New Kyosho Mini Monster!!! - **New Pics** [Archive]

StevePond

10-02-2003, 07:14 PM

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/kyosho/megamini.jpg

Add Kyosho's newest "Mini Monster" to the list of the great oxymorons (in a good way). "Jumbo shrimp," "military intelligence," and "little big man"... move over for the "Mini-Monster" or the "Mad Mini" prototype from Kyosho. We don't know the official name of the truck or even much about its features, but we do know this much, it's Mini-Z/Overland size, and it's a small version of the Mad Force monster truck. If you take a close look at the chassis shot, you can see MR-01 type battery holders and a pair of AA-cells on each side of the chassis. We will know more about this soon, but until then, get busy lining up some Mini-Z cars for some mini crushing action. Stay tuned for more information.

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/kyosho/minimadforce.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/kyosho/KYO_MMZ.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/kyosho/KYO_MMZ_Y.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/kyosho/KYO_MMZ_W.jpg

chickenmobilin

10-02-2003, 07:55 PM

That is exactly what the MINI world needs! Will be getting one for those days when I cant run outside.

fuzzy2133

10-02-2003, 10:08 PM

now the rc world is complete, 1/18 and 1/24 cars, 1/18 ST trucks, and now a mini MT. I like it!

4wdmt

10-02-2003, 10:31 PM

correct me if im wrong, but is that a wheelie bar at the rear end? will it be four wheel drive? that will be awesome!!!

nitrothugg

10-02-2003, 11:18 PM

yeah it does look like a whellie bar! i hope its a good truck. it looks good. i might get my first electric.

metalry101

10-03-2003, 12:32 AM

Looks like an Overland w/ bigger tires and a different body. Sexy lookin definately, but I could go for some more travel. A bunch of the guys at my LHS run the Overlands w/ the little tires from a Mini Wild Willy, and those flex big time, so hopefully this one will too. this Mad Mini looks good, let's hope it can back it up w/ the performance.

MegaMe

10-03-2003, 12:42 AM

can anyone read japanese??? :)
http://www.mini-z.jp/modules/catalog/viewcat.php?cid=10&orderby=dateD

4wdmt

10-03-2003, 01:55 AM

too bad i cant read japanese :D . so, this is already available in Japan? kewl. all they have to do is import it. cant wait. i still hope its 4wd.

someone posted about this mini monster at the monster truck thread, and i think they are already out in Hong Kong. any guess about the price?

OldskoolGT

10-03-2003, 02:54 AM

I think its much more than an Overland with bigger tires. It looks to me like there are solid axles on the truck from what I can tell from the center picture.

JimmyMac

10-03-2003, 03:15 AM

It's posted for a November release.

CarterTG

10-03-2003, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by MegaMe
can anyone read japanese???

I can't either, but Altavista's Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish) can... a little...

Some of the text translates to:

The big tire model which the **** popularity in America bears, the *******.
Adoption of ******** largest road clearance and super flat big tire. The indoor model which is proud of the invincible running the whole distance characteristic which also ***** travelling and lively jump handle easily finally appearance

StevePond

10-03-2003, 09:47 AM

That worked well... :p ;) :D

MaxxThrasher

10-03-2003, 11:19 AM

Now if only we knew what that said.:confused:

Hairball

10-03-2003, 12:45 PM

COOL!

BlutoSigPi

10-03-2003, 01:06 PM

Sweet. :)

rhcsavage21

10-03-2003, 04:12 PM

mini mad force. cool

AceCoolie

10-03-2003, 07:33 PM

Anyone know if it's 4wd?

metalry101

10-04-2003, 03:14 AM

OldskoolGT~
U just furthered my point. The Overland has solid axles front and rear too. Hence my point about this being maybe a tiny bit bigger than the Overland and running bigger tires and a different body.

4wdmt

10-04-2003, 03:34 AM

can it do wheelies? that will be totally cool.

SmooD

10-04-2003, 04:48 AM

Sweet!...thats pretty slick. It would be cooler if it were 4wd!!

ZeroMax

10-04-2003, 06:51 AM

thats it i'm getting one the day it comes out! then i have a set of every mini-Z kyosho has ever made in production! mini-Z .vs. overland .vs. mini monster!

lerningdriver

10-05-2003, 12:27 AM

by the small clues i can tell it has a 105mm body which can tell us about the length of the truck itself :D

just my... O SNAP! someone stole my money! :p

OldskoolGT

10-05-2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by metalry101
OldskoolGT~
U just furthered my point. The Overland has solid axles front and rear too. Hence my point about this being maybe a tiny bit bigger than the Overland and running bigger tires and a different body.

I guess the problem is that I have no idea what I am talking about. :) Before now, I always thought the Overland's had independent suspension because the actual 1/1 cars they are models of have independent front and rear ( in some cases) suspension.

kujiro

10-08-2003, 02:39 AM

nice...............................i wonder the price of this machine?

