Miss bud hop up help

[willmac]

I'm gettin a new miss bud, but I heard the engines were junk. What would be the best bang for the buck for a drop in engine into the bud. How much more power would it supply? I know proboat says the bud supplies 30+ mph, does it really do that?

Thanks guys

Will

[Hydro Junkie]

We can't answer that until we know which Dudweiser you are getting, the gas or nitro. Next two questions are; are you a beginner with boats and why the Pro Boat Buds?

[willmac]

Sorry I forgot, I'm gettin the 1/12 scale. I am a beginner with boats, but have been racing cars for a long time. I know I should start small and get bigger, but I don't really want to waste money on a real cheap boat, then get a much nicer boat 1 week later as it would be a huge waste of money(as I know from doing that many times with cars and trucks). I guess I am looking at a bud because I have seen a lot of good reviews, and it has the best bang for the buck which is what I'm lookin for in a hull.(correct me if I'm wrong)

Thanks

[abx131]

I paid $299 and I'm up to about $700 in to it total. If I had the chance I WOULD GO ANOTHER DIRECTION!!! Keep in mind you need a smooth lake for the miss bud. Dont get me wrong it is fun but it has a lot of frustrating times to go with it.

[willmac]

I know that there are a lot of frustrating times, when you have a major wreck, it won't start, etc. I am just looking to drop in an engine to a stock miss bud. If I bought a used one off ebay for about $150, and and engine for $175, that would be about the cost of a new bud. Correct me if I'm wrong, and you can't do it that easily (I know you have to get a few other parts)

I just want to know of a good, reliable engine that will give me some extra HP that I won't have to do much work to fit it into a bud

Thanks again

[Hydro Junkie]

If you haven't done so, do a search on the Nitro Bud and see what people are doing just to get them to run. There are radio parts that HAVE to be replaced, REQUIRED PROP UPGRADES, and that's just the start of it WITH A BRAND NEW BOAT!!!!!!!! A more powerfull engine just compounds the problems, as the boat tends to blow over VERY EASILY. You might also want to PM Hydromania and ask him what all he had to do to get his boat to work. Believe me, it was extensive. If you haven't spent the money yet, DON'T. Do much more research and see if it's what you REALLY WANT. You have to remember that the reviews ARE BIASED IN FAVOR OF A PRODUCT. Do you think Pro Boat/Horizon would advertise in R/C Boat Modeller if they were given a bad review? It's not the cover price that pays for the magazine, it's the advertising. Give me a good review and I'll advertise in your magazine is how the review system works. It all comes down to the "all mighty dollar", so don't be drawn blindly into the spider's web. You have a good resource here, so use it

[willmac]

So what hydro would you suggest. Thanks for the help

[Hydro Junkie]

Well, that depends. Do you really want a Budweiser or just a hydro? Would you want an outrigger for high speeds or something that looks scale? There are a few routes you can go, but you need to decide what you really want.

[BoatDoc]

will-the bud is not a good beginner boat! in fact it's not good for much. they're pretty and everything but they are more of a headache than they are worth. i've suffered through one myself. for a first boat i tell everyone to get a nitro hammer. they are great to learn on. i would suggest getting one of those to run and hop up a little and then moving on to something faster. a lot of people will tell you that hydro's aren't always a good first boat. if you have your heart set on a hydro, i'd say to wait to get as a second or even third boat. a firefighter .12 or another small outrigger seems to be a popular route to go when first getting into hydro's and 'riggers.

[abx131]

I gotta tell you about a month ago I stalled my 1/12 miss bus and had my kid swim out to get it. He accidentally dunked it briefly and shorted the receiver. Yesterday was the first day out with a new radio set and I flipped it 5 minutes in to its first run and I thought I shorted the radio again. I opened up everything and sprayed everything out with electronic cleaner and now it sits for a couple of days. This is typical of the kind of SH#!%&T you will experience. This boat is all looks and poor engineering. The thing leaks like crazy has too many upgrades just to get on the water and too much frustration for a beginer. Listen to Boat Doc and get a Nitro Hammer. You will have a lot of fun and ease into boats. Not get chased away from the whole thing with a bad experience. My wife is on me constantly about that "little boat that is a money hole"!!!

