Japenese drift car R/C's [Archive]

Techno Duck

01-08-2004, 03:12 PM

I believe Yokomo is releasing all the drifting stuff, if it catches on (which im sure it will) im sure many aftermarket companies will follow suit. From what ive read, Yokomo is releasing a touring car just for drifting and it is electric. They have a whole slew of stuff coming out which im pretty sure is universal between most touring cars, nitro and electric. Check out the drifting thread in the general discussion forum.

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=149329

Everything is supposed to hit retail in January...in Japan however. Who knows when itll reach the US, hopefully soon though!

R/Cracing00

01-08-2004, 03:21 PM

yeah they do look like fun! I hope they catch on here.

losi racer13

01-09-2004, 10:01 PM

haha that should be fun to have

SpeedMunkey

01-09-2004, 10:04 PM

I don't get drifting. What is the big draw to it?

Techno Duck

01-09-2004, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by SpeedMunkey
I don't get drifting. What is the big draw to it?

Alot of the older guys i Auto-X and track with say the same thing. Grip driving is much faster than drift, not to mention you wont go through 50% of the tread on your tires in one lap. I know its not nearly as fast as grip, but something about holding a car sideways through a turn, then being able to shift the weight of the car to go into a different direction turn all while drifting...very impressive and cool to see. The skills the 'pro-drift' drivers in Japan have is amazing, hold the car right at its maximum traction point, and the amount of pedal work they due is incredible.

Ive drifted once in my P-car. Not intentional and in the rain...of course i didnt tell my friend in the passenger seat that!

"holy $#% we just did like a drift man"

"yea i was going for that..." ::wipes sweat from brow::

Grant Tokumi

01-10-2004, 01:55 AM

There is a japanese anime series called Initial D. Basically, downhill racing where the drifter beats all different drivers and cars. He beats grip driving, 4wd, hackers, rally style with drivers and navigator (2 chicks :)). All with an old underpowered 1986 Totota Corolla. I'm wondering if that had a big influence on the popularity of drifting. That show was so good, it got me nervous. I actually feared how many people would try drifting in real cars down mountainous terrain and get into accidents. And its no surprise to me that drifting has become so popular.

TRF Drive Hard

01-10-2004, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Grant Tokumi
There is a japanese anime series called Initial D. Basically, downhill racing where the drifter beats all different drivers and cars. He beats grip driving, 4wd, hackers, rally style with drivers and navigator (2 chicks :)). All with an old underpowered 1986 Totota Corolla. I'm wondering if that had a big influence on the popularity of drifting. That show was so good, it got me nervous. I actually feared how many people would try drifting in real cars down mountainous terrain and get into accidents. And its no surprise to me that drifting has become so popular.

Corolla?? i thought it was an AE86 Trueno???:confused:

filipinoguy

01-10-2004, 02:39 AM

Isn't Corolla=AE86 Trueno

I don't know anyhting about cars older than me.;)

me43

01-10-2004, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by TRF Drive Hard
Corolla?? i thought it was an AE86 Trueno???:confused:

i belive an AE86 tureno is a corolla

delsol and CRX there both civic's just a different type

thats why you have the tureno,levin, gt-s, and the basic corolla

Grant Tokumi

01-10-2004, 02:42 AM

If I'm not mistaken, Trueno is a japanese name. I think its a 1986 Corolla GTS. I could be wrong though. Heres some ebay auctions I found.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42605&item=2452769166

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3167854976&category=2583

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6445&item=2452515652

me43

01-10-2004, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by Techno Duck
Alot of the older guys i Auto-X and track with say the same thing. Grip driving is much faster than drift, not to mention you wont go through 50% of the tread on your tires in one lap. I know its not nearly as fast as grip, but something about holding a car sideways through a turn, then being able to shift the weight of the car to go into a different direction turn all while drifting...very impressive and cool to see. The skills the 'pro-drift' drivers in Japan have is amazing, hold the car right at its maximum traction point, and the amount of pedal work they due is incredible.

Ive drifted once in my P-car. Not intentional and in the rain...of course i didnt tell my friend in the passenger seat that!

