Kyosho Kanai MP777 1/8 off-road buggy

[StevePond]

Information coming from Kyosho Japan suggests that development of a new version of the venerable Kanai machine could be well underway in advance of the IFMAR 1/8 Off-Road World Championship to be held in August of this year in Sweden. There's no official information available about the existence of a forthcoming new model, but Kyosho is the defending world champion in this class and will be going for an unprecedented seventh straight world title in its class.

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/kyosho/k35_1.gif

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[fezzy]

According to Neo-Buggy the next Kyosho in the Inferno series wont be branded as a 'Yuichi Kanai' Evolution, The pictures you have shown are being speculated to be part of the new Inferno, Although it doens't look radical enough for me!, Something bigger will be going down, Its probably just something to mis-lead people, Which is why Yui has a cheeky chappy grin on his face :D

[Fidelio]

funky wheels. wonder if those will hit the market.

[atm92484_3]

Thankfully they didn't go pillowball suspension; hopefully they'll hold out with the tried and true c-hub design.

[asc]

Nice buggy, me likey.

[Prelude14WRX]

didnt they just come out with number 3? why 3.5?

[masshybrid]

WHOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Can't let the wife see the credit card statement when I order this one. :D

[masshybrid]

Sorry for the double post. But the upper a-arms look alot different from the current model.

[munim]

This IFMAR is going to be wicked close, can't wait for it. Man, they should televise it or something. A couple hours of Nascar on Nascar Channel (you know what' I'm talking about) won't hurt anybody.

[Mr. Schumacher]

"Kanai" won't be named on the new ones. Probably just MP-8 or MP-8.5. Kyosho will keep the front C-hub suspension, so don't worry.

[Fidelio]

my buggy doesn't have it but the more i know about pillow balls the more i like em.
afaik they keep the front uni and bearings clean, they're beefy as heck, caster is easily adjustable.

sure they get a little loose over time but as i've heard you can wrench em down to tighten em up again but chubs have to be replaced when they get sloppy.

let me know if i'm wrong, but they seem pretty attractive to me.

[atm92484_3]

Its mostly driver preference. In all reality, they're both good designs and any top level buggy with either suspension design will be competitive. I personally do not favor pillowball suspension since you need a set-up board to properly adjust the suspension, a good hit or two will set your suspension out of alignment, and dirt can cause binding in the pillowballs. The first two of my gripes just takes a few bucks and practice to fix, but until a buggy company does what Traxxas did on the Revo (read Kyosho and Mugen -->) with the pillowball boots, I'm not interested in a car with something that important exposed.

[rc10gtisthebest]

ATM, my mbx4rr's pillow balls have never loosened on me, or has dirt ever bound them up. I hope the same holds true for my X5 i just ordered.

Back on topic.

I love the Kanai written on the shock caps.. ;) :rolleyes:

[muswagon]

Can someone explain why there are Kanai editions at all, when Degani is the WC?

[cpittmx]

if i had just bought a Kanai 3 I would not be happy to hear they were changing already! Now watch Mugen will have to keep up and my X5 will also be out dated.

[Mr. Schumacher]

First of all, Yuichi Kanai is the first Japanese driver to win IFMAR 1/8 buggy world championship. A Japanese car with a Japanese driver... plus Kanai is the DESIGNER of the INFERNO cars (since the first Inferno Burns). Kyosho put his name on the car because of his contribution and loyalty.

[Savage26]

First of all, Yuichi Kanai is the first Japanese driver to win IFMAR 1/8 buggy world championship. A Japanese car with a Japanese driver... plus Kanai is the DESIGNER of the INFERNO cars (since the first Inferno Burns). Kyosho put his name on the car because of his contribution and loyalty.

Kind of off topic, but I didn't get into RC until around 87' and I was curious about who started the 1/8th buggy thing. Was it Kyosho?

[losiguy1090]

they only came out with the k3 a couple months ago. wth are they coming out with a 3.5? those wheels are the shiznit. the car looks a lil more lo-pro.

