Nitro and Cigarettes.

[very low budget racer]

I belive to be somewhat of a pyro maniac. When it comes to fire I get excited o watch things burn, I tried to see what things burn and how they can be lit today.

First on the list was nitro, I couldnt light it with a soldering iron, nor a spark, a match worked well, but when I took a lit cigarette (I wasnt smoking it nor was my friend, DON'T SMOKE!!) and put it into the nitro nothing happened except that the cigarette went out and that sweet aroma dissapeared (j/k :D ).

I have come to a conclusion that cig's dont burn hot enough to ignite nitro. With further expirimentation I will find out what temp nitro ignites and what temp a cig burns just for kicks.

I would not reccoment any sort of this "expiramenting" to anyone! I was outdoors wearing heat prove gloves, mask, and goggles. I did this away from flammable objects on a concrete slab with a hose and fire extinguisher on hand.


PS: SMOKING IS BADD!!! M-KAY!

[draggerman11]

My kind of person :D Everyone loves fire!

[Nitro_Man]

Nitro isn't combustable unless it is compressed some how ie. in a engine cylinder. That is how we are able to use glow plugs.

Jarad

[very low budget racer]

It can still combust without compression, but just at a higher temp, thats why glow plugs can ingite it.

[cjlandry]

Man, you ain't right! :eek: ;)

I have some nitroglycerin if you want to find out how far you can drop it without igniting it. :eek: (just joking)

[ 08-30-2001: Message edited by: cjlandry ]

[atm92484]

Ya nitro doesn't burn as easily. I forget where I read this, but the flashpoint for gasoline is around 40 degrees but nitro is up somewhere around 140 degrees.

[Nitro_Man]

If a glow plug will ingite un compressed nitro, then why don't you put a glow plug on some nitro and see what it does. Just use a small amount. :D

Jarad

[bullfrog]

i liek the way nitro burns clear. :D

[Oyster]

Here's some Nitro Info. :)

Fire:
Flash point: 35C (95F) CC
Autoignition temperature: 418C (784F)
Flammable limits in air % by volume:
lel: 7.3
Explosion:
Above the flash point, explosive vapor-air mixtures may be formed. Flammable vapors that are heavier than air may accumulate in low areas and/or spread along ground away from handling site. Flashback along vapor trail may occur. May be detonated if confined and heated, or by shock from high explosives. Becomes more sensitive to detonation by contamination with certain chemical compounds, such as amines and acids. Fire and explosion hazard when under pressure. Sensitive to mechanical impact. Sensitive to static discharge.
Fire Extinguishing Media:
Carbon dioxide, alcohol foam, water spray. Do not use dry chemical extinguishers. Do not use dry chemical fire extinguishers containing sodium or potassium bicarbonates on nitromethane fires.
Special Information:
In the event of a fire, wear full protective clothing and NIOSH-approved self-contained breathing apparatus with full facepiece operated in the pressure demand or other positive pressure mode.

[cjlandry]

Someone read his MSDS. :)

An MSDS sure beats at home "trial by fire" experimentation.

[Serius Black]

There's something disturbing about someone announcing to the world that they "love to play with fire" and "like to watch things burn".
What is the signifigance of finding out whether or not a cigarette, a match, or flaming bag of dog crap can ignite nitro fuel? How is this knowledge going to assist you in every day life?

[MtnKodiak]

Um "Serius" [sic]... try lightening up a little, m'kay?

To answer your question, just a while ago on this forum or one of the other R/C forum there was a thread about smoking cigs while working on or re-fueling your R/C vehicle. The general concensus was that the poster's brother (who was doing the smoking) was crazy.

After VLBR's experiments, now we know that it is a lot safer than what was originally thought.

So there you have it. Science marches onward!

--mK

[grandmasterofpool]

Okay, here's your problem man. You can flick a lit cigarette into a bucket of gasoline and it won't explode (DO NOT TRY THIS!!!!)

If flicked fast enough the nitro/gasoline will actually dowse the cigarette and put it out.

The fumes of the nitro and gasoline are actually what are extrememly flammable. If you flick it fast enough the cigarette doesn't have enough time to catch the fumes before being put out by the liquid.

Ain't science cool :D

[Spinner]

VLB- Watch out, methanol burns invisible!

