Electric help!! project car.

[kAsH]

Hey guys im new to your forum but i totally fell in love as soon as i saw it. im also kinda new to R/C so i need a little help. you dont need to laugh i know the car i got is a toy (bought at toysRus) but i got challenged from an R/C buddy the other day. anyways i was wondering if you could take a look at my pics and tell me anyhitng i could do to make it faster. i dont race (well just with friends in parking lots) and i prefer street. i know that usually you cant really modify toy cars but when i opened this up i noticed how accesible the motor was. i dont know much about speed controlers, servo's or performance motors, but i am willing to learn and install if its possible.Do i need a speed control if i change the motor? i forgot to include a pic of the battery pack, but its a 9.6V nicd (the one that looks like 8 AA batteries wrapped in plastic ;) ) My car is made by Jada Toys and is a Dub City Escalade 1/12 scale.Plz tell me of any changes i can do to make this bad boy rock!
thx for your time. -kAsH-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/kash-Alp/DSC00002.jpg
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[TC3Racer]

You really can't do a whole lot with that car. The toy grade models make it really hard to do any upgrading. Usually i would just say "throw in a faster motor" but i dont know the size of the motor that is in that car or what its speed control can handle. I highly reccomend researching this hobby and looking into hooby-grade R/C cars. Trust me there are plenty that will blow the doors off of your friend :D .

[kAsH2]

i know i can jsut go out and buy one, but id really like to get this one goin, just for fun. consider it a project car,. anyways how do i find out what kinda motor i got in it and what kind i can upgrade to? also im not even sure if it has a speed control, cause it seems to only have one speed(for now) when i pull the trigger it just goes, it dosent go slower if i pull it less. i will throw in a ESC if i have to. anywas point to msg: how do i find out what kinda motor i got in it and what kind i can upgrade to? and if someone can help me identify the components in the vehical (the last pic i hope will be good enough to see everything) that would be alot of help. once again plz remember that this is jsut for fun, i dont want(for now) just to go out and buy a car that will do 30-40mph i am doin this casue i like experimenting and cause so many people are saying it cant be done. any help would be much appreciated. thx again :)

[insano]

Well, the reason people are saying it can't be done is because it just can't. People have tried this in the past and what youll find is that even IF you do find a better motor to put in it, and DO upgrade the speed control, then you will need new batteries, and then figure out how to integrate the speed control into the existing radio, or buy new radio equipment. Then once you get that far you will find that you will blow out the gearing in the car because you made it go too fast. Now after all that work, there is no way to replace it. It's just not worth the effort. Get a decent hobby grade car, you will be much happier, and you WILL be able to upgrade/customize it. Then it could be your project car.

[TC3Racer]

If you change one thing it will lead to another and it will become a whole chain. I assume it probably runs on AA's and if you upgrade to an ESC your going to have to run a 6 cell sub-C battery because thats what it is designed for. As far as a motor goes - you'll have to take that one out, determine its size and look for a replacement. If you do manage to get this far, throwing in a bigger motor will most likely fry that speed control in a couple runs (which is an MSC most likely).

If you do get this far you'll have another problem. The radio. the receiver in this car is not like the hobby grade kind and will not plug into an ESC like any other would.

Your best bet is probably to just throw in a bigger motor but dont plan on it lasting very long.

[kAsH2]

which componet is the speed controler? lol sry im just learning this stuff and not familar with all the gear yet. is it the green or brown chip board? like i said im not even sure if it has one, cause my car doesnt have variable speeds. you just pull the trigger and it goes. (doesnt go slower if you pull trigger less) ;) i think the brown one might just be for powering all the LED's it has (15 total) even if i can get away with just slappin in a bit more powerful motor mabye to get like 5-10 mph more outta her id be happy with that. you think that would be a possibility? i read that my car will currently do 20mph outta the box, but i never tested it yet. thx again.

