Novak Super Sport 4300 Brushless price drops $100!

[StevePond]

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/novak/ss4300_system.jpg

The list price for the #3006 Super Sport Stock Brushless System has been reduced by $100! The Stock system is ideal for entry-level hobbyists -- it requires virtually no maintenance, and offers longer run-times than higher-maintenance brushed systems. Now at an attractive lower price, everyone can enjoy the advantages of a brushless system!

For more information about this and other products, visit the Team Novak (http://www.teamnovak.com) website.

[Cotharyus]

Nice. Now it's almost affordable.

[4wdmt]

guys, how much was the original price before?

[gixxer]

Hope this helps everyone to jump onto the brushless wagon. Brushed motors will be the the thing of the past.

[ttweedle]

I think that LRP's new speedo that is compatible with novak motors is going to be the ticket, and reason to jump on the brushless bandwagon.

Edited - There's no reason you need to make the kind of comment that was deleted. The above is all you need to say. -Moderator

[torque5252]

Less than 2 bills to get into a brushless setup...nice...
:D

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGDP6&P=0

[synapse75]

Is it the exact same setup?? Were they really soaking us with an extra 100bux of margin??

[dhutch]

Hope this helps everyone to jump onto the brushless wagon. Brushed motors will be the the thing of the past.
Yeah, and that in its self will bring brushless down rapidly

[tallyrc]

when is the price of the mod version gonna drop and is this a sign of the faster one comming out..

[torque5252]

I don't know if that's a fair view of things. Novak was the first big name RC electronics company to push brushless technology forward. Did you see Trinity's ads begging us to not make their products obsolete? They knew the score then and that they were behind the curve. I believe what Novak is doing is capitolizing on the fact that they've made enough money and headway with Brushless, that they can now afford to offer us better technology at competetive prices. Believe me, they've spent a lot of up front money to bring us better products, and taken risks noone else would for years. No, I don't work for them. But I have never had even a single problem with a TON of products from them over the years.....later, torque

[NitroBoy24]

Too bad it's a sensored motor/esc...If they dropped that it might just be worth it, but if they are holding up as long as the SS5800 is I wouldn't spend $180 on it.

My .02 cents.

[SS Pede]

Why is sensored bad? Also, $180 may be well worth it, since Novak has apparently worked out all the bugs from their BL systems. At least, that is the case with the SS5800.

[1822]

Sensored motors are the best technology available. Anyone that tells you different has an agenda. There's a lot of people who make or own a sensorless motor that want you to believe its good because they have a personal stake in it, but the sensorless motors still buck quite a bit at low speed and have poor, inconsistent braking. They work well once they're moving along, but below 1/4 throttle they aren't as reliable and it gets much worse at lower speeds. I've had both and will put my money into a Novak or the new LRP rig before I spend more money on another sensorless system.

[NitroBoy24]

Sensored motors are the best technology available. Anyone that tells you different has an agenda. There's a lot of people who make or own a sensorless motor that want you to believe its good because they have a personal stake in it, but the sensorless motors still buck quite a bit at low speed and have poor, inconsistent braking. They work well once they're moving along, but below 1/4 throttle they aren't as reliable and it gets much worse at lower speeds. I've had both and will put my money into a Novak or the new LRP rig before I spend more money on another sensorless system.

I'm not really going to get into it, but ask Craps or the other guys racing Sensorless brushless motors how they do at low speeds..

And all of the rc plane brushless setups dont happen to be sensorless by coincidence. And the novak having really the only sensored brushless car setup says something too...

Whatever floats your boat.

[JohnSheridan]

Sensored motors are the best technology available. Anyone that tells you different has an agenda. There's a lot of people who make or own a sensorless motor that want you to believe its good because they have a personal stake in it, but the sensorless motors still buck quite a bit at low speed and have poor, inconsistent braking. They work well once they're moving along, but below 1/4 throttle they aren't as reliable and it gets much worse at lower speeds. I've had both and will put my money into a Novak or the new LRP rig before I spend more money on another sensorless system.

I'LL second that, racing sensorless is awful, its like having an on and off switch theres really no throttle curve on them, you would need to be at least half throttle to get it moving and once it does it goes off like a rocket and once you stick it back in neutral its just as fast getting to a standstill. Worst thing about sensorless is the cogging...YUKK YUKK YUKK... :mad:

[DaFF]

Well, sorry to burst you bubble, but you guys needs to get a new BL sensorless esc because if you ever try a Schulze U-Force, you will never see the need for sensored esc anymore.

