GS Racing Storm and Storm Pro v2.0

[DarkstaR1st]

sry ... i don't have one

[doesgo]

Nor do I.

[sugs]

There's a complete rear diff on ebay right now. It's for the SUT but I believe they are identical.

[RespirologyRC]

I saw it they want 23.00 plus shipping. i just needed the case. I destroyed the mounts for the wing stay. So now I need new screws and a complete bulkhead. The gears are fine but the entire thing is scrapped:) I had lots of fun though

[doesgo]

Respiro, I might have have a case after all. I'll check tonight. I forgot I bought some spare parts from a guy who was selling off all his Storm stuff last summer and the items aren't in my regular Storm parts bin.

What were you doing to destroy that thing, anyway? Definitely sounds like fun! :)

[doesgo]

I do have a bulkhead/case! Two of them, to be precise, one new and one used. Both are currently assembled (diff inside) but I can pull one apart and send it your way, along with whatever screws you need. Let me know what you want to do, either here or via e-mail at doesgo@slapmafro.com.

[stonesavage]

gsracing is releasing a new buggy the cl-1 pro and a new sut se (longer chassis n fironi style hingepins! PIXS ASAP.

[stonesavage]

http://www.modelcar.pt/GSNews.htm

[RespirologyRC]

"Respiro, I might have have a case after all. I'll check tonight. I forgot I bought some spare parts from a guy who was selling off all his Storm stuff last summer and the items aren't in my regular Storm parts bin.

What were you doing to destroy that thing, anyway? Definitely sounds like fun!"

Doesgo--check out my thread in the Nitro forum on :" modified engine goes bang"
I have a bunch of pictures of what I like to do and what I consider fun. Granted this is not how I treat all my R/C's but this was one of the most fun I've had with an engine. Let me know what you think.

PS Nice screws, thanks Bruce!!! I already placed the slapmafro stickers all over the place!!

[doesgo]

Wow, that was quite a project! Very interesting, and definitley sounds like fun to learn about all that stuff and really try to figure out what works through experience rather than reading.

Glad you like the screws and stickers, Respiro! Your latest shipment went out yesterday. Thanks again!

[RespirologyRC]

Thank you very much. The first set of screws are super sweet. I haven't installed them yet --waiting for the bulkheads. When I do receive them I'll post pics so that all can see how much clean the chassis look with them

[johannsy]

[B]can anybody help me what do I need to change parts for SUT Pro version before I go racing.

[krisI.925]

Im going to be getting a storm plus soon. And I just want to know how the stock engine is. Does it have desent power and is it reliable? I have heard that it only has one need for tuning. Is that true?

[doesgo]

I hear it's an upgrade from the B01 that came in the older Storm RTR and I really like that engine, so I'd have to say it's a pretty darn good engine for bashing or club-level racing. I found that an RB 086 pipe really helped to wake up my B01, too, and mine ran flawlessly race after race with zero flame-outs. As for needles, I'd be beyond shocked if it only had one needle for carb adjustments!

[krisI.925]

Ok great, its been a while since I owned a nitro so I really just want something reliable with desent power. If I find a good deal online for an RB pipe I might pic one up. But otherwise they are just expensive for me :) .

[doesgo]

Yeah, definitely expensive! Keep your eyes out though, you never know what you'll run across. So far I've gotten two dented ones for free (just pop them out with the freezer trick) and one more I paid about $20 for. Three 086s for $20! :)

[krisI.925]

ya you gotta keep your eye open, thats how I got a good deal on my storm. also does anyone want some aluminum for there storm? I have the feeling im going to be getting some stuff soon and can probably sell some al stuff pretty cheap :) .