[Mr. Schumacher]

Not sure which was the very first one but 1/8 buggy likely from Europe first. Example... Serpent (Cobra), YANKEE, SG, BMT... then Vanning and Landjump from Kyosho.

[BlutoSigPi]

Weren't they going to come out with the K3 or something like that? So why revise the old car if they are coming out with this new one? Just wonderin.

[ttweedle]

Its all about the cash flow...I know some guys that had they already bought the K3 would dump it on ebay and buy the 3.5 the day it came out...Stupid but they would do it.

[Maxxcrazy]

I think it was OFNA who first had the 1/8th scale buggy. Not sure though

[TC3Racer]

yea the first thing i noticed is the upper a-arm design. seems to be mounted back a bit farther... longer and thinner too.

as far as those rims go i think they are badass! I wish i coulda come up with something like that. If they come out with some white dish rims like that i'll definitely be picking up a pair.

[atm92484_3]

I think it was OFNA who first had the 1/8th scale buggy. Not sure though

Ofna didn't exist when companies like Kyosho and Thunder Tiger were making the welded frame 1/8 buggies back in the 80s.

[StevePond]

I don't know the chronology of it off the top of my head, but as far as I know, the Kyosho Land Jump was responsible for starting it all, in spite of the fact that the Vanning was more well known. The Kyosho Burns is the forefather of current buggies with the plate aluminum chassis and shaft drive. Thunder Tiger made buggies similar to that of the Kyosho frame buggies, as did a few Asian manufacturers. Mugen later jumped in with their Athlete. OFNA started selling the HoBao and HongNor machines quite a bit later, some of which were patterned after the Kyosho MP machines.

[masshybrid]

Hope they hurry up, I'm getting a little anxious to spend some money.

As for the wheels, the strength of a solid wheel with the ability to empty dirt through the slots. Hideous but effective.

[GT-Racing]

so a k3.5 might come out or a mp 8.0 or 8.5? im kinda lost on whats going on! i am in the market for a 1/8 and want one that will be up-to-date for at least 6 months! :rolleyes:

[losiguy1090]

hope its less money then the last 3. theyve all been overpriced for wut you get but performance is top notch. i think id rather have an x5 cuz theyre both awesome buggies and the mugen isnt overpriced.

[MikeWz]

Well I'm planning on getting a K3. I won't be able to afford it untill June so if news comes out that this one is going to be released and is actually that much better (and within the price-range, Kyohso is notorious for over priced stuff) then maybe I'll pick one up, but for now it's the K3

[GT-Racing]

MUgen has leaky diffs. that is what has steered me away from it. Its a good buggy but i dont want to have a 1 hour long main then get it back to the pits and have grenaded diff gears. Besides Kanais are just pimp!

[MikeWz]

I've never heard of Mugens having leaky diffs. I've heard of Ofna's (other than the LX because that's not made by ofna) having leaky diffs though. I just like the Kanai options better. I like the longer shocks (on the K3 at least) and the chassis better. However it's not too difficult to set-up an MBX5 like an Inferno and vice versa

[masshybrid]

MBX5's diffs DO leak. Isn't this the Kanai thread?

[BlutoSigPi]

So the K3 is what...about 800 retail...so this one is a 3.5 so lets see. 800 is to 3 as 933 is to 3.5 so this new one will probably cost 933 eh. :eek: :D

[rc10gtisthebest]

If you really knew the problem and paid the extra $2.50 for the thicker o-rings then the X5 would still be a MUCH better bargain.

[masshybrid]

If you really knew the problem and paid the extra $2.50 for the thicker o-rings then the X5 would still be a MUCH better bargain.
No kidding. I'm not looking for bargains though.

[rc10gtisthebest]

When I say bargain I mean better deal. Not like WalMart Bargain stuff.

[MikeWz]

Well not that we're way off topic and some people are getting a little heated



Do think those pictures (looking fairly similar to the Inferno already) are just what Kanai himself is working on...and Kyosho is to release something TOTALLY different...You know, Pull a traxxas

[crypt]

really do you think those pics are from the ed3.5, i don´t think that kyosho make another remake from the mp7.5, i think they must redesing a new buggy, all brands did make a new desing, except kyosho, really i will not pay 800? 900? for a remake of a buggy, if i did have the last version, if you have another buggy brand and you wanna change it yes, but having the k3 really i don´t. i think kyosho will make a new buggy, but not a remake.