You guys are talking about cheap, older previous generation sensored esc. Or improper setup with a mismatch between esc and motor.

I defy anyone to find any difference in feeling / low speed crawling / smooth acceleration between a U-Force and a brushed or BL sensored esc.

Not to say the braking is fully adjustable and no different than a brushed or sensored esc !

The U-force is the mother of all sensorless brushed esc and believe me, I have one, it is perfectly smooth and you can control and harness the power off all sensorless motor.

One, can also buy the U-Force PC link and adjust all and every parameter, thus this esc can fit any racer needs in fine adjustement and custom settings.

To top it all, this esc work with both BL sensorless AND brushed.

Of course, it doesn't come cheap ( around 300 US$ the piece ) but you get what you pay and with this esc comes the full power BL world.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the Novak are bad, in fact they are excellent... and even better now with the price drop !

I am just saying that the sensored can still not delivered as much power as the more expensive sensorless setup...

DFF

[drumr racer]

¿Would this mean it would take less money to get them repaired out of warranty? :)

[glassdoctor]

I think it's worth noting that the $100 drop is off the msrp. The actual in-store price drop is about $40. If someone already said this, sorry I missed it.

Oh, and the UForce is very smooth as DaFF said. They are about $280-290 in the US.

The problem with the Novak and LRP sensored is that motor choice is very limited. With common sensorless ones, you can pick from many different manufacturers, sizes, and types of motors.

Another cool thing about the Uforce, etc... is that they can run up to 12 cells or so. So you can have some really fast speed runs, or choose a mild wind motor matched with more volts, and have an efficient cool running setup., etc... possibilites....

I have a SS5800 and it's been very good. The 4300 combo for @$179 is a good deal if it suits what you want.

[synapse75]

"retail" price is based of the MSRP, so the retail price would be a 100 dollars less also. If it is not, they are doing the same thing novak has been doing.

[NitroBoy24]

Haha, all my sensorless homies came to back me up ;)

[ElectricThunder]

Believe it or not, sensored is actually in its baby steps at the moment, at least with novak from what I've seen/observed/read. Look at the Avoex setup. 4 pole sensored setup (for a car btw with the proper ESC). One helluva motor with unholy amounts of power. Sensored are now just starting to be tinkered with. Yes, sensorless brushless stuff is VERY powerful, but when you think about it, the novak motor itself has the same potential, it's just the ESC is holding it back, and you must take into consideration the different sorts of winds which yield different power, torque, and rpm (delta and star I believe it is). In a few more years, sensored will probably be as powerful, if not more powerful than sensorless with enough time, research, and effort. But for right now, sensolress is the way to go for brute power. Anywho, back on topic.

I think it's GREAT news that novak prices are falling, even if it's just a bit. Brushless seems to be sweeping the market, slowly but surely. Hehe...now Tower can't tell me there's no demand, and they shall carry more stuff! MUAHAHAHA!:D

[DaFF]

Yes, I agree, sensored system have the potential to be as powerfull as sensorless.

I don't see any technical reason why it would not be as powerfull anyway...

For now, the sensoreless still gots the node when it comes to power, but I hope Novak or other will soon show me wrong.

Competition drive the price lower and that's what the the BL world need to start ramps up like crazzy.

I can't wait to see how a full power BL car can do in the hands of say Atshuhi Hara, Mark Reinhart or the like !

Add Lipo into the game for even more perfs ( less weight, more volt, more power, more run time ) and I guess scale formula 1 will not be devoted anymore to 1/8 scale gas but instead extremly hot electrics !!

DFF

[standard_63]

That's how I feel with my BL/Lipo cars--mini F-1!! :) Going BL itself was so much of a jump in fun for me, Lipos have doubled that at least!! All my cars have gotten a new lease on life, if Novak can make a reliable good combo for $180 and more people get into BL, all the better! For now though I'm liking sensorless better for the many combos and power choices available. All my different BL systems run smoother at all rpms compared to any brushed setup I've had, so I don't understand the cogging issue everyone seems to have. I really believe it must be a setup thing, programming, wiring, interference, etc. Because I only occasionaly have low speed bucking problems with my Emaxx/Hacker Comp, but I'm positive it's the Hacker Comp esc, not the technology. It's more of a glitch than cogging. All others accelerate and brake beautifully. For 40 min+ with no maintainence!!

[cooper]

hint hint....

