"Tire Glue" CA - worth it ?

[jeepinator]

Hey I just bought some of this CA supposedly made just for gluing tires. I was very skeptical at first (hey, I was born skeptical), but this stuff is cool. It is black so you can actually see it, and it cures really slow. This gives you time to make it all nice and round.
Well, I just thought I would pass along that I think it is worth the extra half a buck.

BTW, I tried the generic brand (you know has your hobby shop title on it ;) ). I am not sure I would pay a full extra buck for the Pro-Line stuff. I mean CA is CA right ? Oh wait, I guess it isn't :p

[ammoace]

Have you used the thick CA for gluing tires? I have medium and thin and use the medium on my tires because the thin sets too fast. The medium actually sets too fast too but I haven't gotten the thick yet. I was just wondering if the "tire" CA was better then Thick CA. I can't seem to get the hang of gluing tires on without them being less then perfect. I always seem to have one spot on the tires that dries before I can get it seated.
And to answer your the question in the subject anything to make gluing tires on easier is worth it to me.
AMMOACE

[ 05-30-2001: Message edited by: ammoace ]

[jeepinator]

Yes, I like the thick stuff way better. The "tire glue" is very thick. Way thicker than the normal thick stuff. Hehe that sounds funny.
The way I do tires (wow this may get long):
1) Fully mount and seat the rubber on the wheel
2) Get it all nice looking and even
3) Unseat the OUTSIDE bead and force it inward on the wheel, exposing the channel that the tire beads seats into. I do this all the way around the wheel.
4) Apply glue to the bead channel in a zig-zag fashion (only if you are using thick stuff. If you are using thin, god be with you). I do this all the way around.
5) Pull the rubber back to the outside of the wheel and lock the bead into the channel in slow little "pinch and pull" movements. When you "pinch and pull" do so with as little pulling as possible to keep from deforming the roundness of the rubber.
6) Check for good seating and immediately pull back the rubber on the INSIDE of the wheel. This helps even out and seat the outside (more important to have perfect) even more. At this point I may wait a minute or so to allow outside to cure/dry.
7) Repeat steps 4 and 5 for the inside bead
8) After it all looks cured I inspect for unseated and or seperated spots. I then drip the very thin stuff in there and kinda let it seep around the edges by tilting the wheel in a circular fashion. I keep doing this until the thin stuff is dry. Do this for both sides.

Anyway, that is it. I have been getting pretty good lately. I saw a video of masami doing it (heheh, gluing tires that is). He was crazy. He was like talking, waiving, and looking at the camera, the whole time gluing tires. Then, at the end, he held up the tire to the camera for inspection. It was perfect ! I hate that guy ;)

How does everyone else do it ?
What kind of glue do you use ?

[ 05-30-2001: Message edited by: jeepinator ]

[illbreakit]

I personaly;
1 mount my rubber
2 Make sure the beads are seated fully
3 Put Ty-raps around the outside of the tire, above the bead on the inner and outer side, to hold the bead on concentricly (whew :eek: big word)
4 Gently pull back the bead in one spot and apply a small quantity of thin CA
5 Slowly work the CA around the tire by tilting and pulling the bead as I go. Kinda making a channel for it to follow
6 When I let the bead seat and no CA comes out, I apply some more. Do this until the completely around the tire. While your pulling the bead back, you can see if it is getting covered with CA if it looks wet.
7 When the bead id cured, I then run a small amount around the rim/tire joint and let it seep in the edges and coat the connection like jeepinator does
8 Repeat steps 4 thru 7 on next tire.

This way takes me about an hour for four tires with Dynamite thin CA. I allways gine them good time to cure before moving on (I hate having a step-pin attached to my index figner. Looka kinda silly at the mall LOL)
Doing tires this way I have never lost a bead yet, knock on wood, and they come off fairly easy if you boil them for an hour

Thats my $1.75

[Railman]

That Dynamite thin is THE ca! I've tried a lot of other glues, but the Dynamite seems to just be more potent & always fresh. Works well for our tires, although I havn't tried Jeeps glue. First I cut inside corner off the foam to give clearance for the tire bead to fit the rim. Then put the foam in the tire & pull over the rim. Next I work the tire a bit to seat the tire, & put a
rubberband over tire, directly over bead. Then I spot glue in a diag pattern, & come back to fill in the rest of the way. I only wish I was as good at it as my 17 year old! He's fast & perfect every time! On some rims it's good to remove the inner rim bead to get the tire bead to seat easier. Just my $.000,000,02, (save'n it!)