[Gmanlusk2004]

i am actually gettin kind of frustrated with my storm. all of my screws are backing out of the plastic. it's really annoying, i check them before i run everytime, then i go through about 3 tanks of gas and i check them again and they are gone! damn it's really pissin me off. my screws that are metal to metal i've loctited but i didn't think i was supposed to do that for metal to plastic. anyway any suggestions? i'm actually thinking about sellin my storm and getting a new buggy. but i dunno what. maybe a monster truck.

later,
Garrett

[wothrottle]

I experinced the same with all my models over time,just add super glue to the screw hole,wait,drill and taper.

[doesgo]

Wow, I've never experienced that, Gman! Very strange. I think machine-thread screws might help with their higher threads-per-inch count, but I'm not positive on that. I've heard of people using CA glue on screws going into plastic but I've never needed to try it so I can't say for certain how well it works. Good luck.

[Gmanlusk2004]

well yeah i asked around and it is a common complaint. not just for gs but for r/c models in general. it makes sense if you think about it. i'm hurling an object of about 5 pounds 30 feet in the air at 50mph. of course this $#!+ is gonna happen.

later,
Garrett

[Gmanlusk2004]

btw, who ever says that an O.S. rg isn't fast is stupid. this is my favorite engine out of all i've had. i've had an O.S. vz-b too. :eek:

[krisI.925]

the RG isnt fast. Well not compared to engines like the C5 anyways. It doesnt even have a sliced conrod. But anyway screws backing out is always a big problem. I just loctite them whether they go in plastic or not. And do you guys think hinge pin braces are a nessessary upgrade? I see a lot of people run them but no one tells me that I should get them.

[wothrottle]

hey guys,hope you can help me:

-which parts and procedure di I need to convert the 02 engine to non-pullstart?

-which glow plugs are best suited for this motor?

[Gmanlusk2004]

well what i mean by fast is for most tracks. most tracks around here are designed for 1/10th scale so this is as fast as i need it to be. so it is fast and competitive, that's what i mean.
Later,
Garrett

[DarkstaR1st]

Well... Kris... Hingepin braces are adviced!! It'll make your storm THAT much stronger!!

It's a MUST HAVE if you drive the SUT

[krisI.925]

To convert the engine alls you need to buy is a new backplate for the engine. Just rip out everything pull starter related and bolt on the new back plate. Then your done.

I think I will wait till I break something to do any upgrading. I finaly got this thing broken in and had some fun with it today :) . And I must say my favorite part about this buggy is the engine. Always starts with in the first 3 pulls, runs cool, idles strong, and so easy to tune. The only problem I had with it was a couple stalls but that was due to a bad plug.

I run the Megatech Mediums with the platinum/iridium(did you know this stuff is commonly found on meteroites and not earth) coil, mainly because I got 10 of them in a trade deal. Seem to work great.

[sugs]

I know this is a different motor, but on my GS B01 I had to dremel off the pull starter engagement pin on the crankshaft in order to get the backplate to fit properly as it would scrape against the new backplate once the screws were tightened.

[krisI.925]

hey what airfilter do you guys use? I ran the stock one for a few tanks in some gravel and a hole crap load of dirt got into the carb :mad: now I have to rip apart the whole engine and clean it and pray that theres no air leaks.

[doesgo]

Been there, done that! The covered element is a neat idea, but in reality it only prevents you from seeing how filthy and dirty the filter really is! That's what caused my engine to suck dirt last year.

I used the traditional OFNA buggy style filter, OFNA #10017. Simple, reliable, and easy to use and clean. You can get them through Tower Hobbies for $5.69 and we (SlapMaFro.com) have them in stock as well for $5.29. doesgo@slapmafro.com if you're interested.

[ashxxxnt]

hello ive got a rtr plus. not to bad on speed but just little things wrong with it. a repalced all servos. and radio . helps so much. my ? is what diff weight should you use. the track is pretty much loose. and i push realy bad. also how do you fill up the diffs do you pack it as full as possible or how. also what spring . gs offers short, med and long. long for the back. butt which for the front. i was reading somewher to replace the bushings in the streeing with bearings but cant find out waht size they are because my streing is kind of stiff binding. i took it a part and put lube on the bushings would the bearings free up the streeing. which body fit the rtr plus the stock clear body is like almost 30 bucks. soory for so many questions thanks A

[t9dragon]

Here is the diff weights to use is 5k in front, 7k in center, and 1k in rear you can also try 3k, 4k, and 1k for a smoother feel. I think you can also use the Pro-Line body for the MP7.5 buggy on the Storm, it costs about $24.00 to $30.00 depending on where you get it from.

