766 Actron Brushes.

I was thinking about putting the Green and Purple Springs from the Peak Dynasty 19-Turn Motor on the 13-Turn Reedy Ti Worlds Edition Motor.
-Is that a Good Idea?

Thanks

Take Care.