DON'T BUY TRINITY CELLS

[R_C_MAN]

Hey B3Bomb how do you know this for sure? I am not saying you are wrong though. In the towerhobbies speedmart it says "Team Spec" are the cells Kinwald and etc. use, so is that a lie. I was thinking of buying Trinity cells, the Sanyo 2000 7 cell hump with the Vis-Extra cell treatment that is supposed to increase voltage and is a matched pack. How do you like your Trinity cells?

[B3 Bomb]

Here is what they do. They sponsor probabally thousands of drivers and help get them the good packs. The packs that are not good enough for their sponsored drivers get catagorized as "Team Spec", "World Spec", and "Sport Spec". As you can amagine even the "Team Spec" is far from what the sponsored drivers get. All that I am trying to say is that I was unaware of how bad their cells are and mistakingly bought them. I showed them to the locals where I race I got the same thing " wow I hpoe you did'nt pay a lot for them."

[B3 Bomb]

RC Man-The cells are better than a regular stick pack. I bought the world tech and the thing about thoes being the cells that Kinwald uses, not a chance my friend.

you see the categories that tower hobbies has listed "sport", "world", and "team". Add one more to that list above team, Sponsor cells. Because think about it if you can buy kinwalds cells so can the competition.

[DerekB]

B3 Bomb,

If you look at any form of racing the "best" stuff is always saved for the team. Trinity is the largest distributor for cells and the chances that Kinwald gets every pack that is the best is slim to none. There are thousands of packs that should provide plenty of power and run-time. Even the "crappy" packs of today are better than the best packs of 2 years ago. Was the pack a 3000? If you went from a 2000 pack to a 3000 there will be a noticable loss of "punch" that you get with a 2000 pack. If you feel that your pack was defective call Trinity and they will be happy to help you out.

Some things to look for when purchasing a battery from any manufacturer are clearly printed on the label-voltage/runtime. If you buy from your LHS you could search for the best pack. If you buy it on-line your sttuck for the luck of the draw, but if you buy a pack marked top of the line you will get a pack that will live up to those standards.

Derek

[agalanis]

I'd like to point out that these different grades don't make a difference when it comes to club racing. Even less with goofing around, or practice.

I also have another hobby, it's table top strategy games. There are guys that are so into it, and so into getting the biggest most powerful characters. Anyways, we call these guys "Power Gamers".

I think we can use the term for guys here that have to have all the ultra hot stuff. They can be "Power Racers". Guys that want to win at any cost (to their pocketbooks or anyone else) that they will do anything.

[FLYBOY7]

i would like to say that if you gave BK the worst trinity pack in the world, and made him drive a box stock buggy, and you gave me the best 6 cells every made, and gave me the trickest, badest buggy on the planet, that BK would still smoke me hands down.... talent and practice makes up for thousands of dollars worth of hop-ups or the "Best" batteries...

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[aspiringrcracer710]

hey it only matters when your racing on the national scene, so if it is the same quality as Kinwald and the other hired guns that they have then thats great if its not so what.
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[B3 Bomb]

Derek-I bought them mail order and thet are the 2000 packs.
agalanis-may i go out on a limb here and say that you play ADD right (dungeons and dragons)
And i dont race just regional club races.


[This message has been edited by B3 Bomb (edited 08-03-2000).]

[oldtimeRCer]

well B3 Bomb if you didn't know they weren't good cells untill you showed them to someone eles sounds like you only know enough to cause trouble. and for offroad racing you don't need the best pack in the world to have a good race i doubt i will ever own a 3000 pack thats just overkill.

[agalanis]

agalanis-may i go out on a limb here and say that you play ADD right (dungeons and dragons)


Actually it's called Warhammer from Games Workshop. Think of Risk/Chess/Warcraft all rolled into one, on a 6x4 foot table. E-mail me if you want to know more. Don't want to get TOO off topic.

[SpeedRacer]

Well put flyboy7 (even though that was almost directly out of a rcca issue) but hey i still believe it! I rarely see a race lost(at least on the local level) due to batteries... its all in practice.