[doesgo]

I'm with t9dragon on the weights, something like 5/7/1 or 3/5/1 seems best for most conditions, at least as a starting point. Only fill them up until the fluid is even with the cross bars, try not to overfill it.

I run OFNA light blue springs all the way around, two fronts and two rears (can't remember exactly what they're called though). The Kyosho blues are essentially the same as the OFNAs, just more expensive. I didn't try other springs for comparison, but I really like the OFNAs for my track and driving style.

Steering-wise, GET BEARINGS! They can make a huge difference. Sometimes bushings don't seem bad, but they can kind of bind up on you in a hurry, then you're in trouble. Get bearings and you're set. They're 6mm x 10mm and you'll need four of them. Definitely worth the investment. The best source seems to be Tower Hobbies where you can get a 10-pack of Duratrax bearings for around $18.00. You only need four, but spares are always nice, especially since many vehicles run that same size from truggies to buggies to monster trucks.

Bodies that fit the Kyosho MP7.5 are supposed to fit the Storm pretty well, although I haven't tried one.

[krisI.925]

Just dont use the HB lightning body. Doesnt fit at all, lol. I have heard that the crowd pleaser fits the storm.

As for bearings in the steering I think your better off just buying the pro steering bracket, I think its 28 bucks and comes with bearings. Generally you fill the diffs 3/4 full with the fluid.

[doesgo]

That Pro steering bracket doesn't come with the bearings he's talking about. I'm pretty sure he's referring to the bushings/bearings in the steering posts.

Nevertheless, the Pro steering plate IS a good idea!

[krisI.925]

Doesgo, how was you engine after it swallowed all that dirt. I just reassembled mine after a complete tear down and cleaning and only really found dirt in the carb and in the crank. Dont know if thats good or bad. But there was a good amount of dirt in there. Now looking at the compression stroke thru the rear exhaust port I can see and hear air leaking between the piston and the sleeve. I dont know if this is because I have to run a bit and develop a new seal or what. But I dont think its good :(

[ashxxxnt]

what does the diff fluid do realy with the differnt weights. for traction and pushing stuff like that.

[doesgo]

Any dirt is bad, but I see no reason not to give it a shot after cleaning it out really well. I ended up having my sleeve pinched and haven't really run it much since then, but so far so good (after the pinching).

No, the air leaking past the piston is bad, that (plus bearing damage) is usually what causes the problems from dirt. Lost compression and pinch is bad. When I pulled mine apart I wiped it out and then put the piston in the sleeve to see how high it would travel. It actually came out of the sleeve by about 1/8"! Not good. After pinching it was back to normal, maybe 3/16" from the top of the sleeve when pushing upwards on the piston/rod.

OSRocket will do the pinching on virtually any engine for $15 each plus $5 for shipping for the entire order (last time I checked). I had him pinch five sleeves for me last time and the two I've actually had time to run since pinching have been great!

[doesgo]

The diff oil slows down the differential action. No oil means there's virtually no resistance preventing one wheel from taking all the power and spinning while the other sits there doing nothing. The thicker you go with diff oil the more drag there is between the gears which makes them try to turn at the same rate. Take that to the extreme and put Silly Putty in there and you have a full locker, which means anything one wheel does, the other does the same thing. Sounds like fun, until you realize you can't even go in a straight line because both rear tires (and/or front tires) are constanly spinning on the surface and there's nothing there to keep you going in a straight line. My buddy put OFNA's "Diff Lock" lube in all three of his buggy's diffs because he thought it'd be fun, but now it's virtually undriveable because of it. Don't be tempted to go too thick.