Dan H

10-08-2003, 03:50 PM

Losi Mini-T or Kyosho Mini Monster.... ahh...I can't decide!!

chickenmobilin

10-09-2003, 08:44 PM

Exactly what scale are these? I have some plans for this , might already own bodies that will fit it!:rolleyes:

psychowithnitro

10-15-2003, 02:58 PM

they are 1/24th scale

rckid11

10-15-2003, 07:20 PM

It looks cool. Good job Kyosho. :D

rcer4life

10-15-2003, 07:53 PM

Damit!!!!!!:mad: i jus bought the overland. itz still fun but now i want dat one. Doz anyone know if there will be a conversion kit anvalible???:( . If they make one i will definetly buy it!!

bubbafien

10-15-2003, 11:14 PM

i'll wait for PTI racings...

bubbafien

Chris Pedersen

10-17-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by bubbafien
i'll wait for PTI racings...

bubbafien
Same here. I think the PTI truck will be much more capable than the Mini Monster.

Mr.Pimp

10-17-2003, 11:33 PM

i think i will get the mini t instead of that,mainly because ive always loved losi trucks & all my current trucks are associated:p

newnitrofan

10-18-2003, 03:37 PM

Ya know that thing looks pretty cool. I'm a nitro fanatic and addict. However if I could make a go of a mini electric it would be kinda fun to have something to run during winter months and what have you. Later

Redman65

10-18-2003, 08:16 PM

Why no link to check out the PTI truck? I'll get it along with the Mini-T and Mini-Z Monster if it's worth buying.

Mr.Pimp

10-18-2003, 08:44 PM

Ah,Hell with the mini t i want then mini mad force:D :D :D

RespiratoryRC

10-19-2003, 01:05 AM

I must have both!!! The mini T looks great on the video clip from the web site and this new monster mini looks killer!! I can see myself now at work with the monster mini doing massive jumps off my postits!!!!!

Bodie Jr

10-23-2003, 08:21 PM

Here is a couple pics of my 1/24th scale Rock Crawler I designed and built this spring. It has full time 4 wheel drive and uses micro radio gear. Hopefully a kit version will be available soon. The revised prototype has been sent to an RC business that wants to manufacture and market it.

http://www.rubbins-racin.com/forum/files/rsmcrawleranglesfe_368.jpg

http://www.rubbins-racin.com/forum/files/rsotr1wmsrs.jpg

jeepinator

10-23-2003, 11:10 PM

Holy niceness!
Where did you get that ZJ body?

MaJiK_JuGGaLo

10-23-2003, 11:40 PM

That truck you built looks sweet, you should put some more pics of it on here, andmaybe some instructions on how to make one of em. I'll give ya props for it.:D

Bodie Jr

10-24-2003, 07:50 AM

:) Thanks guys. That body came from the Tamiya model kit. It'll be at least a couple months before we know anything about the final edition even If it can happen.

Hairball

10-24-2003, 10:08 AM

Can we get some more pics? Maybe a few off body pics?

Bodie Jr

10-24-2003, 04:38 PM

The revised prototype has been sent to an RC business that wants to manufacture and market it.

I don't have it here at this time.;)

71`north

10-26-2003, 02:28 PM

yes,yes,yes finally. Then i will have the two best monsters, my EK-4 and soon a mini-monster!!:cool:
I just cant wait.

Hairball

10-26-2003, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by 71`north
yes,yes,yes finally. Then i will have the two best monsters, my EK-4 and soon a mini-monster!!:cool:
I just cant wait.

The EK4 is a truggy, not a monster. And a horrible one at that.

NiMo

10-26-2003, 03:29 PM

If you have a fast link then check out this video from a site in Switzerland.
Amazing little beasties, great easy wheelies, you'll want one after you've watched it.

http://www.rcworld.ch/neueprojekte.asp?id=803

mistuhhh

10-26-2003, 03:48 PM

pretty smooth..like seeing the new ideas in the industry coming out.

SilentGT

10-26-2003, 07:03 PM

I would pass on any off-road mini-z. My friend picked a nicely hopped up Overland, alu knuckles, x-speed motor, many many NiMH batts, spare rims and tires, and the bugger was terribly slow even for a track in the house. He made a track in his bed room and it was funny. When he went to take off rims the inside would crack to peices. He ran it on carpet too. He was warning me not turn to hard to cause it to roll because I could break something even on the carpet. It was a joke!! This seems to be the same thing but with larger tires and a rasied body. I was thinking of getting some little tikes into the hobby by reccomending this but I changed my mind even about that. Poorly put togather car. The plastics used in the making of parts is terrible making the durability low.

lockedINgood

10-26-2003, 11:51 PM

Heres another video of the Mini Monster, smaller this time only about 1.5mg:
http://mini-z-bar.com/03show1.mpg

4wdmt

10-27-2003, 02:03 AM

wow, they are like rats on fire. any info if they are 4wd? any official kyosho press release yet?

off-roadfreak 2

10-28-2003, 12:49 AM

I am sick of this solid axle crap:mad: . We need an independant suspension truck.:eek: oh, I know! Traxxas needs to get in on this and make a mini-E-maxx! Sweeeet:cool: . I,m going to e-mail em. This is a good start though. So far I would stick with the mini-T. I'll keep ya posted on what traxxas says.