[aspiringrcracer710]

Originally posted by FLYBOY7:
i would like to say that if you gave BK the worst trinity pack in the world, and made him drive a box stock buggy, and you gave me the best 6 cells every made, and gave me the trickest, badest buggy on the planet, that BK would still smoke me hands down.... talent and practice makes up for thousands of dollars worth of hop-ups or the "Best" batteries...


AMEN TO THAT!!!! I mean I would like to say to B3 Bomb that if you think that You have to win by having the very best of everything for your racer you obviously dont put your money where your track time is because like pete said in a letter to one of the readers, "the best performance-for-the-dollar purchase is still track time." So if you wanna go chasin down the baddest stuff for your B3 thats fine but if you wanna be able to open up a can of WA on race day head to the track and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!! BTW peteV you are the man and you havent responded to any of my emails! http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/cool.gif http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


[This message has been edited by aspiringrcracer710 (edited 08-09-2000).]

[t3stud]

people are sick and tires of trinity and htere products. There are tons of peopel not even touching trinity products. I dont buy then either. Go to rcvehicles.com and youll see what people think of trinity. The people on that range from kids just starting to the owner of peak, smc batteries, hilltop batts. They are just able to out buy the competition not beat them out wiht a better product.

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brt#447

[R_C_MAN]

There seems to be different opinions on this issue. Are you sure rcvehicles.com is a website?

[rcracer_xxxt_futaba]

What cells are better world or team?

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[SteveP]

This is a topic that's been played out for many years. There's always been a select few that refuse to believe that they got beat by driving skills. Regardless of where you stand on this issue, it's of no value to those visiting this board. If you have solid evidence that there is something physically wrong with anyone's batteries, or that they are decidedly inferior in performance, then I think it would be more appropriate to post a thread here suggesting that everyone not buy that product. Rampant speculation about how anyone conducts their business, offers no value to anyone visiting this board. I'll leave this thread open to give anyone the opportunity to provide solid reasons why a Trinity battery offers less performance than those offered by another company, justifying why we shouldn't in fact buy Trinity batteries. Absent that, this thread will be closed because I don't want this board to turn into I hate "this company" forum.

Thanks for understanding. I would simply prefer that this be a board that help promote the hobby.

[This message has been edited by SteveP (edited 08-09-2000).]

[t3stud]

rc car man, try and search for rcvehicles.com
its an about.com site

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brt#447

[hpiguy]

I don't think that Trinity cells are all that bad as a whole.

It's just that when you order a pack they won't guarantee any certain numbers. they are kind of vague to protect themselves.

All other matchers guarantee certain numbers.

Trinity just says: Between these numbers or their common saying is just that the cells are "el primo" (taken from their ad BTW) but gives no DEFINITE numbers. So when you get a pack in the mail you can't depend on any cetain range of numbers.

I have ordered three TEAM packs and gotten three WIDE differences in numbers.

I think that is the kind of stuff they are complaining about.

Why can't Trinity commit to getting a certain set of numbers for each class of cells?

If they could do that then we would know what to expect from an order.

Otherwise if we don't like it there are TONS of matchers who WILL guarantee their numbers to be within a certain range.

[agalanis]

hpiguy said;
Trinity just says: Between these numbers or their common saying is just that the cells are "el primo" (taken from their ad BTW) but gives no DEFINITE numbers. So when you get a pack in the mail you can't depend on any cetain range of numbers.

I have ordered three TEAM packs and gotten three WIDE differences in numbers.



My question is... just how much of a difference is there on the track between these three packs. I'd assume not a whole heck of a lot.

Lets suggest this hypothetical situation. All things are considered equal, car and driver ability. If during a race you eat the wall, or get bumped and end up back of the pack. Will the fraction of the mAh help you get back to where you were?

Again, I wouldn't asume so.

[hpiguy]

I'm not saying what you are implying I was.

I was mearly stating a fact.

Trinity REFUSES to guarantee their cells to be within a certain range of numbers. That's all.

All other matchers will.

That's all my post was about.

I agree that a few MAHs or thousands of a volt will not matter, but you can't depend on any certain factors when you order their cells.