[Serius Black]

Mtn Kodiak -

So, you think it's normal to "like watching things burn", too? I mean, it's one thing if it was JUST an experiment, but the dude admitted he's a pyro, and screws with the stuff to watch it burn. It bothers me so much to think that this could be the guy that lives next to me. First, the grass catches fire, then a tree, then my house.
Why does this experiment have to be done, anyway? Do we not know that it's flamable? Have payed lab techs not already tested these sort of things? The flash points and flamabilty are available if you want to do the research.
Don't tell me to lighten up, bro. I'm just stating a fact, that this isn't a healty thing to be messing around with.
Won't be so fun when you have to have your face reconstructed out of butt skin. :eek:

[GTman]

nitro vapor will burn!!! I know because a scary experience involving my fuel bottle, a match, and my face. I was being a nitro pyro and was trying to light some nitro that i spilled on the ground. It go to be kinda fun so, despite the $25/gal cost, i took my long necked refueler and decided to pour more on. Well as someone metioned, nitro burns clear!opps I poured more nitro on the ground and set the bottle a little too close to the flames. vapor coming out of bottle ignited and shot flaming nitro about 30ft in the air. It was crazy. the neck on the bottle acted like a jet and created pressure in the bottle and high velocity gases to exit. those of you reading expecting me to say I burnt off my face--ha ha. it wasn't invloved.

[RC10T3]

nitro will ignite on a hot engine...it sucks very very bad. During an enduro, never drop nitro on your engine head. It riuns your race :-)

[mtnkodiak]

Aw h*ll, Serius: You don't even want to know what I consider "normal", and I ain't going there anyway...

Yes, it's Bad to play with fire. Nitro is indeed flammable, and my guess is that nitro R/C wouldn't be too fun if it wasn't.

Sheesh, I forget how literal ya have to be on the 'net sometimes.

--mK

[very low budget racer]

Im not saying that I burn things for fun, I just like fire, I think is is the coolest thing in the world. I am sure that you Serious Black think there is a cool factor to fire, I am not stupid to do dangerous stuff that would create a disaster. I even sprayed everything around this "expirament" to make sure nothing nearby caught fire. Dont worry, im not your neighbor either ;) .

[Nitrotruckman]

I love explosions and fire too. I played with matches as a kid (stupid thing to do). I am looking forward to chemistry class because it is so intrigueing to do things with substances 9may even go into it someday for a career. I think there is nothing wrong with a little fun and experimentation driven by a sense of curiousity, IF you know what you are doing and you take precautions. Some people get payed for being pyros :)

[jeepinator]

Geeez !
Serious is living up to his name :p

OK, entire world, I have something to admit:

I LIKE TO PLAY WITH FIRE !
I LIKE TO WATCH THINGS BURN !

What the heck is wrong with that ? I did not say, "Hey world, I like to damage property and be evil and kill people" :rolleyes:

And the point about what will I learn ? Ummm... what do you learn by driving RC cars ? What do you learn by driving to work ? What do you learn by BREATHING ?
Give me a break. We do stuff for fun, to satisfy our curiosity, and in a lot of cases, to satisfy some deep rooted evil desire. So what ? I used to play with fire all the time. I still do occasionaly, but nothing fancy. I was a fireworks "expert". I even got my pyrotechnics license, AND my powdermonkey license. It is LEGAL for me to buy dynamite ... how do you like that ?
Have I harmed anyone ? NO ! (heheh, OK when I was like 7 I almost burned down a friend's storage shed :eek: ... BIG lesson learned early in life (whew!)).
Anyway, this is sounding like a rant. I am just suprised by some of the responses. They just seem like a gut reaction without much consideration for the realities of life. We do stuff for no reason, and that quite simply does not make it bad !

My basic rule:
Do whatever you want. Anything. Just don't impose on other's right to do whatever they want.
Simple, infallible, logic.
Of course our legal system has deemed it neccesary to define a few more rules, some without base in logic, but hey ... you get my point. Besides, I do illegal crap ALL THE TIME. Why am I not in trouble ? Because, for the most part, whatever I have done did not impose on anyone.
SO BURN AWAY DUDE ! Just don't do damage to anyone other than your own property or person. And if you do, stand up and be a man and take your pounishment, learn your lesson and move on. Sheesh, why is life so dang complicated ?

[Car_Head12]

round 1. jeep wins by knockout (sp?). :D

[loudpipe-maxx]

You are all sick......
*LMAO*
This is the most jacked subject I have ever read on this forum..*lol*

[MaD Scientist]

I can relate to everything you guys mentioned about liking fire and X-ploding things. What, you think I just pulled the name "MaD Scientist" outa my @#$! :D

[jeepinator]

Hey, I am not here to win a contest :rolleyes:
Serious Black is a very cool dude !
I am just debating the subject. Cool ? :p

[Jwelch]

try buying one of those spinning firecrackers, and pull off the tape that holds them together. It made crater about 2 inches deep in asphalt :D

[gubbs3]

The person who said doing something constructive with your time didn't really mean you had to build something. I'm sure everyone's parents have told them that. Little do they know what we really do...