Pryce

Hairball

10-28-2003, 01:06 AM

Technically speaking, if its independant suspension, its not a monster truck.

Racer Rob

10-28-2003, 09:37 AM

Wow I am impressed. Looks like a fun little truck for some indoor bashing.

NiMo

10-28-2003, 05:38 PM

With this little beastie we could run it around on the bed (and that's even before we get out of it)

superracer107

11-03-2003, 07:19 PM

who's we? :D does any body know where a smaller video can be found? if only i had money bummer

Streaks

11-06-2003, 09:04 PM

Good God in Heaven! Please get rid of solid axles. *** are they even around for now days? We HATES them, trixy axles *twitch*

Streaks

StevePond

11-07-2003, 10:14 AM

New pictures on page 1 :D

Hairball

11-07-2003, 11:03 AM

Any word on a release date Steve?

StevePond

11-07-2003, 11:53 AM

No news yet, but I'll keep the ears open. I would imagine it has to be soon.

Hairball

11-07-2003, 12:43 PM

Groovy. Thanks man.

tmaxxamt

11-10-2003, 01:26 AM

WOW, this is definitely the coolest looking mini out! I just hope it performs as good as it looks. Man I hate having to wait, because by the time this is out theyll have an even better prototype. I dont know what all do?

tmaxxamt

11-10-2003, 01:35 AM

O and what do you guys prefer mini mad force, tlt-1, or losi mini-t?

Streaks

11-10-2003, 06:58 AM

Anyone have some links for the other mini trucks?

Streaks

11-10-2003, 08:59 PM

Actually, it seems to indeed be 4wD. Look at the tight group of pics at the head of this thread again. Look at the third one down on the right. Those are the front wheels (turned to the chassis' left). You can see a drive shaft coming from midships and there's a gear hump that it dead-ends to!

:D

Streaks

grimlock3000

11-11-2003, 12:27 AM

"Actually, it seems to indeed be 4wD. Look at the tight group of pics at the head of this thread again. Look at the third one down on the right. Those are the front wheels (turned to the chassis' left). You can see a drive shaft coming from midships and there's a gear hump that it dead-ends to!"

Its not 4WD, that front end looks just like the Overland, which is 2WD.

Streaks

11-11-2003, 12:36 AM

?

The overland has an axle and gear journal molded into it's front end?? On top??

StevePond

11-11-2003, 07:29 AM

I'm betting that it's 2WD, but we'll know more when they become available.

General Uber

11-11-2003, 08:42 PM

Yo This is the first time ive used this forum so bear with me... I think that Kyosho should Scale down a Mad Force The Way that Team Losi did for there Mini T. I think a scaled Down mad force with some huge torque gearing and electric power would be a blast. just stack some books and see what kind of mountain climber they can make (Mini Size):D

General Uber

11-11-2003, 09:14 PM

in my last post i just thought id point out i meant that instead of using "toy" type assembilys, actually make a mini mad force with the servos ( 4WD ) fluid shocks and stuff like that:p

Streaks

11-11-2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by General Uber
in my last post i just thought id point out i meant that instead of using "toy" type assembilys, actually make a mini mad force with the servos ( 4WD ) fluid shocks and stuff like that:p

Ah see, that's jumping the gun. They'd bring out the basic little kit like they are going to do here. Then sell the oil shocks, ball diffs, etc., as "options" :roll: Just look at the little Losi truck. It's got friction shocks and a gear diff.

Wonder if/when Associated will belly up to this bar. And what about a mini buggy? or AWD sedan?? ;)

Hairball

11-12-2003, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Streaks
?

The overland has an axle and gear journal molded into it's front end?? On top??

Thats the servo silly.

Streaks

11-12-2003, 06:44 AM

*in best Butthead voice*

oh ya

:D

must remember it's a mini, must remember it's a mini....

Well, it can be a servo that....also....drives the front wheels....ya...ya that's it :D

General Uber

11-12-2003, 09:29 PM

Ya Well what i mean by fluid shocks and such for the mini monster is the fact that the mini T uses the same 3 gear drive train and same independent suspention as its larger companion. I can see why ( if this is intended to be a miniturized Mad Force) its not consisting of a mini 3 speed chain drive and tiny differentials but if they could make a mini electric mad force just like the full scale (i guess) i think it would rip

Streaks

11-13-2003, 06:55 AM

But in a lot of ways the XXXT is a simple design compaired to the MT.