[Kevin_366]

I just like to use hot glue. lol :D
(put it on in sections)

[andy51289]

The glue that jeepinator was talking about is a generic hobby store brand of CA glue. It has a good amount of rubber (the black stuff) mixed into the glue. This gives the tire a "seamless" look and will stretch instead of break if you pull on it. I have about 3 bottles of it, and I'd say that it works great!

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[TeamSlacker]

What? we're supposed to glue tires on? lol

[gubbs3]

I like to use the thin stuff because it flows everywhere. But everywhere is also a problem because it tends to run over the sidewall. Medium is good but the think stuff just doesn't flow around the bead, it kind of pushes out a drop when you push the bead back into place once you glue it. Go medium.

[jeepinator]

Wow, this is a cool topic. Who came up with it anyway ? :p
I read tie wrap thing Mr. illbreakit mentioned. That sounds pretty cool. I have done something with rubber bands, only I put the bands on after I am done gluing just to make sure the bead seats well.
And, I forgot about trimming the foam like Mr. Railman mentioned. Those are great tips.
Has anyone been so bold as to cut a section of of their tires to make them fit tighter ?
Heh, I did. It turned out pretty cool. A buddy just looked at me like I was bonkers. I should post a pic ...

cheers

[jeepinator]

http://www.theshreves.com/pics/weldedtire.jpg

[ 06-25-2001: Message edited by: jeepinator ]

[gubbs3]

Nice work! You're like Kinwald who always has to make his own custon tires.

I remember a good tip for gluing tires that I saw a few months ago:
Insead of using a large rubber band to hold down the bead, use tape, electrical, strapping etc. Just wrap the tape tightly around the tire as you would anything else but the tape won't slide off or move because it's stuck to the tire.

[1 Krazy Foo]

for glueing tires using the thin I put some in a syringe (made for insulin injections) then I use the glue-syringe to apply the glue to the bead without haveing to ruin the seat. at least thats the theory Im not too good at gluein tires, usually I und up with my hand glued to something :p Just a word of cation: if you try this, be VERY carefull not to prick your self with the needle!

[BadRacer]

Hey gubbs why use tape when you can use "Coban". If your an off-road racer then you know what im talking about. The nice colored stuff you use to wrap your motor in to keep dirt and other things from getting inside.

This works really good and your not wasting your tape and the Coban can be reused! Another thing is that this stuff comes in different sizes so you can cover the whole tires width. Cool idea huh?

Just thought id pop in and say a few little words. :D

BadRacer

[NervousXtian]

you know.. i'm prolly an idiot.. but i don't glue most of my tires..

i did on my touring car.. cuz it kept pullin them off when i'd drift.. but my t-maxx's aren't glued.. never even come close to causing a problem.. and i use it mostly on pavement.. and pull indo's and everything...

just my 1/2 cents

[jeepinator]

What's an indo ?
If it is cool, let me know how you do it !
Hmm... something new to try ;)

If you don't glue and it's working out for you, MORE POWER TO YOU !
Gluing is a sin we must all (umm, well OK, most of us) live with :(

[NitroJunky]

i **** at glueing tires i end up glueing my fingers to the tire!! do any of you have pictures on how you glue your tires like ste by step? i just bought a Hobby Tech tire gluer its a Jig type think i havent got it yet but ill let you know how it goes.

thanks

[steveaggie]

jeepinator: Actually the word is "endo" which is short for "end-over." I believe it came from the same bicycle term. It's where the back end goes over the front tires. Pitch-poling if you know sailing.

[jeepinator]

Ah, yes, thank you. I know "endo" ... duh, I was not thinking :)
Wow, do those have enough braking power to endo ? SWEEET !

[gubbs3]

Yea I'm familiar with "coban". When I broke my finger I used it to hold the splint on. I liked it because it would only stick to itself and not to my skin so I could take it off without having to replace the tape. It could work for tires but you might have trouble getting it to stay tight enough to hold the bead firmly in place. With tape, you can make it as tight or loose as you want.

[loki]

On the post-glue wrap tip, I recommend Saran Wrap. Just pull off a 18" sheet, fold it lengthwise twice, and wrap around tire!

Hey gubbs3, I just read your location info and realized you're from Coon Rapids. There's another poster (R/C Homie) from MN too. We should all hook up sometime and bash...