[MikeWz]

I agree, and I also believe it's going to be overpriced...just like their othre buggies.

I am getting a KIII, but even if you get something like the K I or even the regular old inferno you won't be behind the times. The buggy is still excellent so it's not worth going out and selling your buggy so you can buy the newest model

[masshybrid]

I'm willing to bet that this new Kyosho buggy will equipped like other buggies( tires, no tcd diffs) AND with a lower price. The K2 sells for $750, the K3 is $650 and lost one tcd diff and two brake rotors but gained a milled chassis and ti screws. I'm going to guess that this new one will be around $600.

[MikeWz]

Where do you find the K2 for more than the K3? Any website I've seen sells the K3 at like $700 and the K2 at like $500

Anyway, from the pictures I've seen, it doesn't make me want to ditch my plans of getting a K3 and wait for it :o

[Fidelio]

what kyosho and great planes don't realise is that if they dropped the price to $500 and dropped their parts prices by 15% they could virtually eliminate the competition. would that be good or bad in the long run? who knows. but if you could buy the best for the same as the rest, why would you buy anything else?

everyone i've talked to who's running something other than a kyosho, does so simply because of the cost of the buggy and parts.

i just don't know why kyosho doesn't make the 7.5 their loss leader until they totally dominate the market. you know, pull a microsoft.

[atm92484_3]

So is the 'MP-triple 7' really the next Kyosho or is there going to be a different and newer buggy debuted in 2 weeks in Japan?

[Motorman007]

here is some of the info i found earlier today about the new buggy.

it will be out in July more like augs.

so here you go some of my old sites i used back when i had my site going.

http://www.rc-sharaku.com/newdeta.htm

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i will try to order one at end of july.

man

[OldskoolGT]

From what I can tell in the little pictures at the neo-buggy site, the 777 looks like the next generation buggy. I think what was presumed to be the K3.5 is indeed the 777.

Fidelio,

I doubt any company could monopolize the buggy market. There's always some company willing to make stuff cheaper, and people like different stuff just for the sake of being different (even if its inferior).

[masshybrid]

It's due out in late July or August? That's near the end of nitro season up here. :(

[atm92484_3]

So that means we should see the car state-side just in time for Christmas (hopefully). Better start saving now since you know a new car needs a new engine, pipe, servos... :p

Atleast it looks like Kyosho isn't going to piss around with releasing a regular version first then a factory version later.

[Mr. Schumacher]

Exclusive information about the new features of the MP-777

- Gearboxes now have an 'X' for added strength inside.
- Gearboxes now same material as K3 Arms (fragmented carbon)
- Longer lower arms
- Lower arms moved more to the centre
- New optional 2mm carbon servo saver plate, new design of the servo saver plate
- 2mm lower radioplate (No laydown servos)
- Engine & centre diff moved forward a little bit
- Chassis will be 2mm bigger (maybe longer/wider?)
- Small changes to both shock towers
- New longer reinforced upper arms curve (like MBX5)
- New 4mm shock shafts, larger shocks (width, length) New caps
- New lower servo saver design, steering will be from the outside
- New more aerodynamic body

[Mr. Schumacher]

Here's a new picture from Kyosho France. It shows the new lower arms design.

http://kyosho.fr/kmag/777/777-2.jpg

[cbr74]

4mm shock shafts...

[MikeWz]

How wide are the Kanai Shafts? I've never heard of there being a problem with them

[cbr74]

3.5, I think? The thing that concerns me is... larger diameter shock shafts make for more contact area at the o-rings.. more contact area = more friction. Also... the extra volume displaced by that larger shock shaft has to be compensated for... which means a larger bladder and less over-all oil in the shock body. Now the difference might be totally un-noticeable... but maybe not?