And I guess they could make it with the fancy drive train and all, would just charge us more is all :(

NuG050

11-14-2003, 01:21 AM

Man! That looks pretty good! Now, I can have them all! Heheh...the Mini-Z, Overland, and now, the Mad Mini!

maxxitout

11-14-2003, 11:12 AM

Did not see this posted but from the Japan picture:

17,800.00 Japan Yen = 164.615 USD

It really needs to be 4wd or the price should be cheaper.

Hairball

11-14-2003, 11:16 AM

When I was in Japan a year ago, the Yen rate was way down, and it would have been $132 US dollars then. :)

Streaks

11-14-2003, 06:35 PM

Hope they are out before Christmas this year. Would LOVE to get one for the wife, it's right up her ally :)

Bodie Jr

11-14-2003, 07:28 PM

This 1/24th scale mini IS four wheel drive. No info on production schedule yet..........Sorry.;) But it is in the works.

http://www.rubbins-racin.com/forum/files/rsotr1wmsrs.jpg

Streaks

11-14-2003, 07:40 PM

nnnice :)

KronicRacer

11-17-2003, 01:14 PM

:eek:

RCNitroDude999

11-17-2003, 01:24 PM

Wow, mini cars, mini trucks, now mini monsters. Wheres the mini buggy???

Streaks

11-17-2003, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by RCNitroDude999
Wow, mini cars, mini trucks, now mini monsters. Wheres the mini buggy???

Agreed! I'd love a mini buggy. Though I guess you could always just get the Losi mini truck and rig a different body and wheels. Maybe Losi will do just that and release it as a buggy kit :)

Serius Black

11-19-2003, 10:33 AM

Kyosho did the micro buggy thing years ago, I think they were around 1/18th scale. They had a micro Ultima, and I think a Turbo Optima as well (though I don't think it was 4wd). Pretty cool little cars, but I don't think they were all that capable with the radio gear and electrics available at that time.
If anyone has pics of these things (Steve?), please post them!

Hairball

11-19-2003, 12:15 PM

Towerhobbies has the Mini-Mad Force listed up for a preorder price of $180.

I guess slighty bigger tires and yellow shocks justify the $30 price hike from the Overland at $150......

At that price, I won't be buying one.

Serius Black

11-19-2003, 03:23 PM

Why did they make a replica of the MF, anyway? Shouldn't they have modeled it after a more capable rig? I mean, come on... everyone know solid axles sick duck.

Hairball

11-19-2003, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Serius Black
Why did they make a replica of the MF, anyway? Shouldn't they have modeled it after a more capable rig? I mean, come on... everyone know solid axles sick duck.

Please remove your ignorance from this thread. :)

NiMo

11-19-2003, 03:50 PM

I thought the Mini Monster was supposed to be a fun thing, but reading what you lot have put down makes me wonder if you know the meaning of fun.

And hey! I did used to race twigs in the local river with a few mates.

Hairball

11-19-2003, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by NiMo
I thought the Mini Monster was supposed to be a fun thing, but reading what you lot have put down makes me wonder if you know the meaning of fun.

And hey! I did used to race twigs in the local river with a few mates.

Don't get me wrong man. I have a Mini-Z Overland, and I love it! Chase the dogs around for hours with that thing (I have small dogs).

The only thing I'm complaining about the Mini Mad Force is the price! :)

Serius Black

11-19-2003, 04:26 PM

My daughter once spanked a Mad Force in her Barbie Power Wheels Jeep.

Serius Black

11-19-2003, 04:28 PM

And the battery was dead.

Serius Black

11-19-2003, 04:29 PM

Going uphill.

Serius Black

11-19-2003, 04:30 PM

In an 80 mph headwind. A guy riding in a mop bucket even blew by the MF.

Hairball

11-19-2003, 05:20 PM

LOL

Streaks

11-19-2003, 11:18 PM

As much as I'd like to get one of these for the fun factor I must agree...solid axles blow. Simply no reason for them to even be around these days.

And yes I do remember the baby Ultimas! But you are right, their radio gear back then wasn't up to snuff. Would be a blast if they released them again!! Maybe they were just ahead of their time :)

Hairball

11-19-2003, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Streaks
As much as I'd like to get one of these for the fun factor I must agree...solid axles blow. Simply no reason for them to even be around these days.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Solid axles are far more capable than independant suspension will ever be.

r.c.dealer

11-19-2003, 11:58 PM

At rock crawling yes, everything else no. :D

Streaks

11-20-2003, 12:00 AM

How so? I've yet to see a tank with solid axles. Or look at the HumV. F1 and other top race cars don't use them. My RC10 and T3 don't use them....hmm...only old kits and full scale trucks use them, I see a trend :)

Honestly, I personally see no reason to have them other than they are a known thing. And every mechanic can work on them vs teaching a little more to someone in order to get them working in the independant.

It just seems so "old tech" to me. And there's no GOOD reason to keep them other than "we have a ton of them laying around in warehouses dammit, we're gonna USE 'em!!" :roll:

Hairball

11-20-2003, 01:18 AM

Solid axles are less complicated, cheaper, and more capable if setup correctly.