Loki

[DJ BlendeR]

I cant glue off-road tires, they came out very uneven, but my friend takes the black stuff and puts a healthy amount in the outside trench and seats the tire, once it has sit for about 5 min he puts the thin stuff around the outside then lets it sit and does the inside the same way.
The tie wrap thing works wonders for TC cars because you can tighten those suckers down nice and tight and it will keep your tire planted to the rim, then you put a healthy bead of the thin round the outside and let it cure then flip it over and do the inside the same way. I didnt read through all the posts so sorry if someone said this already.

[BadRacer]

Thats ture gubbs, but hey it works for me and my tires look perfect. Im going to try out the shrink wrap thing.

When i first started useing the coban to wrap my motor i started thinking about other things i could do with it....besides wraping broken fingers. So i go to thinking about some tires that i need to glue on to some new rims, didn't want to use the old Rubber Band thing because i just can't get it to work. And theres how i found another uses for the stuff.

Also the Coban i get is really strong, i can pull this stuff as tight as i want and stick down to the other end where it started and it stays till im really for it to come off. You just got to find the right stuff.

Later
BadRacer :cool:

[andy51289]

Some of the local racers get I think shrink wrapping tape that is very thin and wrap it around their freshly glued tires. Then they go out into the sun and let it shrink up. Remove the tape, and you've got a great tire!

[GT burner]

I find that shoe goo works great on off road tires and allows a ton of time for positioning. The stuff is great for repairing cracked bodies too!

[Nairb]

Team Losi Tread Lock is the best tire glue I've used so far, but I've never heard of this black stuff. What brand is it? It sounds like a great alternative.

My technique? I trim the outside & inside edges of the foam and put them in the tire. Next, I mount the tire on the rim and do my best to balance it out. For the gluing, I just pull a section away at a time and put a drop of the Losi glue in there and let it spread around as much as it can, and go on to the next section and do the same. The Losi glue doesn't cure instantly, so I have plenty of time to position the tire how I want, which is good. After a bead is glued, I wrap a rubber band around to hold it while it cures. This works great for me. Jeepinator's technique is interesting, but seems like overkill to me...especially when you consider how long race tires last anyway. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, though...

[nitroracer911]

jeep....

endo on a Street Bike is called a stoppie... not sure why anyone would care though.

As far as gluing tires.... two of my tires are OUT OF BALANCE... is this because i glued them wrong. It really drived me nuts seeing my car bounce like I have hydraulics installed on the thing.

Hey everybody bounce with me now... bounce with me know... err... sorry... got carried away. :rolleyes:

[jeepinator]

Dragging up another cool oldie !

[HumbleEagle487]

jeep I musta missed this post when it was satarted thanx for bringing it btt. With me I just glued my tires on the outside by mounting the tire then putting on rubber glove and then I'd jut pull the tire back from the bead and stuff some CA into it, I don't always get it in every single spot and sometimes it gets up in the side walls. But so far I havn't had any trouble with the tires coming off or being unbalanced. hmmm also looks like soon I'm gonna be able to see how they come off cause these tires are pretty well bald. Oh I also use my hobby shop brand and mine is clear.

[Serius Black]

Jeep - I had been using that black stuff for a while, but it didn't seem to hold up well for racing. I used it to glue my T-Maxx tires though, and it seems to work great. It had a tendency to crack on my race cars, though.
Something that I didn't see mentioned is that it's a very good idea to wash your new wheels and tires prior to gluing them, then scuff the tire bead and bead channel of the wheel. Any type of sandpaper should do the trick for scuffing. This gives the glue a clean, rough surface to adhere to, creating a stronger bond.
The only time I use thin CA anymore is if I'm gluing a set of tires at the track that I plan on using the same day. Otherwise, I use medium or thick, and let the tires sit for a day or two before using them.
The traction compounds I've been using seem to weaken the bond a bit, so I try to get a good solid bead all the way around the tire.
BTW - All of the rally guys were cutting down Pro-Line Holeshots last winter, I'm amazed at how well they held together. I don't think I saw any come apart.

[HumbleEagle487]

Hey do u guys think that I could fill the bead with ca glue and then quickly set the tire in it or would the glue dry to fast?

[rims']

i thought i'd do a kwik gloo on my tires by glooing em wit super glue the stuff that has ca in it and they held up fine to my surprise

[Kenro]

How do you trim the foam for off road truck tires? What do you use and if you cut it uneven will this make the wheel off balance? Do people balance off road tires?
Thanks

[jeepinator]

btt :D