HPI Super RS4 Electric

[StevePond]

Found by RC Zone users on the HPI Europe site:

This is the exciting new chassis from HPI, the Super RS4 - a new breed of touring car that is aprox 20% larger than normal 1/10th scale. with larger wheels and tyres to handle the emormous power from a chassis that can fit upto 8 Cell battery packs, speed and handling are astounding. Mix it with a stylish Super Size body and you can go impress your friends in a parking lot or even go thrash the competition down at your local RC race-track.

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/hpisuper.jpg

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/hpisuperchassis.jpg

[evaderstrules]

thats freeking awsome dude if i was into onroad driving i would get one but i looking into a nitro truck right now so i won't be getting one. definatly cool though

[anothermbdusted]

to bad its not a shaft drive system but very nice indeed for a super..good job steve

[ntn324]

this info was actually released on HPI's Japanese website even earlier than it was on the European site
looks like HPI is also releasing a new Super body as well in conjunction with the Super Electric
new body (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=964116)

[big1s]

i wonder if the two speed for my normal rs4 will work on that :D :D

[spenzalii]

If you can find a way to cram 12 cells on it, a 2 speed and a brushless setup, you got a deal, Now THAT is a nitro killer 4 sure!

[metalry101]

Ooo, I like that too, and my first thought when I saw was of course...Just how fast could that thing go w/ a bunch of cells and a killer BL system? It's big enough to handle the power. This could be fun, Any idea how much it'll cost Steve? Or if they'll even release it in the US?

[Interstate]

There's nothing pretaing to HPI's press release site, but it seems japan and europe get the new stuff before USA does... :( I'll keep an eye out for that...

[hpijoepro2]

its basically a giant sport 2, but its cool

[Lab-driver]

Originally posted by spenzalii
If you can find a way to cram 12 cells on it, a 2 speed and a brushless setup, you got a deal, Now THAT is a nitro killer 4 sure!

Just what I was thinking.....:cool:

[integra d12]

I'm on the brushless idea too. I have a t3 with the brushless i could migrate it over. hmmmm......

[Saboteur]

Most definately slap a BL in there with 7 or 8 cells!. Its awesome!:) :D

[Pavel]

All this is good and well guys, but your ideas of cramming in that huge power will quickly rid you of the belts that it runs on.

I was hoping it would be a shaft drive, as that would be able to handle the power..

As for batteries, im pretty sure that if you removed the stick pack holder, you could fit in 2 stick packs (6-7 cells each) across the chassis next to each other and hold them down with zip ties going through the battery slots, or velcro or something...

I'm just not sure if the drivetrain can take it.. we'll just have to wait and see till someone experiments =)

Good idea though =)

Have a good day

Pavel

[mab_man20]

SO much for my one of a kind summer project. :rolleyes: :(

[spenzalii]

If you set the tension right and swap to the aluminum diffs Robinson makes (I wonder if the small layshaft pullys will fit, too) would be a good idea. I do hope the belt is thicker and stronger

[superspeed]

steve,

I don't know what was hpi thinking. Today's motors on the market are not designed to run at 8 cells, 9.6V. I don't think this was a smart move. Well, maybe it was for those crazy peep w/ lots of $$$

[Saboteur]

If you read the post, it says its capable of holding 8cells. That doesnt mean you should run with that many. ;) :p Stormer Hobbies has four 3000mah packs for $99.95. Get a nice esc and a 15x4 speedgems mod motor and you could have some great fun at an onroad track. For something that big, you'd really want a motor with a good amount of torque. Wonder how a stock motor will handle in something thats slightly bigger than the standard size for a TC.

[Interstate]

The super size cars are almost the same, but seem to have a little more push in the turns.i suppose if you added just a little weight to a standard TC it could act like a super sizer...

[nomac]

yeah but when can i buy the pro 4 car?

[tarheelquality]

You know the supers arent really any bigger than the offroad cars that many of us started out running on road. I dont think the motors will have any problems with the weight. I want a Rally version my self.

[nomac]

a pugeut 206 "Magic Marcus" edition

[Dark Knyte]

the way i see it, if you were to utilize those cell placements on the chassis, they could be used for saddle packs and utilized to adjust weight distribution. although an 8 cell runner would be cool and all i need is the belts, chassis and wheels/tires ... looks as if everything else is sport 2 stuff.

[Marines]

wow...is this the first ever bigger than 1/10 electric onroad car??? i wouldnt mind driving that

[Possumbot]

schumacher made a 1/6 scale electric, i think it was called the big six lotus or something along those lines, im not sure if its still available. Theres a nitro verson too which i think did better than its electric sibling.