But it sounds like you've already been brain washed by the current market trends, letting the car manufacters TELL YOU what you need, instead of making up your own mind.

I won't waste anymore of my time on you.

NiMo

11-20-2003, 04:13 AM

I don't always understand the American language as you have different meanings to the words but.............

Solid Axles?

What are you calling a solid axle?

If it is an axle with no diff (ie: locked) then yes that is only for rock and mud climbing.
But solid as in being one piece? isn't that the type of axle found on what you call 'Pan Cars', and even the F1/F3/Indy type cars, and again on the Stock Cars.

Stock Cars?

Now what you call a Stock Car is not what we call a Stock Car so you won't know what I'm talking about now.

Anyway, back to the Mini Monster, that has an option part in the kit that allows you to either have a diff, or to lock the diff.

I've only seen the monster trucks in pictures (not a sport over the big pond) and most of them look to have rigid beam axles.

Streaks

11-20-2003, 07:26 AM

Ok first, I by no means buy into media hype, I don't even watch TV. I've been racing RC sense '85 and have been a fan of auto racing sense before then.

A solid axle is simple yes. It's easy to set up correctly because the only thing you have to worry about are it's suspension parts and the diff.

Yes cheap is good, fine. Durable is good, fine. However, the independant suspension offers better PERFORMANCE. I.e. _handling_

I say again. If the solid axle is so good you'd see it in more high performance race venues. It's also being phased out of areas that require high loads such as military vehicles and now some civilian suvs.

Better cornering, better ride, less affect on the chassis over bumps.

Ok fine. So every shade tree mechanic knows it and can set it up. Wonderful. The independant suspension isn't _that_ complicated! Just some angles to worry about and you pay more attention to spring rates and the like.

NiMo...

By solid axles we're talking about one, long axle that both wheels are attached to rather than one wheel having it's own arm. Pan cars and most pickup trucks have them. F1/F3000/Indy/most touring cars, they all use the independant rear suspension. Meaning, an A-arm type setup (typically) for each wheel. This lets the wheel move 'independantly' of it's mate on the other side of the car. Oh, and what we call stock car racing....well, I personally don't see the appeal of going fast and turning left for five hundred miles while racing an inch away from someone at 200mph. If I want that I'll go drive the beltway around D.C.! :D And their cars are high performance yes, just not very advanced is all.

Hairball...I guess we can agree to disagree here. It's one thing I feel quite strongly about. I've said for years that the solid axle needs to go the way of the dinosaur. Not from what the media says (though I have no clue where you get that. the manufacturers here in the U.S. are still stuck on the solid axle), but from my own opinion it took time to form. This comes from my own experience with driving all sorts of full scale vehicles as well as racing RC.

:)

eurylokhos

11-20-2003, 09:05 AM

Here's my take on the Solid VS Independent debate. Solid axles have one place, and that's rock crawling, and other slow, climbing type applications. The reason is that you will always have a fixed amount of ground clearance, and you will end up with more articulation with a solid axle system if set up properly.

However, as soon as you pick up any speed, and start discussing ride, and handling, independent is the way to go. An independent system is better able to absord impacts, and maintain an even contact patch on all 4 wheels than an solid system. The only reason you still see solid suspensions on full size vehicles is packaging (Solid takes up less room under a chassis than independent), and cost, since solid is MUCH cheaper to develop and tune.

On the Mini Mad Force, I'd rather have solid, just because I will not be running it fast, just using it to crawl over things. Plus, the solid design is generally tougher, with less things to break. On the larger tucks, what do I think? Well, I'll just say that I have a Savage and an MGT.

Hairball

11-20-2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Streaks

I say again. If the solid axle is so good you'd see it in more high performance race venues. It's also being phased out of areas that require high loads such as military vehicles and now some civilian suvs.

Better cornering, better ride, less affect on the chassis over bumps.

Hairball...I guess we can agree to disagree here. It's one thing I feel quite strongly about. I've said for years that the solid axle needs to go the way of the dinosaur. Not from what the media says (though I have no clue where you get that. the manufacturers here in the U.S. are still stuck on the solid axle), but from my own opinion it took time to form. This comes from my own experience with driving all sorts of full scale vehicles as well as racing RC.

:)

Ok, I'll live with that.

But for this specific application (Monster Truckin), solid axles are best way to go. For offroad use, solid axles are better. More ground clearence, better traction, easy to modifiy.

IS setups are going to one thing - going fast.

Serius Black

11-20-2003, 11:10 AM

I was just BS'n about the solid axle thing - sorry to start the debate in this thread.
My opinion is that a true monster truck should have solid axles if you intend to use it for crawling. For anything else, I prefer independent suspension. Just my opinion.
Since this Mad Force mini is not a speed demon, it makes more sense to have solid axles - it'll articulate over desktop obsticles much better. If you plan on jumping and running it on a track, maybe a Mini-T would be better suited to your application.