[MikeWz]

Well I would assume that if Kyosho had any brains they would make the shock body a bit wider too so that it could hold some more oil. My thing is it would take more to move a bigger shaft through the oil, which would make the action a bit slower....no?

[Fidelio]

the current kyosho super shocks (kanai) have 3.5mm shafts.

mugen shocks also have 3.5mm shafts but have a wider body for more oil. this also means you have to use mugen springs though. who knows, maybe kyosho will make a wider body shock.

all i know is 4mm would be a super mega ultra heavy duty shock shaft. think about it, that's the size of the hinge pin you can see in that shot. :p

[GT-Racing]

does anyone know how this will stack up against the new Thunder Tiger buggy?

[atm92484_3]

Considering neither cars are in production yet, no one is going to be able to give you anything but opinions as to which car is better. From past cars, the Kyoshos have always been better than the TTRs in quality, durability, and parts support, but in the hands of some very capable drivers, the TTR buggies have done pretty good at pro level races. Its pretty much impossible to determine how they will stack up until both cars are in production and people have driven them.

[MikeWz]

I think they'll be pretty close. If TT did their homework and took in feedback from their pro drives I'm sure they'll have made quite a few mods from the previous buggies.

Still worried about those shocks :o

[GT-Racing]

yea of course but i was wondering weight,feautres, 4wd system etc............those things and how the 2 stack up. I am lookig at these two buggies!

[Mr. Schumacher]

Here's some new pictures from Kyosho France.

http://kyosho.fr/kmag/777/777-2.jpg
http://kyosho.fr/kmag/777/777-3.jpg

[MikeWz]

What is kyosho using to cover up the shock shafts in that picture and where can I get some?

[KanaiDude]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV171&P=Z

Looks like they still didn't fix the pin that holds the bottom of the shocks in place, I guess I will continue dremeling a little piece flat on each pin...

[Fidelio]

can't you thread a screw in there instead?

[Crash Landon]

I feel sorry for the poor Kanai3 owning club racer that will feel compelled to buy this new buggy just because he thinks this new revamped version will give him 'the extra edge'. Seriously, if you already own the Kanai III, then don't bother with this crap. Invest that money towards the next racing season..

[Fidelio]

even with a k2 you're better off spending the money on tires, gas, and track fees imo.

[MikeWz]

Hell, even the standard inferno will do you just fine. The stock inferno is comparable to the MBX5 and the MBX does fine at races.

Kanaidude-It says the boots are only for the "Turbo shocks". Does the Kanai III come with "Turbo Shocks"?

[atm92484_3]

Those boots will fit the Kanai shocks just fine. Kyosho simply does some recycling on things like shock components.

[Fidelio]

in my experience the rubber boots (kyosho) are also much more durable than the silicone boots from other makers.

[MikeWz]

I've tried a few things and those are the only ones that actually look nice and look like they won't bind up the shocks. I've tried those shock sockz or whatever and they tend to get in the way of the spring compressing all they way sometimes.

[Motorman007]

<a href="http://www.kyoshofrance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=5007&forum=11&start=150">new k 777</a>

[Motorman007]

and if you can not read FRENCH here is a Translater

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

[MikeWz]

Well I'm going to assume from the pictures that some people already have the buggy. I'm not exactly fluent in my spanish/italian/whatever language they're speaking so I'm not really sure. Can anybody translate? :p

[philadater]

no one has the buggy yet, apart from kanai himself. top euro drivers will get theirs in a week or so

[atm92484_3]

It may not be a huge change from the current K2/K3's but its still a nice looking buggy that without a doubt is going to be a great racer.

[fourboltmain]

It looks like its going to be offered in three different levels. The base model, the "Worlds" model and the "Worlds" model with the Kanai engine, but no pipe.

[Mr. Schumacher]

There's not much surprise on the new car. I just don't like the rear arms set because you have to get spare left and right arms individually. Plus, it comes with plastic rear arm mount (even the "Special" version). 4mm shock shaft is overdone IMO... one day we'll see 5mm ones. I see one thing still share with all previous models (MP-5, MP-6, MP-7.5) which is the front knuckles!