[Jamedup]

Hey.. very low budget racer
Try arc welding some time.....but leave the cutting torch alone. :)

[Randy]

if the nitro is in the tank it will ignit i found this out when i was re-fuiling and my cigarette fell out of my mouth and into the tank. (good shot huh?) needless to say i need some new parts.

and on the plus side i dont smoke anymore thanks to my girlfriend and a thret she made. long story.

[Serius Black]

I guess having a few police officers in my family has made me think a little more about what I'm doing. I tend to look at the possible chain of events that could take place, whether by my own fault, or some environmental factor that's totally out of my control.
When I was out at Sunriver this weekend, I had a number of deer cross my path, and with them, the thought of venison. Remembering the new safari bar I had just installed on my truck, I figured I could nail one of those suckers just hard enough to kill it, whilst doing no harm to my truck. Then I thought of possible repercussions. What if I didn't hit the furry little morsel straight-on? It might crack my headlight with it's skull. Or worse, one of the antlers could puncture one of my tires. And then there's the problem of transporting the thing. What if I didn't hit the mule-steak hard enough, and I ended up with a brain damaged tornado of hooves and antlers in the cabin of my SUV?
So, you can see how a keen mind rationalizes a potentially hazardous situation. We ended up eating vegetarian pizza instead of venison steak, but my truck is unharmed.
:rolleyes:

[tylerlikes69]

If you fish with water dynamite you can blow fish up under the water... it's always made me laugh. :cool:

[Serius Black]

LOL! My stepdad told me about that. I can just imagine PETA hearing about that now.

[jeepinator]

Road venison has it's issues :p

I understand that the meat can get pretty messed up ? Like mixed with digestive chemicals, urine, poop, and whatnot. Any truth to this ?

OK, now we are getting WAY OT ... heheh sorry !


BTW, dynamite sticks are water tight. There is probably no such thing as "water dynamite". Each stick has a thick wax coating and is wrapped in wax paper. The actual explosive chemical is in the form of little BB sized balls and is suspended in wood chips (or something looking exactly like it) and only constitutes about 10% of the mass of the stick. I understand that rock blasting dynamite is quite a bit faster burning (more explosive) than the stumping grade stuff I have used.
I never had so much fun in my whole life! Putting 20 sticks of dynamite in a big bundle and stuffing it under a stump is nothing like even the biggest firework I have ever seen. And, I have seen the big stuff. I helped put on the Bend, Oregon fireworks show a couple of times now. This one time we blew a tree root about 12 feet lonf and about a foot in diameter almost 1000 feet. It's trajectory was suprisingly flat. I have never seen anything like it. It was in the air long enough to see it, track it, yell "look at that", have the other person see it, guess where it was going to land, be amazed how fast it was going and then see it land. I noted to myself that I was very happy to not be in it's trajectory :p This root flying thing is not supposed to happen, FYI. But, we were at the edge of the propert and could not place the dynamite under the uphill side, as is almost required. So, we put it under the downhill side. We learned right then why that recommendation existed :)
... and the noise ! You feel it way more than you here it. In fact it is only moderately loud (even though it can be heard for miles, it does not seem loud due to the frequency). You can FEEL it though and it makes your skin do weird things like get tingly and sweaty :p

oh boy ... babble babble babble

[Serius Black]

Oh, yeah. I forgot about the gun powder stage of my life... I'm typing this with a pencil held in my teeth, so you know how that went. :D j/k
There really was a gun powder stage, though. We won't go there...

[draggerman11]

Serius, dont we ALL have a gunpowder stage? :p

[tylerlikes69]

Yes, we do all have our gun powder stages.

And the water dynamite thing isn't real dymanite. It is some kind of fire-work like cherry bombs or m80s. They are basically really long fused, water tight (like m80s and cherrys) and they aren't that big, so the fish just usually pop off half their head and swim around... awww I'm laughing right now... anyways, umm, bye.

[gaj]

As a kid, i use to fill the trunks of plastic model cars with gas, ignite them with a wick, and watch them blow.

Lesson Learned: don't pour water on a gasoline fire!!!

[bullfrog]

lo im shocked this thread is still up well i like to take like 5 firecrackers stick em in a model car and blow it up!!! the only problem is sometimes the explosion from one firecracker blows the fuses off the others. :(

[weasel]

Gotta love those Dupont Spinners!! :D

[Pat]

ok here i go fire flammable liquids gunpowder and fuse a and something to contain it do i have to say anything more??

Well i like to blow stuff up i put a m-80(real one) in a bird house and WOW there was stuff everywhere (note there were no birds injured) but all people should have the experience in there life! well i have 15 feet of fuse and next weekend there will be noone in miles and so well im going to blow stuff up moslty dirt