[TexRacer]

Guys Im sorry but due to the Inexperience of some it may make certain products look bad.I dont know who told you guys Shafts could handle top speeds better than belts or even acceleration for that matter.There have been POSTED experiences with Shaft cars and LOTS of cells and wallla the shafts twist,splinter or vibrate so hard other bad things happen.To say a Shaft is better than belt is SIMPLY not true.They both have their pro's and cons but speed is NOT one of them.
Plus.Brushless setups while nice are known to have limits on Cells UNLIKE some esc's and regular mod motor's usually having HIGHER speeds ANYWAY.Brushless is more effic and less maintance but not always faster.
This info is from someone with 13 yrs experience and testing and R&Ding cars for about 7 of that.
Just wanted to clear some things up before belts and Brushless info was misleading.
It's not the motor of the BL system that cant handle multiple cells but the esc.

[TXT Crazy]

Originally posted by Possumbot
schumacher made a 1/6 scale electric, i think it was called the big six lotus or something along those lines, im not sure if its still available. Theres a nitro verson too which i think did better than its electric sibling.

last time I checked they till made it. I will give you the WWW address if I can find it.

[Toyotatogo]

OH MAN OH MAN !!!!!!!! I GOTTA HAVE ONE OF THOES :D :D


OH MAN ! I'M SO EXCITED !! I WANNA DANCE IN MY UNDERWEAR.......LOL

[R/C_Newbie19]

Since i'm a track runner/racer i don't like the super-size since noone races them... But i can imagine how fun parking lot bashers they are! (but i like the super nitro better :D).

[jay272]

From the way HPI has treated their U.S. consumers in the past, I'm guessing we may not see this car in the states. They keep all the cool stuff in Asia. Ever seen a new Hara-edition pro 3, spec V pro 3, or the nitro SS chassis only (no engine)? It's available, if you're in Asia or europe.

[ianhobbies]

i think HPI should concentrate on kits that can compete on races which complies with ifmar,roar,femca and efra standards. i think u can only race this kind of car on "hpi cars only" races. no offense, but as a hobby shop owner and racer, i think they should stick to cars that u can race anywhere :)

[HaCo]

Hi,

I am also looking forward to the new chassis of HPI.

i think HPI should concentrate on kits that can compete on races which complies with ifmar,roar,femca and efra standards.

I don't think so, first of all look at the HPI micro, it think HPI has gain a lot of cash with that new type of chassis and I can assure u, it's fun to drive. I just wish that more constructors would follow the scale (there are 2 now: GM (with a copy) and WWS with a own made chassis, very nice but 2WD). Anyway, getting of the subject. Second, there is allready a class which drive 4WD electric Super cars... Kyosho! Look here:
http://www.kyosho.de/shop_image/product/94eab01eb5c9565331d9acd664542f9a.jpg

A few years ago I used to drive my electric 1/10th car between Super Ten GP Kyosho cars. When I saw these cars I allways like the scale. I don't know, bigger is nicer. But if u go too big, it is just unafortable for me :( But now HPI will give me a chance to drive a Super Car in EP (I'm not a GP fan) and with a Brushless system it should be a real Nitro killer :D

Oh yeah, tuned Super RS4, found this on the net:

http://www.rcworld.ch/data/_hpi_super_option.jpg

Awesome, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Greetz
HaCo

[fastharry]

Originally posted by ianhobbies
i think HPI should concentrate on kits that can compete on races which complies with ifmar,roar,femca and efra standards. i think u can only race this kind of car on "hpi cars only" races. no offense, but as a hobby shop owner and racer, i think they should stick to cars that u can race anywhere :)


Ian..up till they intro'd the r40,I screamed about this very p[oint for 4 years....(I'm probably half the reason they took down the HPI forum;) ).....now that they are making these cars(and they have put a whole hearted effort into it),I don't care that they make these off- beat cars....

this way they can get a balanced picture of what sells..When the super rs4 is selling 100 kits a month 6 months from now(and thats AFTER horizon discounts them)..AND the R40 is selling 5000,they'll get the idea..

[wanabedriver]

aw.......... :( why didnt they put in two motors? :(

anyway, i would bet that other companys will be coming out w/ their versions. when they come out (nudge nudge wink wink), there might be some w/ shafts (AND MAYBE MY TWIN MOTOR!!! YES!!!)

hmmm, if they do come out w/ dual motor.... there is no need for a belt or shaft... DO I SEE AN ONROAD CLOD?!?!?