"holy $#% we just did like a drift man"

"yea i was going for that..." ::wipes sweat from brow::

yeah grip driving is faster in R/C but if you have every watched some japanese TC racing(kina like the JGTC) on some coarses drifting looks so much faster when they do it on consecutive S turns

btw, key word "they" LOL

me43

01-10-2004, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Grant Tokumi
If I'm not mistaken, Trueno is a japanese name. I think its a 1986 Corolla GTS. I could be wrong though. Heres some ebay auctions I found.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42605&item=2452769166

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3167854976&category=2583

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6445&item=2452515652

you could be right, either way they all have the same chassis

thats why its easier to call it by its chassis name AE86 or eight-six for those of you who watched initial D;)

kina like saying i want an R34, but not for the price motorex sells it for:D

rather than saying i want a skyline R34 Vspec II lol

TRF Drive Hard

01-10-2004, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by filipinoguy
Isn't Corolla=AE86 Trueno

I don't know anyhting about cars older than me.;)

HA i dont know squat about any car:D im not a real car guru:( but i love the skyline;)

Grant Tokumi

01-10-2004, 02:57 AM

http://www.tokyopop.com/dbpage.php?propertycode=ITD&categorycode=VAN&page=trailers
Try the second trailer titled "Brand New Trailer" :)

SpeedMunkey

01-10-2004, 09:53 AM

Ok, I've watched a few videos on drifting now, but I still don't get what is so exiting about slowly roasting tires around a turn. I think drifting was invented by people that were too slow to win, so they goofed off going around the track and people thought they knew what they were doing.

I'll stick to my clay ovals =)

me43

01-10-2004, 08:55 PM

SpeedMunkey

01-10-2004, 09:01 PM

Got any links? Cuz what I've seen so far is far from impressive. Drifting KIND of reminds me of dirt-track motorcycle racing, the kind with no brakes and steel kneepads.. Sorta like sprintcars, too.. It makes sense on an oval, but for a road course it seems like a real waste of tires. This is the REAL-WORLD version I'm talking about, doing it with an RC would be a real test of skill and MIGHT be worth trying.

me43

01-10-2004, 09:10 PM

nah, it was a while back when i was really into japanese circuit racing, i dont think i could find the link on the old forum i used to talk on

but it definetly is impressive, not to mention the foot work thats invovled

but i would say kind of imagine a silvia S15 and a RWD R34 going well over 100KPH in about 5 S turns and not even slowing down and coming with in a foot of each other in each turn

it was a very impressive sight to me:D

TheoDR

01-10-2004, 09:27 PM

You can set up your existing touring car to drift too, but it must be light, have a ultra torquey motor (no low turn winds here), ultra low grip tyres and stiff springs all round.

NitroBoy24

01-11-2004, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by SpeedMunkey
Ok, I've watched a few videos on drifting now, but I still don't get what is so exiting about slowly roasting tires around a turn. I think drifting was invented by people that were too slow to win, so they goofed off going around the track and people thought they knew what they were doing.

I'll stick to my clay ovals =)

If Im not mistaken the little legend on how drifting started is that "drift king" (cant spell his name lol) was in a stock car race in japan and I guess he was in last place after a spin out or someting and started to drift the last few turns to put on a show. Im probablly off on some of the stuff I said but the outline of how it got big is in there. I read it on some drift site with a very cool 8-9 page article about this American guy trying to make the D1 US circuit.

Theres exhibition drifting and grip, which has been said. In some cases "gripping" is faster and other times it isnt (also been said). Exhibition drifting is just big angles, linking drifts, lots of smoke (in some cases), sometimes high speeds and is all for show...I love it. Watching a car sliding sidwayz at around 70+mph pretty much amazes me.

Also, dont get the idea that the Japanes drifters cant drive "normally" since quite a few of the older ones have a lot big championship wins under their belts.

Sure its a waste of tires but if your sponsered who gives a dam :p :D

-NitroBoy24

Techno Duck

01-11-2004, 02:48 AM

I bought the drifting Best Motoring (Japanese car show) episode about the Drift King. His name is Keiichi Tsuchiya. Whats amazing about him is he never had any formal training in race car driving. He learned his skills by driving through local mountain roads to find the maximum limits of his car, which if i remember was an older model Skyline. It snowed in the mountains often as well, which taught him to the basics of driving on loose surfaces. He said that he never got into drifting because it was the fastest way around a track, only because it was the most exciting way around the track. He first started driving for a company which sponsored the infamous AE86 Trueno, or the Corolla GT-S as it was known here. During a number of races, he would drift through particular corners of the track, and still hold better times against his competitors. This is what essentially made him into a celebrity. Hes most known however in the professional world for his driving in the Honda NSX, but the cult following with the Sprinter Trueno never stopped.

Whats even funnier is he still practiced on the mountain roads and eventually had his license suspended.

TheoDR

01-11-2004, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Techno Duck
I bought the drifting Best Motoring (Japanese car show) episode about the Drift King. His name is Keiichi Tsuchiya. Whats amazing about him is he never had any formal training in race car driving. He learned his skills by driving through local mountain roads to find the maximum limits of his car, which if i remember was an older model Skyline. It snowed in the mountains often as well, which taught him to the basics of driving on loose surfaces. He said that he never got into drifting because it was the fastest way around a track, only because it was the most exciting way around the track. He first started driving for a company which sponsored the infamous AE86 Trueno, or the Corolla GT-S as it was known here. During a number of races, he would drift through particular corners of the track, and still hold better times against his competitors. This is what essentially made him into a celebrity. Hes most known however in the professional world for his driving in the Honda NSX, but the cult following with the Sprinter Trueno never stopped.

