Tiger 1-English Laws

[R/C Motorcycle King]

That new Tamiya Tiger 1 looks really cool, but really expensive! Does it have to be $700? I tell you, they have some weird laws here, you can drive a REAL tank LEGALLY on the roads, you can buy fireworks, but not guns(thats all right though) and you can ride a motorcycle in your boxers as long as you dont have a tinted visor, that one is just plain stupid though.

[hpiguy]

Don't worry.

If Gore wins the election the US will be the same.

[R_C_MAN]

LOL@hpiguy. Motorcycle king I guess your country is lucky to have outlawed guns, because over here millions of people die because of guns. We have weird laws here too. In my city there is a weird law that says something like it is against the law to sit in the middle of the street and read the newspaper. There are a lot of other weird laws here too.
I wonder who hpiguy(hippie guy) wants to win the election. LOL.

[hpiguy]

RC:

I think that the "millions" of deaths was a little excaggerated.

It's more like 2,000 a year and half of those are from kids who find guns that their parents are too stupid to hide correctly, and store unloaded. The media portrays the US as a bunch of gun wielding psychos, but we all know that isn't anywhere near the truth. The liberal media knows how to play the "easy panicking public" into believing anthing the anti gun people want.

Banning guns is not good for anyone. It only gives the criminals a way to attack us and leave us defenseless. Also the saying is "a government fears a well armed constituency". It means that since countries like England, Japan. China. Australia have banned all guns from the law abiding citizens, the criminals and the government are free to do what they want to the people. And they do. Non gun crimes have risen over 300% in Australia since they banned guns, because now the criminals don't have to worry about being shot when they **** mothers, rob houses and stores, mug old people, etc, etc. Taking away guns solves nothing.

Where as in the US where we are still allowed to hold firearms the government knows they can only go so far before we fight back.

But since this is an R/C site, I digress.

[R/C Motorcycle King]

Just to let you all know, I am from Gilbert Arizona and I am living here for 2 years.

[mike]

I find it amazing how some people portray guns and the people who own them and talk about how dangerous they are, but dont think twice about throughing junior a set of car keys which have killed many times more young and inocent people in a year then guns ever will.

[glowplugman]

Everyone needs to understand- Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

[LosiMan3456]

Hey GLOWPLUGMAN Thats neat. Isnt that what the NRA says.

[R/C Motorcycle King]

could someone please tell me what "lol" means?

[JP]

lol=laughing out loud
rofl=rolling on floor laughing
rof-" " without the laughing.

[LosiMan3456]

LoL also means "Lots of laugh"

[R_C_MAN]

I never said a million people die here in a year from guns. But a lot of people do die from guns. All murders are not broadcast on the news. People die everyday from guns but the news can't cover all of them. Banning guns will solve problems.
A criminal without a gun evens out the score a lot for some people. Just to bad that the US can't realize somethings like England, Japan, China etc.
2,000 a years sounds way low. And if it is 2,000, isn't that enough. 2,000 lives lost to guns, and for what. What do you really need a gun for. If no one had guns then why would you need it. Sometimes a gun is just an extension of ones ego.

[hpiguy]

FYI YES you did say millions die. Not just one million but MILLIONS. Reread the first sentence of your post. (unless you go and edit it now)

Last year 47,000 people died in car accidents. Should we ban cars?

20,000 of those were either hit by a drunk driver or were driving drunk. Should we ban alcohol?

5,000 people drown every year because of lack of supervision. Shall we ban pools and sprinklers?

2,000 people die from food poisoning a year. Shall we ban all home cooked meals?

Your statements are the same reactionary rhetoric that all liberal media spits out daily, and all anti-guns know it alls love to hear. But you always forget that guns account for the least amount of deaths among unnatural causes.

What we need is to have the current laws enforced, and we need better gun education for all gun users.

All death is unfortunate, but lets not blame guns for the fact that some people are just stupid, and will die no matter how well the government tries to coddle and baby them.

And like I said this is an R/C site. Let's continue this on a poltical type bulletin board.

Not here.

[hpiguy]

Originally posted by R_C_MAN:
LOL@hpiguy. Motorcycle king I guess your country is lucky to have outlawed guns, because over here millions of people die because of guns. We have weird laws here too. In my city there is a weird law that says something like it is against the law to sit in the middle of the street and read the newspaper. There are a lot of other weird laws here too.
I wonder who hpiguy(hippie guy) wants to win the election. LOL.

Here is the quote BTW.

[R/C Motorcycle King]

Sorry, I didnt want this to turn into a battle over guns.

[TUCRACEMAN]

Why ban home cooked meals? Don't you think it would be better to ban McDonalds or Burger King?

[R_C_MAN]

I did in fact say millions and I am going to stick to that. I never said millions and then state a period of time in which the deaths occur. Example: A million people dies from guns every six months. Do you get what I am saying now. I never said a time for the deaths to occur.
Guns and food poisoning are very hard to compare in this situation. Guns aren't neccesary is what I am saying. Can you name one good reason to have one besides for hunting. Guns can help in protecting you but if all guns were outlawed and let's just say no one had guns then why would you still need it? For show? Show off your R/C cars then. No cars shouldn't be banned due to the accidents because cars actually do good. Try transportation for example. I could go on and on to defend myself more in depth, but I think I'll just leave it at that.
The gun laws do need to be enforced though. I agree with that because people around here don't just tote nines. People be toting Ak-47's and 12 gauges.