[MikeWz]

Well I don't mind so much the front knuckles not being changed. Not a huge fan of the 4mm shocks. Seems to me like they'd compress too slow because they have to displace more. I love the idea of being able to buy arms in single packages. I can't tell you how many spare arms I have lying around because I break one more than the other :rolleyes:

[cbr74]

Ya know... I look at that... and I look at my Lightning Pro... and I look at that... and I have no regrets.

[losiguy1090]

whys that?

[cbr74]

Because.. for as much money as they get for those buggies... they oughta be stop you in your tracks impressive... and that one just isn't.

Conversely... I look at the LP.. and think.. I only paid $300 for this?!

[slant930]

I like the look of the 777 and I have the ok from the boss to by one, I hope its here in the States by Christmas.

I am not sure if the 4mm shock shafts are overkill or not, I am still running 3mm on my MP-6 Int.'s. I just cut 2-3mm off the bottom of the shaft so it screws into the ball end further and have yet to break one/ only bend one in a bad wreck. But hey what ever keeps ya running and racing!!

I do wish Kyosho would do something about the lower shock pin, either 1.) machine a flat on the pin so I don't have to-(getting lazy in my old age), or 2.) reduce the pin diameter where the set screw sits.

[atm92484_3]

Because.. for as much money as they get for those buggies... they oughta be stop you in your tracks impressive... and that one just isn't.

Conversely... I look at the LP.. and think.. I only paid $300 for this?!

Theres 1 design that works in 1/8 buggies; no company is going to be stupid enough to make a cool looking design that isn't going to win races. This is the main reason every buggy is a clone of the 7.5 or the MBX5 (and even then, the differences are minimal between the two cars). I agree the Lightning is one hell of a good deal in a buggy, but there are still areas where you can tell why the Kyoshos cost more compared to its cousin the Lightning. Its as simple as this for most people: run what your RC budget allows and enjoy it.

[MikeWz]

I agree with running what you can afford. However, Kyosho buggies are super expensive. They are WAY overpriced. And it's not just their buggies. It's everything they sell. I was going to get their T-33 EDF kit, but you can get them much cheaper from other companies, and you know what, the Kyosho ones are no better

[atm92484_3]

Its not so much Kyosho that raises up prices; its Great Planes Model Distributors. Being the only U.S. distributor for the Kyosho line (and O.S. and Futaba air radios for that matter), they can do whatever they want price wise. If are willing to spend some time searching and/or waiting for delivery, you can get imported Kyosho products for a lot less.

I do agree though that Kyosho is one of the more pricey RC companies, but for their 1/8 scales, you cannot argue that you do get a top notch product for the money. From personal experience, you can either spend the money up front and get a Kyosho or Mugen or you can get a cheaper buggy and replace parts made with cheaper materials throughout the course of the racing season; all just about even out price wise in the long run.

[Fidelio]

http://joybox.hp.infoseek.co.jp/shs04/shs04123.jpg

[HIRISK]

It is interesting to see in the above photo that the wheels, wing and body are all yellow. I wonder if they are moving away from their trademark green colour scheme?

[jaypark28]

it is just my guess. but it might be that mp777's wheel and wing are yellow so that Kyosho can later release something like mp777 KANAI EDITION with green wing and wheels.... i don;t know.... maybe...

[philadater]

i think they're just trying to differentiate from the "its just another kanai edition..." image, if they change the colour a little this might help

[Blaster]

A friend gave me the link of Shizuoka show. Here are some "live" pics of the buggy, along with the new Kyosho Monster Truck. :D

http://www.pbase.com/mmakino/radiocon_show_shizuoka&page=2

[Revival]

WWOOOWWWW!!!!! to the new Kyosho MT twin engine fun.........There goes my plans to get a buggy.......:D....Strange location for the fuel tanks though.....