Hairball

11-20-2003, 11:41 AM

Ya, we hijacked this thread pretty good, didn't we. :)

Streaks

11-20-2003, 07:01 PM

Ok I will give that for a MT application the SA is probably better (though I will have to point to the big mosters that are out there right now that do rather well in the RC area : )

I was talking generally and I think that's where the confusion got in. I'm not saying that SA have no place, they do well for hauling and are rather durable. I simply would like to see them fased out! *grin* :D :D (as an odd side note, whitness the humble WWII erra Jeep that went from SA to IS over it's lifespan, then got SA when turned into a civillian vehicle).

Sorry all about hijacking the thread!!

Um, on topic....yes, yes, for the mini MT the solid axles.....*gritting teeth*...will.......dojustfine! Whew, there I said it :D :D

Streaks

jeepinator

11-21-2003, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by Streaks
...whitness the humble WWII erra Jeep that went from SA to IS over it's lifespan...
*** are you talking about?
Go back to believing everything marketing people tell you. Your Jeep history knowledge SUCKS.

r.c.dealer

11-21-2003, 02:08 AM

Ford designed a Jeep with fully independent suspension during WWII. They stopped making it because the rear wheels would tend to tuck, and the rear suspension arms could collapse under the Jeep during hard cornering, and ruff terrain. It became a saftey hazard as the Jeep would roll which could severly injure, or kill the driver and occupants. They eventually stopped making it and went back to solid axles. Modern fully IS rigs don't suffer those tucking problems.

Streaks

11-21-2003, 07:42 AM

What is it with you people and the whole "media" thing. Damn I don't even watch TV except for races!

I remembered it the other way around. That it started off as a solid design then went to the independant later and then back to solid. But I freely admit that my source is documentries on the History channel :D

Jeepinator, dude, I wasn't flaming. So stand down. I'm not in love with the jeep, just brought it up as a funny side note to the whole axle thing. Was meant to get rid of the tension!

sheesh

jeepinator

11-21-2003, 10:20 AM

I'd be humbled if someone could produce evidence of this fully independent JEEP you speak of.

eurylokhos

11-21-2003, 10:47 AM

He's using Jeep in the sense of the original military designation GP, for general purpose, which the GIs pronounced Jeep, which was then hijacked by the Willy's Corporation in 1946 with the Willy's Jeep Wagon. Then later bought by Kaiser, who dropped the Willy's name and called the company Kaiser-Jeep, then AMC, who simply named the company Jeep, then Chrysler. The name Jeep is much more than the corporate identity that you are equating it with, Jeepinator. That's what the J in CJ stands for Civilian Jeep.

Hairball

11-21-2003, 11:01 AM

What about the rest of the Jeeps designations? TJ? YJ? WJ?

Toy Jeep?

Yuppie Jeep?

W? Jeep?

:p :p :p

eurylokhos

11-21-2003, 01:09 PM

Dunno, never thought about that, pretty funny, though. I think at some point, they got away from the military derived designations.

jeepinator

11-21-2003, 01:26 PM

KJ - Liberty (Kia Jeep)
WJ - 1999-2004 Grand Cherokee
ZJ - 1993-1998 Grand Cherokee
XJ - Cherokee
WK - 2005+ Grand Cherokee
TJ - round lights newer Wrangler
YJ - square headlight Wrangler
CJ - the really old Wrangler style Jeeps
DJ - Postal Jeeps
MJ - The Jeep pickup (???)
SJ - hmm...

jeepinator

11-21-2003, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by eurylokhos
He's using Jeep in the sense of the original military designation GP, for general purpose, which the GIs pronounced Jeep, which was then hijacked by the Willy's Corporation in 1946 with the Willy's Jeep Wagon. Then later bought by Kaiser, who dropped the Willy's name and called the company Kaiser-Jeep, then AMC, who simply named the company Jeep, then Chrysler. The name Jeep is much more than the corporate identity that you are equating it with, Jeepinator. That's what the J in CJ stands for Civilian Jeep.
Ahem.. it's jeepinator, no capitol "J" :D
OK, well then fine.
The only IFS equipped Jeep BRAND vehicle was a very short production run where all the rigs were sold to a single buyer. I think it was in the 50's or something like that.
Other than that, Jeep the BRAND never made a vehicle with an independent suspension design before the Liberty.
The Liberty was the first, but not the last.
In the next 2 years Jeep is introducing 5 new vehicles. 4 of them will be IFS. The holdout is simply a redesigned Wrangler for '05. No strong evidence exists that this will have two solid axles. It is assumed that it will based upon recent comments from Jeep execs.
Jeep the BRAND as most of you know them is gone.

RIP

Hairball

11-21-2003, 01:46 PM

http://domania.us/jzweizig/popez.gif

jeepinator

11-21-2003, 03:55 PM

LOL!