[Hydro Junkie]

Okay Willmac, now you have even more to think about. Still want to talk about hydros? This is why I said you need to decide what you really want. There are so many options and variables that picking a boat because it "looks cool" doesn't really work anymore. I agree with ABX and Boatdoc about the Nitro Hammer as a good starter boat. Might I suggest that if you want a Budweiser, build it yourself. Get the Hammer and learn how to handle a boat and at the same time,build your own Budweiser. Plans are available for just about any year Budweiser there was. If you just want a hydro, that can be arranged too :)

[willmac]

Thanks for the help guys. What fail safe should I get whichever boat I may choose.

[abx131]

They are all the same, My LHS had only one and it spliced in between the receiver and the throttle servo. If you do get a miss bud make sure you get the smallest fail safe for there is not much space in the radio box.

[Andrewg]

Willmac if this is your first boat

It could be a challenging one - the thing is not a total dud just very badly setup. It has a chunk of lead in one sponson and the motor setup is poor and the prop is worse.

Yes the hull leaks but all nitro boats do. Its a matter of setting up the radio box to protect your electrics removing the lead and getting the motor, driveline and prop sorted.

Still the boat will be kind of slow compared to an electric 12 cell hydro runnign a drill motor like a 700bb or SS1 and the runtime about the same - 8-9 minutes. It will be nowhere comapred to a brushless setup.

There was an article in Radio Control Boat Modeller which suggested changes which went some of the way to realising the boats potential. Try and get a copy of it.

[Watercadet]

This is what I have in my Bud. It is great, strong dependable and there are parts available. The only thing is that is will require a different headder. The Associated headder for the NTC3 is the one to get and it is cheep too. I have run it with no water cooling but opened up the dam in the cowl to give it air. http://hobbypeople.net/gallery/146002.asp

Here is a great motor too. Good luck getting one. It too is an .18 and will use the stock exhaust. http://hobbypeople.net/gallery/146002.asp

Both will bolt right in, and both are more powerful and dependable than stock.
Adam

[Andrewg]

Adam

diud you take the weight out of the sponson and use an Octura X438?

[willmac]

Since I'm a newbie can you just use a car engine like you said? What do you do with the water that comes into the car to cool the engine?

Adam

diud you take the weight out of the sponson and use an Octura X438?

Where is the sponson in my bud, and what do I replace it with?

Thanks guys

[Hydro Junkie]

The sponsons are the big floats on the front with the Budweiser decals on the deck and Canard(front wing) between them. The weight he was refering to is inside one of them, I'm assuming the left one, due to engine torque.

[Watercadet]

Andrew-
Left the weight there and am running a x440. The drive set up is not quite stock :D I am going to try a x437/3 this weekend to see if I can get more RPM.
Adam

[willmac]

I also saw that you can only turn the boat clockwise in the manual?? Is that true with all hydros? Can I take it off?

[Hydro Junkie]

It's pretty much the case. When you asked if you could take it off, I'm assuming you are talking the skidfin. To answer your question, yes you can, but the boat won't turn either way if you do. HYDROPLANES DON'T ACTUALLY TURN, THEY PIVOT AROUND THE SKIDFIN. Without the skidfin, the boat will basically slide sideways due to lack of anything in the water. Unfortunately, that's the nature of hydroplanes. In all hydros, the prop direction dictates which way the boat turns by something refered to as propwalk. Having a surface drive, only the bottom half of the prop is in the water. It not only pushes the boat forward, it pushes the back half sideways like a paddlewheel. Due to the clockwise rotation of the prop(as seen looking at the back of the boat), the rear is pushed to the left, making the boat want to go right. Therefore, the boats are raced in a clockwise direction. Hope this explains the reason the boat turns right.

[Hydro Junkie]

It's pretty much the case. When you asked if you could take it off, I'm assuming you are talking the skidfin. To answer your question, yes you can, but the boat won't turn either way if you do. HYDROPLANES DON'T ACTUALLY TURN, THEY PIVOT AROUND THE SKIDFIN. Without the skidfin, the boat will basically slide sideways due to lack of anything in the water. Unfortunately, that's the nature of hydroplanes. In all hydros, the prop direction dictates which way the boat turns by something refered to as propwalk. Having a surface drive, only the bottom half of the prop is in the water. It not only pushes the boat forward, it pushes the back half sideways like a paddlewheel. Due to the counterclockwise rotation of the prop(as seen looking at the back of the boat), the rear is pushed to the left, making the boat want to go right. Therefore, the boats are raced in a clockwise direction. Hope this explains the reason the boat turns right :)