[senvek]

Let me first start by saying that though I have been into r/c cars since 1986, I have never gotten competetive. Kyosho is one reason why. Their vehicles are great, but much like pro football and basketball, it has come down to the guy with the most money wins. To me, it is insane to sell an r/c for $800 and still have to buy $200+ worth of engine, $100 in exhaust and we don't even want to discuss radio equipment. As long a factory drivers get what they want in order to win races, there is little interest for me to see if I have a place on the driver's stand. Kudos to Kyosho for making a great car but boo to Great Planes for msking our hobby so expensive that many people who would otherwise be involved, sit on the sideline because you fail to be realistic. Compare an Inferno to a GS, Lightning, Hyper 7, etc. It is nauseating to think that some guy busting his butt at a local track to hone his skills will get beat by some less skilled driver with more money...

[atm92484_3]

Thats not true. The Inferno may be the best in many peoples' eyes (including mine), but it is NOT required to be competitive. Last season, I admit that I was beat a few times by a guy running an MBX4 with a 21 RG engine simply because he outdrove me, my 7.5, and the V01b.

You need to start someplace, and if a Kyosho doesn't fit your budget but you want a buggy, get an Ofna, GS, Hot Bodies, XTM, or the like and learn how to drive the car to its maximum potential, then worry about dropping the big bucks and upgrading. For a less expensive chassis, I'm partial to the Hot Bodies Lightning for its copy of a proven design and its proven capabilities on the track. If you start with a less expensive chassis, theres a good chance you'll pick up a good radio system, engine, and exhaust along the way anyways; all of this will make the step up to a more expensive buggy all the less costly since you can just transfer equipment from chassis to chassis.

Just remember that cars don't win races; drivers do. Good equipment in the RC world helps wins, but even the most expensive cars don't drive themselves.

[cpittmx]

Thats not true. The Inferno may be the best in many peoples' eyes (including mine), but it is NOT required to be competitive. Last season, I admit that I was beat a few times by a guy running an MBX4 with a 21 RG engine simply because he outdrove me, my 7.5, and the V01b.

You need to start someplace, and if a Kyosho doesn't fit your budget but you want a buggy, get an Ofna, GS, Hot Bodies, XTM, or the like and learn how to drive the car to its maximum potential, then worry about dropping the big bucks and upgrading. For a less expensive chassis, I'm partial to the Hot Bodies Lightning for its copy of a proven design and its proven capabilities on the track. If you start with a less expensive chassis, theres a good chance you'll pick up a good radio system, engine, and exhaust along the way anyways; all of this will make the step up to a more expensive buggy all the less costly since you can just transfer equipment from chassis to chassis.

Just remember that cars don't win races; drivers do. Good equipment in the RC world helps wins, but even the most expensive cars don't drive themselves.

agreed I have had the spank layed down on my MBX-5 by a Hyper-7 with a better driver more than once. (with the rtr equipment none the less and I have a $300 engine and $230 radio which is the cost of his whole set-up)

[Sorcerer001]

The most revolutionary thing Kyosho could do with the MP buggies (and most of it's line) is to align the price point a little closer to it's competition. I wouldn't classify the Hyper 7 Pro as a direct competitor in terms of fit and finish, but OFNA gives twice the product for half the price.
I've got several friends that have purchased different variations of the Kanai cars, and now all but one has switched over the Mugen. It wasn't the performance - the Kyosho is as good or better in that department than it's competitors - but parts support, cost of replacement parts, and a few problem areas on the cars added up to too much frustration. If I'm going to swing $700+ for a rolling chassis, you better be giving me the most durable car out there. An assortment of diff fliud, shock oils, shock springs, and some threadlock would probably make the sting a little less painful.

[senvek]

I'll be honest...I had a Turbo Ultima and an Optima mid (tells you how old I am) and i liked them, but that was a day when electric was cheap...before $85 batteries and $300 chargers, with bump boxes. I have loved R/C for awhile, and though I am not happy that Kyosho seems to buy off the good drivers to represent them well, I have always had a soft spot for them. However, as long as I can remember, they have always been a Great Planes Distribu. product. Great Planes sucks rocks! They are slow. They are expensive (compare Nitro house OFNA products to Tower Hobbies: result, as much as 15% higher price!!!) and at times seemingly uninterested in supporting the customers that support them. As long as you give them the money they ask, your transaction with them is done. This leaves me at a terrible conjuncture: I would love to get the new Inferno, but I don't want to deal with GP or Tower for the above mentioned reasons, so i am resigned to looking elsewhere. Mugen is not that far behind, but perhaps a little more reasonable in price. What would you guys suggest? Bear in mind, I have "bashed" for years, and am only now in my 30s deciding to try racing...sounds like I need to take my Prozac, doesn't it?