[krisI.925]

well the piston doesnt go all the way through. I would say a couple millimeters from the top. And the bearings seem fine. I can still lift the whole buggy by the pull start but after a couple seconds the piston gives. This weekend when I get some time off ill give it a shot and see how it runs. I really hope I dont need a new piston and sleeve. Im broke enough as it is from college :( .

[doesgo]

Definitely worth a try, doesn't cost anything to do that! And if if's dead, seriously give consideration to having the sleeve pinched. Much cheaper than a new P/S!

[krisI.925]

Well I finaly got a chance to run my storm last night when the temperature cooled off to 94 :rolleyes: with 99% humidity. But despite the incredibly fricken hot weather the engine ran great. Still has loads of compression and it ran so well I didnt even bother tuning it. :)

Also Im giving the stock airfilter another try. When I ran it before the filter wasnt really oiled and I figured out I didnt have that dust cover on the right way. I cleaned and oiled it with K&N airfilter oil and now its working great :) . Many people suggested air filters like the ofna's but the GS one is pretty much the same except it has a mud cover which I like. :)

[sugs]

Hmmm. That gives me hope for my engine. I was running at a very dusty track for practice and the filter had popped off and I didn't know it for several minutes. Guess I'll have to throw her back together and see what happens.

[doesgo]

Glad to hear the good news, kris! Fantastic. The GS air filter works as well as any other, I just found that the mud guard, while doing the job for which it is intended, makes it easy to forget to check the condition of the air filter element. If you're good at regular maintenance and check your filter regularly, it's great.

[smoky]

hey guys i want to convert my storm to a truggy and was wondering if anyone could give me some advice . maybe if theyve done it before or are also doing it ant help would be great. thanks aloot.

[doesgo]

What kind of advice are you looking for? How to? Parts needed? Tips and tricks?

[KyoshoKev]

Hi guys. i been looking at a front Storm/Fioroni Tracktion Diff for my MBX5.. i seen pictures of it and am a bit confused as to how it works...

http://www.meganitro.com/Fioroni%20parts.htm/STMP7A_R.jpg

how is the bevel gear supposed to drive the crown gear?

[sugs]

I think you are looking at a center diff without the spur attached. Any part #?

[krisI.925]

Well I shattered a A-arm today. Doing about 35 through some dirt and got some sun in my eys, then I see a whole bunch of chucks of dirt flyen. Turns out I smashed a rock with my front left arm and took a hinge pin with it. :( Im debating whether or not to hold onto my Storm. Its a great buggy and I really like it, but I think I just need something thats more offroad capable.

[KyoshoKev]

here is a pic of the front torsen, see there is no extra crown for it

http://www.meganitro.com/Fioroni%20mp777.htm

[sugs]

Ok Kev, check out this link. I think its the same diff. The description says that the torsen requires the original conical/crown gear from your standard diff.

http://www.gsracing.com/web/page.asp?pgs=product&catid=4&id=2

Wait just one minute, here is a link that is specifically for the mugen and it comes with the gear.

http://www.gsracing.com/web/page.asp?pgs=product&catid=4&id=8

[KyoshoKev]

oh ok that clears it up... i think you need a fioroni conical gear... coz the original mugen conical gear it has 4 holes. cheers

[smoky]

im basically looking for all of that info any info would help can i just buy the ofna hub adapters and throw them on there? how should i gear it . is there any more parts i would need. i was looking at native racings long arm conversion but id like to do it a lot cheaper than $250 since im only going to bash it anyway. like i said ay help info exp anything would be great.


p.s can i just follow the article in rc nitro to do it that seems the cheapest way so far? thanks

[sugs]

Smoky, I believe GS makes a conversion kit for the storm to make it into the original sut. Here's a link.

https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/seekpart.pl?pn=GS2007

[krisI.925]

Basically alls you will need are tires, spur gear, center diff spacers and top plate, and servo plate. You will also probably want the SUT mud guards as well. I was going to convert my storm to a truggy and I bought some dominater wheels with maxx mulchers for it. I just got a new job and am moving and Im short on cash so its going to have to wait. So if you want some nice tires I can probably sell them to you cheap.