[rcracer_xxxt_futaba]

I bought some 2400 and there are 3 2416 MAH cells and 3 2425 MAH cells. Is that good or not?

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[dockman]

Steve P, I dont think B3 Bomb was implying that the Trinity cells were defective. The point is that as one of(if not "the") biggest sponsors of RC racing they have such a large number of drivers. Naturally with that many Team drivers it will take a large amount of Great cells to keep all of these drivers going. Common sense says that the cells that are left over get sold to the public. Even though they sell them labeled "Team" cells they are not what the real Team drivers are getting. This holds true with any matcher that sponsors drivers, not just Trinity, but the matchers with very small teams will have a larger pool of high # cells for public sale. I own several Trinity "Team" packs and the #s are the same or lower than packs I have from other matchers. This is shown by the #s on the labels and then confirmed on my T35. The biggest difference is that I paid a lot less for the non Trinty cells. Sometimes $20 or more. Maybe because they dont spend as much on advertising the can offer their products that have just as good of #s or better at a lower price.

[SteveP]

I think everyone is missing my point. Absent solid proof of a mechanical defect that you should warn others about, this type of post simply shouldn't be here. It's rampant speculation to think that because of the size of their racing team, Trinity couldn't provide good cells to the general public. The sheer volume of cells they cycle allows them to have hundreds more drivers than a smaller matcher and still have a great deal of good batteries in reserve, but that's not even the real point.
You can disagree with their methods of rating packs, but this is NOT going to become a battery politics forum. This type of thread adds nothing with respect to quality information. I wouldn't even have a problem with it if someone were to come up here and say, " I had a good experience with Brand X cells. I was running Trinity batteries, but I've found these new Brand X cells to be more consistent." Keep the threads positive and informative, and I'll have no problem with them.

[dockman]

I dont agree with the way it was said that the Trinity cells were junk because they are perfectly good batteries. I would think the general topic would be informative to people though. Ive been a subscriber to RCCA since 1987 and I thought the purpose of the mag (and web site) was to inform hobbyist of all aspects of RC. I may be wrong but...

OK- I own several packs of world and team cells from Trinity. I also own several packs of ESP cells. All the ESP cells have as good or better #s on the labels and during cycling on a T35 but cost much less compared to the Trinity cells. Not that there is a problem with either batt but Ive found I get more bang for the buck with the ESP cells.

[SteveP]

Dockman - your second post is exactly the type of information that's appropriate - right on the money. I just hope you understand my concern that this not be a haven for everyone who's got an axe to grind with Trinity or any other company. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from talking about legitimate concerns with a product based on their OWN experience, I'm talking about flaming. I'm sure you've seen the 2 or 3 boards that are full of "I hate so and so" threads. There's no redeeming value to these threads, they're full of misinformation, and they take away from what could otherwise be a good resource for the majority of their visitors.

Thanks for understanding - glad to have you aboard! http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/smile.gif

[dockman]

I agree totally. You can express a displeasure with a product with out ranting and raving about it. I was just concerned that the topic was a problem due to who it was about. I guess it is not always easy to get the true meaning across in writing as opposed to talking.
As I said before I dont think the Trinity cells give the most bang for the buck but they have held true to the numbers on the labels so there is nothing wrong with them.

Thanks for the welcome
Kevin

[sk8er_guy03]

Battery packs are important, but they wont loose a race unless they dump before the race is over. By the way, trinity didnt get so popular if their products sucked. if you dont think their 2000cells are good enough for your driving, you would be good enough to get sponcered and get their "1st hand picks" that they give to the drivers.

This isn't what the hobby is about, Its about having FUN!!! Sometimes we get carried away with hop ups and stuff, but we need to remember why we got in the hobby.

When you 1st started Did you think you absolutly needed the best 2000 packs to have fun?