Streaks

11-21-2003, 05:53 PM

lol, I just figured that the WWII reference was enough :)

Sorry jeepinator, I understand where I lost ya now. :)

4wdmt

11-22-2003, 04:05 AM

well, its no 4wd mini. as their japan home page describe it, its more of a mini overland with bigger tires. i hope PTI are already producing their mini MT.

Maxum Motors

11-24-2003, 02:12 AM

In case no one answered this and just for future reference. The 4 W independant suspension jeep was pruduced by Ford, but so were many of the Jeeps during war time. The Jeep model you were refering to was known as the "MUTT", don't ask i don't know why they called them that, but i have driven them and the suspension is much like a VW Beetle rear. They do tend to lift and fold under. If you have ever seen a VW beetle with the engine out, you have seen how the rear wheels fold inward with out the weight of the engine. Same thing with the MUTT, only they tended to fold when turning corners at speeds over 35mph. Over rough terrain when the weight lifted the rear wheels folded in like a VW with no weight on the rear.

Just thought i would throw that in , now back to the MINI MONSTER!

WHEN! I see them listed on a web site for pre orders, says they are do in stock in February. $179.00....PRICEY LIttle Bast@#D!

If some one finds them in stock let me know!:D :D :D

Streaks

11-24-2003, 07:55 AM

Ouch, $180 is a bit steep.

Hairball

11-24-2003, 10:11 AM

Sure is. They are charging you $30 for a new body and bigger tires on an Overland frame.

Racer Rob

11-24-2003, 02:59 PM

MJ - The Jeep pickup (???)
Correct.

I could talk about Jeeps for hours, but back to the Mini truck. I think its cool, but I want to see how much the new Tamiya truck sells for. Maybe Tamiya will offer a XJ body for it :D

Electrofied

11-24-2003, 06:36 PM

As much as I want a mini monster truck, what is the purpose if it isn't 4 wheel drive?

I know I won't be buying one until there is a 4 wheel drive option for it.
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Maxum Motors

11-25-2003, 03:24 AM

I like the Tamiya for it's 4wd and 4w steering!

As for Jeeps i could talk all day aswell, i own 1 of 5, last in existance ,Kiaser Jeep Military Prototypes. 1967 "AV-102-H" 22k original miles and i put 10k on it myself.:o :p :D

vispucee

11-25-2003, 06:14 PM

I personally can't wait for the monster z. It more than just a overland with bigger wheels. The pods have beens widenned and beefed up. also the links have been modified aswell. I know the electronics had to be changed becuase the guys who have put bigger wheels on their overlands have fried their esc's. The monster is a step in the development of micro rc's. The PTI and Tamiya TLT-1 are 4x4, but the are 18th not 24th. I have only one problem with it; that it is taking to long to get out. Just my 2 cents.

Streaks

11-25-2003, 06:21 PM

Aren't the mini-z cars 1/18th as well?

MegaMe

11-25-2003, 09:09 PM

no mini-z are 1/24th or 1/28th cant remember which

Streaks

11-25-2003, 11:56 PM

Doh.....guess I just always lumped them in with the 1/18th guys. Shows how much I get to sit down and read for pleasure these days :(

r.c.dealer

11-26-2003, 03:34 PM

I was wrong about the date for the Mutt Jeep. It was designed in the 50's, went into service in the '60s.

Heres a link to some info and pictures of the Mutt Jeep and its fully independent suspension.

http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/Mil/M151/M151.html

Streaks

11-28-2003, 12:10 AM

Yaaayyy :D

THAT is what I think of when I hear the word "jeep". :) Not trying to diminish the civilian "Jeep" or anything so don't get me wrong, I likes 'em just fine. :)

Streaks

jeepinator

11-30-2003, 03:39 AM

I have been educated :D

NiMo

11-30-2003, 06:13 AM

The Mini Monster is now available in some Japanese shops.

jeepboy109

11-30-2003, 12:07 PM

Shure they look great but,....THEY AREN'T 4WD? u can tell mty looking they are just the Overland with Bigg tyres and body if u ask me. I prefere Daves because its 4wd and the RC'Jims' place 1.

Racer Rob

11-30-2003, 02:21 PM

I agree, whats the point if its not 4WD :D

NiMo

11-30-2003, 02:41 PM

Aug / Sep / Oct = 1" of rain.
Last 10 days = 5" of rain.

I need something that can be run around the house (largest room 10' x 8') on carpet without getting stuck.
You can't do that properly with a 1/18th 4x4, but you can with a couple of 1/24 Mini Monsters.