[TC3Racer]

follow the motor wires and find out what they are connected to. That will be the speed control. Also, look for an antenna wire and find out with that is connected too - i'm curious as to where the receiver is.

Upgrading to an ESC really wont be possible. If you really want more speed and aren't worried about sacrificing the truck - find out the motor size and look for a faster motor.

[insano]

The reciever and speed control are probobly on the green board, with the reciever basically handling the speed control responsibilities. The only thing you can do is slap a new motor in which will take you from 5mph to 8mph. You are wasting your time!

[kAsH2]

LOL insano, mabye but im goin to have fun doin it, and isnt that the whole point or R/C?? anyways thank for all your help ill repost to let you guys know how i made out.
TC3Racer: the antenna and motor are both hooked up to the green board??? another question i have is there is 6 irratating screws that hold the body on and it takes a while to get it off, you pro's got any tips/tricks i can use to fasten the body on but can quickly be released??? thx again ;)

[Lapster]

kash... you dont happen to race at altoona raceway do you?

[kAsH2]

kash... you dont happen to race at altoona raceway do you?

actually ive never heard of it? i live in ontario Canada. is that even close to me. id love to check out some reaces if anybody knows any in the Barrie/toronto area.

[Lapster]

Ohhh... its in pennslyvania. Sorry, some guy showed up w/ the same car and was asking some questions like you.

[Farwar]

http://www.torontorc.com/main.html
Good to see a fellow canadian. ^ that's a website for a track in toronto I think. I don't know where it is because I don't live in Toronto but if you can check out the racing. It a lot of fun to watch and It will make you want to get into rc.

For the car, you could try to free up the drivetrain if you can (doubt it) or you you try taking away some plastic to make it lighter?

[kAsH2]

im not exactly sure what youmean by free up the drive train? if someone could explain that to me if it will help me it would be much appeciated. also i was talking to a guy at the local hobby shop and he said he thinks he has a motor that will do the trick for me. im think i might upgrade the gears to something a little stronger too. lol im starting to get obsessed with making my "toy" reach 30-40 mph. ive always ben one of those people who try the things that "cant be done". anyone got any tips/tricks for my body question i posted earlier?? ^
kAsH

[Farwar]

What I meant by freeing up the drivetrain was to see if things are binding and try to fix it so its free and smooth. I doubt you you do anything with the car but it was just a suggestion. Just buy a hobby grade RC!!. :D

[tadium54]

kash, where are you in ontario? im in the toronto area

[kAsH]

i live in Barrie, about 45 min north of T.O.

[tadium54]

find ayk_driver on these fourms. he from barrie too

[SerpentKing101]

If I were you, Kash, I would do some serious begging,chores,work,whatever and get yourself a nice budget hobby-grade car, like a Tamiya TT-01 or something similar. (beg for a Savage first though, you might get lucky :D ) a company called Pro-line does make spinner kits for street cars if that's your thing. And trust me, they are WAY better than the rumbling plastic things on your truck.
If you really must have your custom street machine, thats gonna require a LOT of work. The only thing you would end up keeping is that escalade shell, if that. You could hack on that chassis like a lumberjack then add your high-end electronics, but thats just too much work and money, especially if you have no know-how about custom chassis and what-not. once again, a hobby-grade car is the better buy.
I say go with the first option and end up with something like this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/KeltosJonn/EMAXX.jpg) on your shelf. It would run over your buddies R/C's and look good too! (just paint your body better than I did ;) )

[kAsH]

well i really do appreciate the help guyz, im im not trying to be rude, but ive always known i could just go out and buy one. i posted here to see if anyone could help me make this one work. whare theres a will theres a way! i will succeed and money isnt really an option. on the other hand, a guy i work with jsut found out i was into R/C and told me he had a Tamiya BullHead truck from 1990 he would sell me for like $100.00. is it worth it? says it runs great just needs new gears casue he thinks they are stripped after hitting a serious of huge jumps. should i buy it? i think it was one of the first trucks to have 4 wheel steering? anyways let me know if i should or not, but as for my toys R us escalade im determined to make it work, and nothing except my own failure i think will convince me otherwise. thx again. P.S. still nobody has no tips for me on how to keep my body on instead of screws?? hmmm, gotta be an eazier way...