Whats even funnier is he still practiced on the mountain roads and eventually had his license suspended. I think he drove the Castrol Supra 2000 in the JGTC right? :D

^j!nx^

01-11-2004, 06:48 PM

www.rcdrift.com

jay272

01-11-2004, 07:37 PM

Drifting is a competitive event? Whatever.

Maybe one day, we'll see people "competively" jumping their cars off of ramps, and flying right into a brick wall. Maybe we can call this new sport, "Flinging". I guess the guy who makes the loudest crash will be the winner. I'm sure that the good folks in Japan are probably doing something like this.

TurboFC3S

01-16-2004, 01:09 PM

Drifting is NOT racing. There's no timing, no group of cars on the track jostling for postion. Drifting is based on a judging system, whoever looks the best, and impresses the judges most, gets the highest score and wins.

I too, being a hard-core road racer, all about the physics of racing and going as fast as possible didn't get drifting. It's slow, and just for show. But it's still cool ... once you accept what it is. And contrary to popular opinion, it's not as hard as it looks. It really isn't that hard to hold a car in a nice long power-slide. It just looks really impressive. The reason why it's easier is because of the speeds involved. Rarely in a drift event does a driver exceed 80 mph ... and during a drift speeds are more like 30 - 50mph. That fact alone makes the difficulty level MUCH lower. Drifting at speeds seen in competitive road racing, like 120 - 140 through a sweeper would just be a death sentence.

So racers, don't hate on drifters because it's not real racing ... and drifters don't act like you're the gods of car control, because REAL racing takes a lot more balls than drifting ever could. Both sides can live peacefully together :D As shown by the fact that the SCCA is now sanctioning drifting. Just enjoy it for what it is.

GT Freak

01-16-2004, 02:16 PM

does ANYONE know WHERE i can find either a onliv=ne vid of site about this "inital D" you keep talking about :confused:

TurboFC3S

01-16-2004, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by GT Freak
does ANYONE know WHERE i can find either a onliv=ne vid of site about this "inital D" you keep talking about :confused:

Heck, Initial D is practically mainstream now ... Borders sells them, and I've even seen them at Blockbuster for rent.

Grant Tokumi

01-16-2004, 09:56 PM

Do you know if the Initial D videos they sell and the ones you can rent are talking japanese with subtitles below, or is it dubbed in english like old kung fu movies? I didn't know it was that mainstream already. Even more scary. :)

Kenny T

01-17-2004, 09:01 AM

Go ebay, 170us gets you whole series of Initial D. And it's a 1983 AE86 Sprinter Trueno not 1986 trueno.

Grant Tokumi

01-21-2004, 01:39 AM

I've uploaded the 1st episode of Inital D . PM me if interested in downloading it to get a small sample of the series. I'll give you the address. Its a big .avi file at ~138 megs. Sorry I have to do it this way, I have limited bandwidth so I need to control how many people download that large a file.

rs43evo

01-21-2004, 08:25 PM

whats the fun of going in a str8 line? people LOOOVE drag racing.....and what the point of wasting tires on drifting....its the same question people LOOOVEE drifting (like myself) one of the major things of drifting is the car, u will never see such a beautiful car going str8 or in circles at that.....and 30 to 50 mph? your kidding right? theres a drift vid out there with a skyline going 233 kmh through a tunnel and if u can find the extended version he goes from 233 KMH to 170 KMH to 120 KMH.........sideways....also known as drifting at higher speeds than "30 to 50" the real drifters run at like 70 theres also a supra video that shows there quicker than u think......130-140 in a s-turn? u must be driving open wheel formula cars......cuz no GT2 porsche or audi or corvette at tht matter can control 140 cornering...90 maybe....but how much u wanna bet a fairlady-z drifter can out maneuver "a real racer" if gas burning and rubber burning and the smoke stench dont get your heart pumpin......u may as well say u hate cars

MrHorspwer

01-22-2004, 12:14 PM

Drifting is a competitive event? Whatever.

Is skateboarding a competitive event? Freestyle motorcross? Many forms of snowboarding? Figure skating?

All of those are competitive events. They are all judged by a panel... just like drifting.

To say that things which are judged aren't competitive is like saying half the Olympics don't count.

And it's a 1983 AE86 Sprinter Trueno not 1986 trueno.

AE86 is a chassis code... they were produced between 1983 and 1987.