Streaks

12-01-2003, 12:03 AM

Either that or invest in an RC boat :D :D

I kinda have the same issue. Have a kitchen floor that doesn't have much room. The micro RC stuff is fun but not very controllable really (just LEFT and RIGHT, on/off type stearing). The 1/18th stuff is just a CH too big. I'm not sure about the 1/24th Z cars though. Might still be a bit too big to have a proper race with. I need something between that and the mini cars :)

Streaks

NiMo

12-01-2003, 12:02 PM

You want Jeep, I find Jeep.

http://www.mini-z-bar.com/img1308.jpg

http://www.mini-z-bar.com/img1345.jpg

Streaks

12-01-2003, 05:53 PM

How very cool!! :D I like the one on the Zippo.

Wizardman_1

12-07-2003, 01:04 PM

Has anyone ordered one of these yet, or plan too. Write how it goes cause these things are pimp, 4wd or not. A little too steep for me though $170 on tower. Wonder how the Xmods from radio shack will be compared to mini-z and hpi micro?

^j!nx^

12-11-2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Wizardman_1
Has anyone ordered one of these yet, or plan too. Write how it goes cause these things are pimp, 4wd or not. A little too steep for me though $170 on tower. Wonder how the Xmods from radio shack will be compared to mini-z and hpi micro?

A fully moded Xmods in a drag race is slower then my mild moded miniz.. But the AWD kicks the miniz's butt on a small tight course. Its also alot more forgiving. But owning 3 MR01 miniz's and a Xmods. the miniz's still get more use.
They few things i dont like about the X are. Its VERY VERY heavy and its Built like a radio shack car.

http://rs-scooby.com/albums/R-C/small_rc_009.sized.jpg
http://rs-scooby.com/albums/R-C/xmods_005.sized.jpg

Streaks

12-11-2003, 06:56 PM

The Xmod has fully independant suspension all around?? :eek: Being 4WD would explain why the miniZ out drags it. All the extra hardware pays a price in weight. :)

Tamiya4ever

12-12-2003, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Bodie Jr
This 1/24th scale mini IS four wheel drive. No info on production schedule yet..........Sorry.;) But it is in the works.

http://www.rubbins-racin.com/forum/files/rsotr1wmsrs.jpg

Who makes this truck? Looks really nice. Any word on a release date? :)

Neptune

12-14-2003, 10:00 AM

Hi All,

I've just ordered one from a place in Hong Kong for $139 (+shipping) and it arrived in 2 days to the UK!!! Its a xmas present for myself ( :D ) so i have'nt tried it yet.

Oh and one thing.... its 1/30th scale! It may be bigger that a standard mini-z, but think how much bigger a real MT is compared to a car.

I will certainly get pics and vids..

jpel200

12-17-2003, 06:43 AM

Just something I was thinking about. I sure wish you could get some of these without radio and electronics. I mean some people have a collection of stuff that you could put in yourself. With all the rtr stuff coming out, you could inmass quite a collection of radios! LOL

LosiXXXS 69

12-23-2003, 11:57 PM

Tamiya made a mini monster truck too called the TLT-1 Rockbuster except its not 1/30th scale its 1/18th scalehttp://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=47201

LosiXXXS 69

12-24-2003, 12:00 AM

http://www.kyosho.com/cars/kyod75-4b.jpg

SilentGT

12-24-2003, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by LosiXXXS 69
Tamiya made a mini monster truck too called the TLT-1 Rockbuster except its not 1/30th scale its 1/18th scalehttp://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=47201

Wow, That thing looks like alot of fun, except those side plate are fugly. I'd lover the body and make some better side plates. The independant 4 wheel steering is f-in cool. Tower Gets them in Mid January.

Figit090

12-25-2003, 11:36 PM

the main body of the truck (or sideplates as mentioned) are updated that was a prototype if you hadn't read it's comments...

one thing i don't like is it's ground clearance...if they can fix that i'll jump on it...i actually think it's a bit too small....but then again it's perfect i dunno! lol...

SilentGT

12-26-2003, 06:46 PM

Well thats good. After seeing my friends Overland run, and break, I don't think I would even think of buying a mini-z. It was sooo slow even with the x-speed motor.

shibby6

12-26-2003, 07:45 PM

man I cant wait till I can afford one I want to do a reveiw on it for my website, g-bilt R/C

shadowghost1

12-27-2003, 10:29 AM

Check this one out.....
http://www.ptiracing.net/page16.html

Neptune

12-29-2003, 07:48 AM

Hi everyone,

I can confirm that this thing is AMAZING. If you want one, dont hesitate. This is the best smallest MT there is, and it doesnt matter that its not 4WD or that its not independant suspension - for the size it is, its perfect! :)

Here's some pics i've took so far....

http://www.flyhard.co.uk/miniz01.jpg
http://www.flyhard.co.uk/miniz02.jpg
http://www.flyhard.co.uk/miniz03.jpg

Akura2

12-30-2003, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Figit090
the main body of the truck (or sideplates as mentioned) are updated that was a prototype if you hadn't read it's comments...

Actually the production truck is exactly like the prototype...one of the guys on another furum owns one already and it has the big side plates and the low clearance

http://www.yourmicro.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11204&perpage=15&pagenumber=3