[tadium54]

ya thats a pretty good deal.

if you're really that convinced about it, then do it. get a radio setup, esc, batteeries and motor. modify it so you can stick hobby grade stuff into it. without us being there to do it with you, the words will have to suffice for now. as for the body, proline makes the extended body posts. combine that with an maxx tower, and youll be in the go

[SerpentKing101]

for your body, get something like these (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXD246&P=M) and screw em on from the bottom of your chassis. youre going to have to put some holes through the body also, so make sure its lined up right.
then all you would have to do is take off these little clips instead of breaking out the screwdriver.

[thewarrenator]

ive completely changed a nikko 1/24 scale truck into a fast truck. so it can be done. if u want to go cheap then it cant be done but with a esc, receiver servo motor it can be done
first off you can use the motor in it but rip the wires off the circuit board and remove the circuit board completely. then with many mods and a little creativity mount a servo into the truck. use the wires that go to the motor and solder them into the esc's wire holes. and what i mean by esc is like for example a novak xrs or somethin, not the origional one. then connect everything together and it'll work. ill post some pics of my creation. if someone already said somethin about this or anything like that im sorry but im too lazy to read all the rest of the post.

[thewarrenator]

here they are there a little clutterd but hey it works!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/losircalltheway/nikko001.jpg
this pic show where the servo went, the servo arm and the post on the wheel were connectede by a strip of steel.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/losircalltheway/nikko002.jpg
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[thewarrenator]

yes there is ill post a video on how to put body posts on your truck...

[thewarrenator]

ok nevermind the video i took looked really bad so basicly you drill four holes big enough to fit long body posts into mount the two bodyposts in the right place and then you can just stick the body over the holes and have the body posts stick through. then secure it with coderpins. it would be just like the real trucks, like xxxt's, evaders, t4's, b4's, xxxs, and car or truck thats real like that

[thewarrenator]

ok couple of typos there...nevermind that post,
ok the video i took looked really bad so basicly you drill four holes into the body big enough to fit long body posts ( http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXN083&P=7 ) into, mount the bodyposts in the corrisponding spot on the chassis and then you can just stick the body over the holes and have the body posts stick through. then secure it with coderpins. it would be just like the real trucks, like xxxt's, evaders, t4's, b4's, xxxs, any car or truck thats real like that

[kAsH]

awsome thx, warrenator. finally someone who has had the same goal i have. im dont know if i can completly remove the chip board though, cause i think that is also the reciever? anyways, ive already started dismantaling everything, but i need to make a trip to the hobby store to pick up some parts. anyways, thx for your help.
Anyone eles out thare try something like this? id like to hear from you!

[kAsH]

Ok so i went back to the hobby store...lol.. Andthe guy told me a few things i could do that are possible for my car. 1st. im going to replace the wheel spacers, with these small bearing he has for sale (like $2.00 each) to reduce friction and make car run a little smoother,. 2nd he said i can change the pinion gear to a slightly larger one to increase top end speed (not to concerned with acceleration cause i dont race, just like to rip up the streets as fast as i can). and 3rd i emailed Jada Toys Tech support and asked them to send me the amperage the motor draws so the hobby store can hook me up with a motor that draws about the same but has a little more rpm to it. that way i wont have to worry about frying the chip that is in the vehical. sounds pretty simple and it should only cost me (depending on motor) about 30-50 bucks. what you guyz think? im hopeing to see some inprovements on performance. but im not gonna expect anyhting to extreme. Im prety good at reading wiring diagrams too, so im considering makeing a whole new chip, that is identical, just with higher rated componets. then i coiuld put in a higher amerage motor and it should work without any additional equipment. (ill try first idea first though. lol )