[wanabedriver]

Originally posted by fastharry
Ian..up till they intro'd the r40,I screamed about this very p[oint for 4 years....(I'm probably half the reason they took down the HPI forum;) ).....now that they are making these cars(and they have put a whole hearted effort into it),I don't care that they make these off- beat cars....

this way they can get a balanced picture of what sells..When the super rs4 is selling 100 kits a month 6 months from now(and thats AFTER horizon discounts them)..AND the R40 is selling 5000,they'll get the idea..

R40? :confused: :confused: :confused: do you mean RS4?

[fastharry]

R 40...the new nitro pro car..

[wanabedriver]

Originally posted by fastharry
R 40...the new nitro pro car..

sorry, i just saw it. :)

[HaCo]

Here's a report of the Super RS4 from switzerland:
http://www.rcworld.ch/neueprojekte.asp?id=554

Enjoy it :cool:
HaCo

[wanabedriver]

hmmm, lets see... 6 cells (damn, no 8), three wires, must be BL. lets see... i can understand, HPI, Bigger is better, 235 mm, 280 mm, 300 mm, tuning, tracktest, extreme track test (?), Servo: KO Propo PDS2123, Regler (ESC or reciver?): LRP QC, Akku (battery): GP 3300 “Stangenware” (?), Motoren (motor): LRP HPI Challenge PRO 12T, SPORT 17T, MINI 23T, LRP Phase 4 12x2 (different motors), Karosserie (body): HPI Lamborghini Murcielago, Servo: KO Propo PDS2123, Regler (regulator or ESC): Novak Brushless [d'oh!], Akku (battery): Powers 3300 Robitronic Motor (hmmm, MOTOR?): Novak Brushless.

so what does it mean to me? first impression for switzerland racers is that bigger things are better. they dont like 8 cells, they like purple Lamborghinis, they also like minis, and regular RS4s, some aftermarket parts for RS4 are compatible w/ super or aftermarket parts already avalible, there may be a BL class, or they like speed too, and um... thats all i can make sence
:D :D :D

another thing. i can read switzerland language :p for beans, and i dont intend to. :D :D :D

[HaCo]

Hehe,

So the 'switzerland language' as u call it is also known as German :))
They tested a few configs, the standard Super RS4, and then the modded RS4. With normal motors and Brushless motors.


Greetz
HaCo

[spenzalii]

If the chasis can be modded to accept 12 cells (maybe 2 6 cell packs) I'm there. Of course, I need a suitable brushless in there, too but that would be absolutely killer

[HaCo]

If u can put 4 cels on a side, than u can also put 7 cels on a side, just put 3 up on the 4...

[tamiyadude]

must... own.... extra large.... touring car.... :cool:

[DualBL]

i really wish they made it w/ 2 motor mounts...

think bout it. stock class, with EVX and 2xtitan motors (dirt cheap)

that would have been a huge hit imho:rolleyes:

[Julsisere]

G'day guys,

got my Super RS4 Last week,

have fitted up my novak brushless, still trying to work out how the heck i'm ment to hold 7 cells in place, (other than sticky tape) but will get that sorted, have driven about 2 packs, Cause it's just been raining like crazy for the last 2 weeks here in Western Australia, have just received my Sport 2, 2 speed and heatsink motor plate, which I will hopefully fit up on the weekend and see how it goes (and if it fits??)

First impressions, the car is a little flexy, but this makes it great on the rough street, Grip is insane, so much grip, and the car is super easy to drive, I gave up my TC3 for this car, cause the TC3 would skip all over the place in the street, but this Super is awesome, the big bumps and humps, it just ignores. And even with all that traction, it's nearly impossible to flip it. (I havn't managed too yet)


anyway will let you know how I go, when it's all fitted will post some pictures.

Regards
Juls

juls@elamericano.com

[Julsisere]

Well I've run the car a bit more,

It's really awesome to drive, very smooth and easy to drive,
at least compared to my TC3, while the car is far more simpler, the size of it makes up for it's short falls.

the 2 Speed for the RS4, Definatly fits, Currently running a 26/96 31/85 arrangement, but It's very hard to tell that it's changing, since my Novak SS doesn't make any noise anyway, had a bit of trouble with blowing gears apart, but I just meshed them a little tighter and it's been ok, (was ripping second, when the car spun around and tried to go backwards)

the car seems to want to be geared with the SS around 8.5/1 or in that area, I think HPI's stock 34/81 gearing might be a bit out of reach for most people, unless you plan to run a Pro Stock, or a 23/1 (as reccomended) but then again, HPI have always been a bit out with their gearing ratio reccomendations (supplying standard 6.3/1 ratio gearing with a 2.2 inch wheeled car!)