[doesgo]

kris, with that kind of impact, do you think any other buggy would survive better? I'm not sure anything could have survived.

Some time ago I was questioning whether to keep my Storm, but I've been putting it through HELL lately and it just keeps coming back for more. Most durable vehicle I've got right now (out of eight), I'm sure glad I've kept it!

[krisI.925]

No doesgo I dont think anything out there probably could have survived that. The storm did take it well. Only the front part of the arm was busted the rest of it was still hanging on there. I actually finished the tank of fuel with it like that too. :p The reason why I am questioning to get rid of it isnt because of its durability, its because I have ruff terrain all around me and the buggy really doesnt take it well. It always hitten bumps and hoppen all over the place and I can never really get the thing past 20mph most of the time. Thats why Im considering an MT or a truggy. Iv also been considering just getting out of RC all together for now. I just signed a check yesterday for $1130 for rent and thats a lot of money to a poor college student like me. :( Cheaper than living on campus tho. Not only that but between my 2 jobs, and my girlfriend, and working on my parents' house I just hardly have the time to look at the thing let alone run it.

[doesgo]

Ahhh, I guess I can understand that. Hope you can work it out to keep it, but some things are much more important than RC!

[brains]

Hi

Is anyone driving the CL 1. Had mine out for the first time and would like to compaire notes.

[Haydo63]

Hey Doesgo can you please appologise for your above comment. Because there is nothing more important than RC. LOL just messing.

And brains where did you get you CL-1 from ive been looking for a while and cant find it.

[doesgo]

My apologies, Haydo! ;)

[fantom16]

Hi all. I have just ordered a Storm Pro.

Just wondering about the buggy springs, the two tone coloured ones. Is this standard on the Storms? or are they hop ups? ifso where do you get the from and which company makes them? Are the two seperate springs?

Cheers

[brains]

And brains where did you get you CL-1 from ive been looking for a while and cant find it.[/QUOTE]

I'm in South Africa, recieved stock about two weeks ago.Not sure when the rest of the countries are recieving stock. :confused:

Later
Mark

[brains]

I think there are about 12 springs,long, med, short, they are a hop up made by GS.I found mine at my local GS dealer. Get the up grade pistons (white) and dust boots while you are about it.

Later
Mark

Just wondering about the buggy springs, the two tone coloured ones. Is this standard on the Storms? or are they hop ups? ifso where do you get the from and which company makes them? Are the two seperate springs?

[NitroCuda]

My storm, i use it mainly for bashing. Buying a buggy better suited for racing soon like a SP2...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v681/Nitromonster/bod1.jpg
(Body looks a lot better in person)

Got some Pro chassis braces and steering plates on the way. If you guys didnt know GS is have a big clearance sale on a lot of storm stuff, Buy 1 Get 1 free! :D

[evilpob]

I ordered my CL-1 the other day, i hope to receive it today..

I got mine from here http://www.angliamodelcentre.com in the UK.

I will come back with some feed back when i get my radio back from repair..

going to drop a OS V-Spec in to it..

:) :D

[cableguy69]

I've got two races on my CL-1 now and It's ok, but I have a used mugen mbx-5 coming to compare. I am not a heavily experienced driver, but It seems to take a good while to settle down after landing jumps. The back end is a handful at times and it can be hard to stay on power through turns.

I think they have had problems with that and thats why they recommend 500 wt or grease in the back diff to try to combat this. I think GS is close but I think there probably needs to be a CL-2 made.

I will say, that through two days of racing, I didn't break a single part. In practice, I broke a wing mount that is really poorly designed, but the Mugen mbx-5 mount is almost an exact switch and is better designed.