Man, that sounds like i got it from Jerry springer! YUCK! http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/biggrin.gif hehe

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[dockman]

Your right about that. It is supposed to be fun. People do worry way to much on having the top of the line batteries. Most cant handle or need the extra power they get from them. In fact they could use stick pack 2000s and do fine, maybe even better because with a little less power they would stay in control better. What has a tendancy to make things less fun for someone, especially a new person, is to spend big bucks on a battery that is supposed to be top of the line and find out the #s are just so so. If they where a little more informed of the products out there they could have gotten the same level(or better) batteries at a lower price. The cost of the hobby does have a tendancy to run people off so we should all try to help them spend more wisely and keep them around. Most new people would be better off buying 2 stick packs of 2000s rather than a $75 or $80 super pack.

[dockman]

if you dont think their 2000cells are good enough for your driving, you would be good enough to get sponcered and get their "1st hand picks" that they give to the drivers.

Just so you know, anyone with a few years of experience can tell the difference between a 1.14-1.15 pack and a 1.16-1.17 pack. If they can feel the difference can they handle it? Yes. Does this make them good enough to be sponsored? Not by a long shot. It takes a lot more than being able to tell the difference between two batts. Like I said before most new people could not handle the power anyway.

[t3stud]

one of my friends bought a trinity 2000 from a local hobbyshop and he said "give me your best battery". The guy handed him a trinity, my freind gave him a 100$ bill, and got less than 10$ back after deans plugs and bars. I now have that pack becasue i traded for it, and it doesnt have the numbers that my 35$ promatch has. Just stating my point, and also ever noticed that you cant see the #'s on a trinity box?

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brt#447

[dockman]

On the side of the Trinity box there is a batt label. Each batt is as good or better than the numbers on that label.

[aspiringrcracer710]

Thank you dockman!!!!! http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I knew that there was someone else out there who knows that having the best of the best isnt what makes you great. I mean Joel "Magic" Johnson retired this year was he one of the greatest RCers because he had the absolute best electronics no stinkin way!!! He was one of the greats because he knew that even if you have the latest everything it dont mean beans on race day if yo end up in the ZZZZ main cuz you didnt practice. What dockman is saying is a breath of fresh air on this thread. SteveP, people like dockman are what made me interested in RC and you know that if people like him werent in this hobby people like me wouldnt become interested. Trinity is the best because they make the best and their drivers are the best because of three things:
1)Practice
2)proper tuning of their racers
3)being down to earth when rookies ask for help that is why they are at the forefront of RC

In closing I'll just say that get what is best for you and then practice practice practice and the results will come BTW Joel Johnson I think you still are "Magic" You will be greatly missed on drivers stands around the RC car world.(BTW I know hes not dead)


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[dockman]

710-Thanks for the kind words. Ive been into RC longer than a lot of guys on here have been alive and one thing Ive learned is to have fun. If its not fun then stop right now. There is nothing more fun than getting together and running against your friends but when things get so serious that you have to worry whether your running a 1.15 pack or a 1.16 pack then its gone to far. Lets all go get the least expensive stuff we can find and race a little and have some fun. When I raced oval I didnt run the best stuff, I used Mag Jr radios and Explorer ESCs with "practice" packs. I won my fair share of races with this stuff due to driving. I ran consistant laps without wrecking and beat the fast guys that couldnt handle the speed and hit the walls. Then you pass them and go for the win. My point is to spend less and drive more. You will do better overall. The main thing is to have fun, win or lose.

[aspiringrcracer710]

right back at ya dockman!!! Hey can you suggest a good off road racing truck to me bud cuz I am lookin to make that investment sometime after I start lifeguarding(certification classes begin in october at a fitness center near my house and im gonna take one then buy some RC stuff with the money) http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/smile.gif

BJ Williams
Age 17

[dockman]

Either the XXXT, T3, or maybe the Ultima ST by Kyosho. People have their preferences(the old ford-chevy thing) but any of the three are good. I would try to see what your local hobby shop carries parts for then decide. It will save you from having to order stuff when you break small parts.

[aspiringrcracer710]

Thanx dockman hey if your headed to FLordia for WC2K1 then give me a ring I am tryong to hook up with other racers form the north or southeast (Floridians need not apply)

[rcracer_xxxt_futaba]

I bought some trinity 2400 cells for $70 and get 9 min & 15 sec out with a stock motor.

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