[tony1034]

Ahhhh .......I loved my Optima. I still have it up in the attic along with a backup parts car. :)

I also still have my old Delta 1/12 4cell car. Delta went outta business.

Tony P.

[eternaldragon]

the only kyosho i have is two old inferno-dx 2's but i like my thundertiger eb-4 limited edition much more and i can still out run and out corner the kyosho k3 and that's with 14t clutch bell ofna 01-bp engine and rex 086 pipe and the price was right only $220.00 for the buggy with the engine and the pipe was only $20.00

[HYPA]

Just letting you guys know the MP777 is available on RC Mushroom for $420USD and $675USD for the Special 1 Edition. I have ordered from these guys before and their service is great. I paid for standard shipping and got my items in 4 days and I am in Australia. Check it out here http://rc-mushroom.com/advanced_search_result.php?osCsid=08bba29a4294113e f803e9eef5a8b711&keywords=MP777&osCsid=08bba29a4294113ef803e9eef5a8b711

[quaid]

Hi guys,

Just wanted to add to the availability spectrum. The Kyosho 777 - standard edition is available at www.hobbypit.com (http://www.hobbypit.com). The price is not as low as the mushroom.. but it is "in stock" currently.

have fun.

[jtkc2001]

Here is my opinion and I have raced for many years and race in many national races like the Kyosho Challange and Mugen Seiki races. I raced the Mugen Seiki race this last weekend and I have a Kanai 3. as I ahve had 2 Kanai 2 buggy previously. Anyway, there was 3 Kyosho sponsered drivers who had the new Kyosho MP 777 and we all did some comparison side by side. I can honestly say I was not really impressed as the Kanai 3 is already an awesome buggy, but I am so tired of the darn froint hub carriers breaking. Anyway after 7 years of racing I am going to try a Mugen MBX5 for testing replies as those MBX5 look very good and I love the carbon fiber parts for a lighter vehicle. The new MP 777 did change the arms, steering servo linkage setup, servo saver, transponder mounting area and a few other small areas. Either way it is awesome but still overpriced, when you consider a SportWerks Mayhem Pro has all the features and is a lot cheaper, same goes for other kits. So many decisions and they are all starting to look alike. I am going to try out a MUGEN MBX5 and possibly the new SportWerks Mayhem Pro as i can get parts for the Mugen about anywhere.

As far as the Kanai 3 and kanai 2, save you money and get the kanai 2 as the Kanai 2 has all the good features, but as far as the MP 777, whoopy.
When will Kyosho lay down the steering servo like everyone else for lower center of gravity? PLUS are they going to include SOLID chassis braces (torque rods) as those plastic end braces are crap.

[T/Losi]

I take it that Kyosho must like that green color :)
That better hope that everyone else does.

Cheers

[schnitzer]

When will Kyosho lay down the steering servo like everyone else for lower center of gravity? PLUS are they going to include SOLID chassis braces (torque rods) as those plastic end braces are crap.

As far as laydown servo is concerned, its good to have but not necessary as the bulk of the weight of the servo is at the bottom. And for the torque rod, may I ask how many have ever notice how your buggy behave differently using a torque rod and a torque brace. IMO, the torque rod is used in the standard MBX5 and Kanai kits as they are meant to give the chassis some amount of flex under load. Technically, this will made the chassis more forgiving and easier to drive for those who cannot setup well for the particular track. Unless you are an expert driver who can set up really well, torque rod actually do more good than harm, less the bling bling. Many of the drivers, including myself, put the aluminium torque braces and took the torque rod out as it has become the first thing to mod for added bling bling factor. I had since change back to torque rod and trust me, you will feel a difference.

Just me 2cents.

Cheers