the car is imple, and works well, I hope to get more running in soon when the rain calms down, and have already arranged my hopups list, and am currently pricing them up from various parts of the world.

if I can find somewhere in Japan to get them, they look the cheapest by $100's so far. (more than $200 aus cheaper than towerhobbies in US, thats standard Japanese Yen prices!)

still waiting on my quote from a few other countrys yet though.

regards
Juls

[Lord Radeon]

Take off the 2 speed. IT's 98% pointless in an electric vehicle because the motor has a flat torque curve. Just gear up or down

[junk4calata]

For those of you not familiar with google, here's the translated to english version http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rcworld.ch%2Fneueproj ekte.asp%3Fid%3D554&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

Also, for you speed freeks ( myself included ), after looking at the pics with more detail, I realized its possible to fit over 24 cells in that chassis.

It called a CUSTOM MADE W I D E UPPER DECK. If you want to keep all your batteries down low, than you can make a new lower deck as well and place all the electronics up on top.

[PCC]

It looks like the Super RS4 is coming to the USA after all. Porsche and Murcielago...

[old phart]

PCC: where did you find that info?

I inquired about getting one from AUS but the cost of the kit and shipping is hard to swallow. So I hope it does become available in the USA.

[GetMetalRC]

Tower hobbies indicates that both the Porsche and the Lamborghini super electrics will be available in early August.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFES5&P=7

[PCC]

Originally posted by old phart
PCC: where did you find that info? Shhhhhh! There's a secret website that HPI has that I read that on...

[old phart]

Originally posted by PCC
Shhhhhh! There's a secret website that HPI has that I read that on...

LOL! :D

[R3VoLuTiOn]

rofl...

i want one with 12 cell hacker brushless with ultra ultra overgearing :D:cool: :rolleyes: :p ;)

[tamiyadude]

I'll be ordering one the day Tower gets them in... I didn't check the Lambo yet but the Porche at Tower is $279 and I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I think they sell for like $150 US in Japan... Tower may have just put them in at the super nitro price. Alot of times Tower has newly listed products with an inflated price that drops the day they come into stock and have the correct figures. I really don't see the sence in it costing over $199 if that. Anyway.. I don't care if they are $400... I'm gettin one :)

[jives]

$150 would be awesome...the $270 is way over price. Tower does this alot it seems. Pay a premium to be the first on the block :)

[SteveK]

Well that's not exactly what Tower is doing: For whatever reason, the pre-sale price is always much higher (Micro RS4s were about $140-150 before they were in stock) but then they came way down once they arrived. You aren't charged that pre-sale price since it's not in yet.

My theory, and I could be wrong, is that they are doing it to cover their own butts, if they promise too low a pre-sale price and it ends up costing them more, they lcan't charge you more after you pre-ordered it. They might also do it to mess with other websites looking at them for a price base.

[old phart]

Another example: the new Traxxas boat was listed on Tower @ $409.99 when it was "pending order" but then it dropped to $309.99 when it became "on order".

[moddedsnrally]

270 bux? HOLY CRAP. THats more then i payed for my supernitro new!!!!! But it looks awesome :D

[SteveK]

Old phart-
Exactly. moddedsnrally must not have seen your post.

[tamiyadude]

Tower says "late July" on them now... maybe they'll be in this week. I'm pretty pumped... probably gonna order mine the day they come in... anyone else ready to order?

[GetMetalRC]

Both kits are now in stock at Tower, but the price has not fallen...$271.99 for either kit. This seems kind of high; the same price as the super nitro kits. Is anyone else going to buy now???

[tamiyadude]

Yeah I replied the same as you to this same thread in the HPI section of this board (they have the same thread in both forums.. getting kinda confusing). I'm like you.. the $271 is freekin ridiculous... I'm really disappointed because I was ready to order this week, but now I guess I'll wait and see what happens.. that has got to be a typo of some sort. Everyone sells the sport2 around $159 and I see know reason why this wouldn't be $175-$199 at the most. Especially when you do like you said and price it next to the nitro version for the same price and the nitro includes the engine.... it's just ridiculous.. that's the nicest word I can think of... Grrrrrrrrrrr! :rolleyes:

[808 nitro tc3]

looks pretty good but a lil simple

[old phart]

The price on the Super RS4 Electric has dropped to $199 at Tower Hobbies. I just ordered mine. :D

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LNFES4&P=G

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LNFES5&P=G

[RcLaB1]

anyone try this set up yet
with the New HV Brushless from Novak
(it was originally design for the E-Maxx)

share your experiences......

thanks


also, where the Vids for this SuperRS4 electric?????