Tekin, with sensorless system, (new technology they told me)

rrrrr, but when...:(

[shadmaster4]

I dont understand how there is a $100 price beak?? If i remember correctly, tower sold that 4300 for about $239? At $179 now its about $60 off. Thats still not too much. This is the "stock" motor equivelent brushless motor right? Sounds like a ton of money for a stock motor+esc to me.

[synapse75]

a good esc costs that much on its own, then you factor in either having the motor turned or buying a lathe, brushes, springs, break in time, it is WAY more economical. Then you got the whole dyno thing.

[Windsorguy99]

$100 MSRP working out to a $60 street price drop sounds about right actually.....

[Rookie Solara]

Can someone tell me a simple question, does 4300 system and 5800 system sharing a SAME Brushless ESC...? The different between 2 of them are only the MOTOR..? One is stock and one is kinda like 12T mod motor...?

Or the 5800 ESC has a higher output ESC then the stock 4300...? Thanks.

[KylefromVA]

Yes they both use the same ESC.

Novak should have dropped the price of both. For the longest time the SS5800 actually cost less then the SS4300.
One motor really can't cost much more to make then the other... drop the price of both Novak!

[torque5252]

Even if it's not as large a price drop, the 5800 combo should come down. Since they use the same ESC. A good dyno'd stock and a good machine wound mod (brushed) are fairly close in price. Why force us to pay more for speed when it's not a more complicated product? :cool:

[TheLaw]

I dont understand how there is a $100 price beak?? If i remember correctly, tower sold that 4300 for about $239? At $179 now its about $60 off. Thats still not too much. This is the "stock" motor equivelent brushless motor right? Sounds like a ton of money for a stock motor+esc to me.

If you consider the fact that a GTX sells for around $160 and a stock motor generally costs $30, by buying the 4300 system at $179 you're not only saving $10 off the initial purchase...but you get all the perks of having a brushless system: No change in performance run after run, no brushes to buy, no armatures to wear out...etc

[synapse75]

no dynoing.. no hours of tuning..

[Rookie Solara]

If you consider the fact that a GTX sells for around $160 and a stock motor generally costs $30, by buying the 4300 system at $179 you're not only saving $10 off the initial purchase...but you get all the perks of having a brushless system: No change in performance run after run, no brushes to buy, no armatures to wear out...etc

There were a race hosted by a local club....first time ever mixed the stock brushless with the brushed motor........at the end, they decided it is not going to work.....Novak SS4300 Brushless is out run all the monster stock brushed motor...........their speed is not even close, even Novak is called them STOCK...it is more like a 23T motor instead.

These stock brushed motor guys race national and those big time race, but they are barely faster then those not so good drivers with the brushless, imagine these top guys were all using brushless........no one can catch them.

I think I have to hold on for his stock motor thing........beside, NOVAK is releasing the new set of Brushless system for MOD....they were raced and tested at the recent Novak race, and the speed is = 7-8T motors and they were all super fast.

[KylefromVA]

There were a race hosted by a local club....first time ever mixed the stock brushless with the brushed motor........at the end, they decided it is not going to work.....Novak SS4300 Brushless is out run all the monster stock brushed motor...........their speed is not even close, even Novak is called them STOCK...it is more like a 23T motor instead.

Everyone I've Talked to thats owned the Super Stock system has said it proforms more like a 19t spec motor. Maybe it should be called "Super Spec"?

I think I have to hold on for his stock motor thing........beside, NOVAK is releasing the new set of Brushless system for MOD....they were raced and tested at the recent Novak race, and the speed is = 7-8T motors and they were all super fast.

Do you have anymore info on this? I've been seeing rumors about this on forums for the last 6 months...

[synapse75]

I would agree that the super stock performs like a good 19t motor, but maybe with more bottom end. Not all 19ts are equal either. I raced a 19T in 1/12 this last weekend that was reworked by some dude at a big oval race and it was putting out numbers better than a 13T at 5degrees that I had. At that same oval race my ol'man (I dont do oval) said he saw a factory Novak dude run a car with a mod brushless system for exhibition and he said it was crazy fast.

Ive run the super stock system in F1 cars and sedans. It is VERY nice to know the motor is going to run exactly the same each race without doing any work to it. The average racer around here is getting too good at tuning motors, and Im getting lazier (im all for BL), which is one of the reasons I moved to 1/12th which is not as motor dependant as sedan. But.. it was nice that my ol'man had that killer 19T too :)

[Noob33]

nice now i migth be looking into eletric off road lol