[hpiguy]

Guns are handy for target shooting (enjoyment) and YES for hunting, and for personal protection. And definitely for collecting.

How dare you tell me that what I enjoy as a hobby is wrong because you don't like it.

What if Al Gore said that R/C destroys the habitat of grass and creates waste on this planet and went to ban them? Since only .1% of the population even owns R/C they will all say "Why do you NEED R/Cs? Just do something else." That is what you are saying about guns and it makes no sense to use that reasoning to ban something.

I have never injured anybody with a firearm and never will, so why punish me? I've never commited a felony either, but should I be locked up everytime a white anglo saxon male does wrong?

Your theory states that since one group commits a wrong therefore we should punish EVERYBODY. That's ludicrous.

If we ban guns it won't stop the criminals. Banning ANYTHING only stops LAW ABIDING citizens, it never stops criminals.

Drugs have been illegal for over 80 years and doea it stop the criminals???? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Abusing children and wives is illegal, but does this stop???? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Shoplifting is illegal and does it stop the criminals??? NOPE

All these crimes and more carry very stiff fines and jail time if commited, but yet our jails are overcrowded with new criminals. More than ever before.

The criminals will still carry guns and the only people NOT carrying guns will be us, the law abiding citizens. a.k.a. the new race of victimized unarmed helpless public.

FYI the total for all gun deaths in the US since 1776 including soldiers of domestic and foreign wars, violent, and accidental death is roughly 600,000. This is in 225 years.

Now for your precious automobile, which has only been in wide use for just over 90 years the death toll is well over 30 million in this country alone.

Seems to me we really need to ban automobiles. They pollute the world, and kill off humans and countless others by the multi millions worldwide.

I don't care, let's ban them. I walk to work, and there is always trains, phones, e-mails, and planes.

Why do we need cars?

Sounds good to me, since I can live without one why can't everybody else?

{See how ridiculous your "why do we need guns" statements sound to those of us who enjoy them, AND USE THEM LEGALLY**

Now let's end this here and move it somewhere else, or are you afraid that since you have no facts that discussing this on a political website will show you to be seriously uninformed on this issue?

[mike]

well said! hpiguy!

[R/C Motorcycle King]

Gore probably would try to ban RC's. He wants to basically ban motorcycles, that lieing little baby, why doesnt he just let Bush win? Oh, and millions still dont die from them, they die from stupid people.

[JP]

HPIGuy-NEVER BAN CARS! Then how am I going to get my McLaren F1 someday? Yeah right, I know, but there will go LOTS of money to the government because its safe to say that their number 1 $$$ comes from taxes having to do with cars/parts/fuel http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/smile.gif etc. Also, I live about 30 miles from my work, and 30 from the nearest train that doesnt even cross my work. YES I DO work at McDonalds, but thats the only place that would hire me at 14 years old. Imagine: No NASCAR/NASTRUCK, no F1/grand prix's, no LeMans, no NOTHING. I would NEVER ban cars if it was the worst thing in the world, in fact. Its probably safe to say that our nation would nearly CALAPSE without the money that the government makes from cars/gas/parts etc. Why would we ban cars when our country would go BOOM, and we would fear everyone, but no one would fear us. Whats the most common thing you see everyday, 98-99% would say cars if that was one of the answers. Cars are good, mmmkay?

[R/C Motorcycle King]

JP, he was being sarcastic, I think. Kinda hard to tell though.

If he wasnt, then what about people like me that live on a sheep far 30 minutes away from town.(its true, American on a english sheep farm. but that isnt why we moved here)

I didnt know McDonalds hired 14 year olds.

And where you being sarcastic Hippie Guy?

[R/C Motorcycle King]

Look at this weird trials bike. (I am sure you dont know what that is but there designed to climb just about anything. I have a normal one, so i know.
www.denalicycles.com/trialsproto.htm (http://www.denalicycles.com/trialsproto.htm)

[hpiguy]

Yes I was being sarcastic.

I was trying to prove how selfish RC Man (and all anti gun people) was being by saying that banning one item just because he didn't enjoy it, and didn't like it was OK.

It's not OK, since in this country we should enjoy personal freedom, as long as it doesn't harm others directly. And just because some other guy or people use guns in a bad way doesn't mean they ALL have to be punished.

[R/C Motorcycle King]

Thats what I thought.

[JP]

Sorry, its hard to determine whether or not someones sarcastic without seeing their expression or hearing their tone of voice. that was the most-from-the-heart letter i've ever written...I think

[R_C_MAN]

hpiguy your gun death facts sound to me to be WRONG. 600,000 people in 225 years......SURE. How about you don't put words in my mouth. I never said your "hobby" of gun collecting was wrong because I don't like it. What's this "How dare you" business about Dad (read sarcastically).
When did I say that since one group commits a wrong then everyone should be punished. You are making up your own theories. Will guns ever be outlawed? Probably not.
When was the last time a Rustler was used to commit a murder. Then why should we ban R/C.
It is hard for you to understand my point of view reading this. You are probably getting all worked up for nothing, because I have a cool head about this (not at the fact that people die from guns though).
It seems you were very mad in your post when you accused me of the false theories. I don't know if you were mad or not because I could be interpreting wrong what you say too.
How can you say you will never injure someone with a firearm?
I guess I better leave it at that before hpiguy makes me number 600,001.